Can you make a legitimate claim that Jay-Z is the GOAT?

[Truth]

from an overall perspective, hov is the best for ME

but i respect everyones opinions, and dont feel mine is a fact. lol i'm not an opinion nazi.

i will say, it baffles me when people say that the argument cant be made though. Jay has done alot, for a long time. I'll leave it at that cuz i'm too lazy to explain everything.

[Truth]

this is kind of a tough forum for jay to do good in poll wise. most posters here dont like him

[Truth]

I don't see how Cool J could be considered a contender for the GOAT but not Jay-Z..

people just dont like jay-z it seems. lol

[Paragon]

Things going for Jay:

He's gone platinum more consistently than any other rapper

No rapper's ever been able to bridge the gap between street and mainstream as easily as he can

Things against him:

Skill-wise he really isn't the best at anything, Rakim, Nas, Biggie can do everything better than he can.

Mainstream-wise, yeah, he probably is the GOAT, but in terms of an actual body of work, no dice

[MetalVomit]

I don't see how Cool J could be considered a contender for the GOAT but not Jay-Z..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkn4yLs700E



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG9MBXHBtE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHhfF7Ijguw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0vp64BAtQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmaXc1cryMw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnaddB4dceE

[MetalVomit]

people just dont like jay-z it seems. lol

I'm a fan, I just think there are greater artists than him. I base GOAT status on mainly 2 things: 1.lyrical ability & 2. Body of work. Jay has a great body of work, but falls far too short lyrically (aside from being really good at claiming to be great so frequently that people start believing it) to be considered greater than the likes of Nas, Rakim, Scarface, LL Cool J and the like, add KRS-ONE, Masta Ace, Q-Tip........

[Kobe Bryant]

Yeah you can make the argument he has done a lot world wide and has had success in other business ventures as well. Plus he has the skill and body of work to show.

I don't consider him GOAT but I wouldn't really trip if someone had him as GOAT.

[Truth]

Things going for Jay:

He's gone platinum more consistently than any other rapper

No rapper's ever been able to bridge the gap between street and mainstream as easily as he can

Things against him:

Skill-wise he really isn't the best at anything, Rakim, Nas, Biggie can do everything better than he can.

Mainstream-wise, yeah, he probably is the GOAT, but in terms of an actual body of work, no dice

lmao. in terms of actual body of work? Jay got albums for days, classic verses for days....jay got like 11 albums. and all of them hot

[Truth]

Yeah you can make the argument he has done a lot world wide and has had success in other business ventures as well. Plus he has the skill and body of work to show.

I don't consider him GOAT but I wouldn't really trip if someone had him as GOAT.

thats the best post of the thread.

[Truth]

I'm a fan, I just think there are greater artists than him. I base GOAT status on mainly 2 things: 1.lyrical ability & 2. Body of work. Jay has a great body of work, but falls far too short lyrically (aside from being really good at claiming to be great so frequently that people start believing it) to be considered greater than the likes of Nas, Rakim, Scarface, LL Cool J and the like, add KRS-ONE, Masta Ace, Q-Tip........

well he is great, no question there, whether hes the g.o.a.t. is what your disagreeing with, right?

as long as your willing to admit he has a great body of work.....thats my main thing that bothers me, when people act like jay doesnt have songs for days.