Originally posted by AlwaysOnTop
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Were the past greats really that great!?
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This is a topic in which there will not a specific point on who's right.
We are talking about Technology, 12 rounds, diets, ect.
Go back in time and tell me how this generation would do against the past one.
Or Bring the old school into this generation and tell me how would they do with so many different types of boxing instead of dealing with a fight foward mentality only.
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Originally posted by hearnsfan86 View PostI think were steering off the topic here. Im not talking about diets and fitness training, as im pretty sure the older fighters were freaks of nature when it came to fitness. Im talking about the sweet science, head movement, defense, ring generalship e.t.c......
Basically how boxing technique has evolved, not fitness methods
I'd like a breakdown of the difference between Mayweather and Robinson respectively. Should be easy since it's apparently so drastic and someone as evolved as Mayweather must use all of the new training methods and diets.
As for ring generalship an defense, I don't see how that's really a drastic improvment.
Locche is more naturally gifted than about 90% of the fighters of the last decade.
The list goes on an on.
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Originally posted by AlwaysOnTop View PostNot having a strength and conditioning coach would be the least of Pac's problems.
What modern boxing equipment....?????????????????????
Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey had....
Speed bags
Heavy bags
Double-end bags
They hit the mitts
They sparred
They swam
They chopped wood
They swung sledge hammers
Medicine balls
free weights
Jump rope
weight machines and devices of every type and description..
ect ect ect..
And they ate PURE food and CLEAN water free of lead...mercury..strontium 90..aluminum. ect ect....they didn't have radio-active isotopes embedded in their DNA.
ALL fighters from the past had a STRICT DIET and training regiment..
The only thing they didn't have is video tape,air-conditioned gyms...and PLENTY places to eat ALL THE TIME.
You muthafu.cka's have to stop repeating dumb shi.t your heard from some loser that doesn't have a clue..
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostCan someone explain and breakdown the drastic differences in diet and training regimes between Floyd Mayweather Jr and Sugar Ray Robinson.
What does Mayweather, possibly the most gifted fighter of the last few decades, do differently that makes him so much more modern and evolved than Robinson?
Chin ups? Jump rope? Heavybag? Pads?
What about diet? What's in Mayweather's diet that makes him so much more evolved than Robinson?
Meat? Vegetables?
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Originally posted by hearnsfan86 View PostAgain, your thinking too much in the present. 15 round fights are all well and good. Jack johnson used to fight 40 round fights!!! he stopped jess willard in the 26th round ( i think it was the 26th )
I am from a boxing family..
Training and diet have REGRESSED not advanced..
Boxing isn't like football or basketball...these guys today are GOING BACKWARDS..
My Grandad and the guys before him have forgotten more about boxing...training...and diet..than fighters today could ever learn.
You are only repeating what some Skip Bayless or Micheal Wilbon type pulled out of his as.s
Today's fighters don't even have the stanima to employ the gruelling 'bob n' weave' style..
hmmm
WHERE ARE THE BOB AND WEAVERS...?????
Defense is the hardest thing to learn about boxing..it takes a level of commitment and HEART most fighters today lack...
Today
Defense is all but a lost art.Last edited by AlwaysOnTop; 12-16-2011, 06:53 PM.
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Originally posted by NAPO View PostThis is a topic in which there will not a specific point on who's right.
We are talking about Technology, 12 rounds, diets, ect.
Go back in time and tell me how this generation would do against the past one.
Or Bring the old school into this generation and tell me how would they do with so many different types of boxing instead of dealing with a fight foward mentality only.
It sounds like fighters arms are being surgically removed with steel arms that can punch through walls or something. Man you guys are making these new fighters sound like they're part of some science fiction movie. Styles make fights, you put a guy like Margarito in with a Sugar Ray Robinson, all the science in the world won't help Margarito win that fight.
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Originally posted by -Kev- View PostWhat technology are you talking about though?
It sounds like fighters arms are being surgically removed with steel arms that can punch through walls or something. Man you guys are making these new fighters sound like they're part of some science fiction movie. Styles make fights, you put a guy like Margarito in with a Sugar Ray Robinson, all the science in the world won't help Margarito win that fight.
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