Does anybody believe that Jack Johnson....

[Kid McCoy]

Yes, he was guilty. Johnson regularly consorted with prostitutes, traveled across state lines with prostitutes, pimped them out of his Chicago restaurant, loaned one the money to set up her own whorehouse and married at least one of them. He was exactly the kind of person the Mann Act was targeting.

[T.Horton]

Yes, he was guilty. Johnson regularly consorted with prostitutes, traveled across state lines with prostitutes, pimped them out of his Chicago restaurant, loaned one the money to set up her own whorehouse and married at least one of them. He was exactly the kind of person the Mann Act was targeting.

^^^ none of this stuff was actually illegal though, aside from the pimping. and there is no proof that he was a pimp in all that i have read.

[Canelo Phresh]

^^^ none of this stuff was actually illegal though, aside from the pimping. and there is no proof that he was a pimp in all that i have read.

watched unforgivable blackness on netflix they never said hewas a pimp but he ran ran establishments that had prostitution.

[Kid McCoy]

^^^ none of this stuff was actually illegal though, aside from the pimping. and there is no proof that he was a pimp in all that i have read.

Johnson's restaurant in Chicago doubled up as a whorehouse. What with that and all his other behaviour, he was a pimp by most definitions. If there's a law designed to stop the interstate trafficking of women for immoral purposes and you have a man who's traveling around the country with prostitutes, and also owns and operates a whorehouse, then he's guilty of violating the Mann Act. You can argue about whether such a law was justified in the first place, but by the letter of that law, he was guilty.

[T.Horton]

Johnson's restaurant in Chicago doubled up as a whorehouse. If there's a law designed to stop the interstate trafficking of women for immoral purposes and you have a man who's traveling around the country with prostitutes, and also owns and operates a whorehouse, then he's guilty of violating the Mann Act. You can argue about whether such a law was justified in the first place, but by the letter of that law, he was guilty.

The Champion's cafe was not a whorehouse. Not from my understanding anyway....

[Canelo Phresh]

Johnson's restaurant in Chicago doubled up as a whorehouse. What with that and all his other behaviour, he was a pimp by most definitions. If there's a law designed to stop the interstate trafficking of women for immoral purposes and you have a man who's traveling around the country with prostitutes, and also owns and operates a whorehouse, then he's guilty of violating the Mann Act. You can argue about whether such a law was justified in the first place, but by the letter of that law, he was guilty.

i think that they just want the loud mouth black champ gone

[T.Horton]

watched unforgivable blackness on netflix they never said hewas a pimp but he ran ran establishments that had prostitution.

I thought it was more that he allowed prostitutes in - it's not really Johnson's fault if hookers are plying their trade. I kind of think Johnson cared just about the money that these types of women would generate. I do not believe that these women were paying him to use the establishment for prostitution - if they were Johnson would have been a pimp.

If you get the chance read Randy Roberts book as well. Papa Jack.

[T.Horton]

Johnson's restaurant in Chicago doubled up as a whorehouse. What with that and all his other behaviour, he was a pimp by most definitions. If there's a law designed to stop the interstate trafficking of women for immoral purposes and you have a man who's traveling around the country with prostitutes, and also owns and operates a whorehouse, then he's guilty of violating the Mann Act. You can argue about whether such a law was justified in the first place, but by the letter of that law, he was guilty.

and from all of the accounts i have seen or read, we was not profiting directly from prostitution (as the Act states that you have to) and thus could not have been a pimp. The Roberts' book went into The Mann Act pretty extensively.

[Kid McCoy]

The Champion's cafe was not a whorehouse. Not from my understanding anyway....

It was. The second floor was a whorehouse. If he was running prostitutes out of his own establishment, I don't really see how he wasn't profiting from it. And you didn't have to profit financially in order to be violate the act, it just concerns the transportation of women for "immoral purposes". The first two men charged under the act had done nothing more than take their girlfriends away for a holiday.

i think that they just want the loud mouth black champ gone

I'm sure they did, but Johnson's behaviour made it a lot easier for them.

[T.Horton]

It was. The second floor was a whorehouse. If he was running prostitutes out of his own establishment, I don't really see how he wasn't profiting from it. And you didn't have to profit financially in order to be violate the act, it just concerns the transportation of women for "immoral purposes". The first two men charged under the act had done nothing more than take their girlfriends away for a holiday.



I'm sure they did, but Johnson's behaviour made it a lot easier for them.

am going to try and find some quotes - the original reason was to stop interstate trafficking of prostitutes, namely those brought into the country, just traveling with hookers isn't the same.

Johnson having a motel upstairs is not the same as being a pimp or madam.