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Who has the better legacy between Pacquiao and Duran?
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Originally posted by Instinto View PostNone of them even come close to borderline HOF seriously.
Originally posted by Instinto View PostAt that time LW division sucked, all those DeJesus, Ishimatsu, Lampkin, Bizzarro, Viruet, Robertson didn't win anything significant before facing Duran.
Many boxers you pointed like Marcel were green without experience and zero accomplishments. Just because Duran was KOing contenders impressively doesn't mean that he was beating elite fighters.
Originally posted by Instinto View PostKobayshi my ass doesn't make you ATG and that mediocre contender Jorge Castro beat him by a decision.
He beat Castro and that mediocre Castro. Was a prime Castro with wins over John David Jackson and Reggie Johnson.
Again think about he beat Ernesto Marcel at SFW in 1970 and then beat Jorge Castro at SMW in 1997....
When Pac has a good win against a prime top fighter 15 years from now...Then you can come talk to me...Until that day just STFU.
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Again, I don't think people have enough understanding to know how impressive to beat Ernesto Marcel(who was good fighter) at super featherweight in 1970(not a typo 130 in 1970) and then beat Jorge Castro(big strong tough fighter) at Super Middleweight in 1997(not a typo 168 in 1997).
That is a span of 27 of years where he beat 2 top good fighters that were 7 weight-classes apart man.
27 years 7 weight-classes apart this man beat top contenders damn good fighters.
And, between that time period he dominated and cleaned out a division, becoming easily a top 3 greatest LW of all time. Top 3, arguably the goat at 145. Arguably the GOAT at 135. I have him #1 at 135...The only 2 who have a case is B. Loenard and Gans to be ranked ahead of Duran at 135.
Then had success at WW and at MW.
And, this man started his career at the age of 16 or 17 around the bantamweight limit.
Just think about that for a second to realize how crazy that is.
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Originally posted by LarryX2011 View Posthe would ko alot of people in 2 rounds..
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I am a guy that knows Duran is overrated at times an the same goes for Pacquiao. What we cant forget is that Pac got to where he is through trial by fire too. In the lower weight classes their aint many that could have with stood the greats that he conquered let alone win most of the fights. If he had stayed in the lower weights he would have been a hall of famer. He decided to try to bite a bigger piece and that gamble worked. Another aspect to look at is the fact that Duran has a losing record vs the other HoFers of his era and Pac is a competitive loss and a draw from being undefeated against his generation of Hof Famers.
I keep hearing people say "well Duran fought for thirty years".So what? If those latter years werent years of him at the top of his game then its no more impressive than RJJ or Toney holding on.
To make a long story its really a subject worth debate and not out of the question for Manny to get some votes. I know it seems like I hate Duran at times but its not the case. I just see him as a human and not a boxing God.
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