Joe Louis vs both Klitschkos

[Mr. Invincible]

Good post, and you're spot on

You are referred to post #29 as well.

[Mr. Invincible]

here's my sophisticated argument

part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ovh8...eature=related

And part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FecLhLS8ibI


Carnea is actually quicker than Vitali (Vitali is probably tougher and stronger) Louis greater than Byrd in very department.

Lol at comparing Vitali to Carnera. What a joke. Byrd was very good defensively but need I remind you that he was getting beaten easily as well.

[The Big Dunn]

was getting beaten

But he didn't get beat. You don't win a 12 rd fight when you are up on the scorecards and quit.

[Superflo777]

was getting beaten

But he didn't get beat. You don't win a 12 rd fight when you are up on the scorecards and quit.

Nobody said that. But the fight doesn't prove Joe Louis would win only because he was the same size as Byrd and Byrd got the W. Getting outpunched, outlanded and losing 7 of 9 rounds and then getting the W because the other guy injures his shoulder and quits isn't really a remarkable achievement. Actually it's not much of an achievement at all.

[Spartacus Sully]

the only way either of them are beating him if its vs both at the same time.

[Spartacus Sully]

Lol, cute but the difference was that Byrd didn't come into the fight hoping to destroy Vitali's shoulder after getting nearly shut out. Ali was in the fight with Liston and Sonny doesn't seem to get grief for quitting on his stool like Vitali does. Of course Vitali is white and from a European country, go figure.

people might give him **** for quitting on the stool, but that dosnt negate that he lost to byrd.

[Joeyzagz]

My evidence is Louis getting knocked out badly by a guy that was way, way smaller than Vitali with half the skills. .

Your making a blind size arguments with 0 substance. Here are the FACTS concerning these 2 particular fighters:

Fact 1. Joe Louis defeated every tall 250 lb + fighter he faced BY devastating Knockout.

Fact 2. Vitali lost and surrendered to the smallest guy he ever faced(Byrd) and failed to floor the second smallest (5'11 Vaughn Bean.)



Max Schmeling was a trailblazer. Max figured out how to stop a man that no one else could throughout the 1930's and 1940's. He was the singular guy in those 59 bouts to defeat the legendary Joe Louis.

Vitali has achieved nothing of the sort. He had at least 2 different blueprints for beating old fat Lennox and still failed.

[Mr. Invincible]

Nobody said that. But the fight doesn't prove Joe Louis would win only because he was the same size as Byrd and Byrd got the W. Getting outpunched, outlanded and losing 7 of 9 rounds and then getting the W because the other guy injures his shoulder and quits isn't really a remarkable achievement. Actually it's not much of an achievement at all.

^^^ this ^^^ exactly this.

[Scott9945]

Lol, cute but the difference was that Byrd didn't come into the fight hoping to destroy Vitali's shoulder after getting nearly shut out. Ali was in the fight with Liston and Sonny doesn't seem to get grief for quitting on his stool like Vitali does. Of course Vitali is white and from a European country, go figure.

As is usually the case, history has been kind to Liston. After the first Clay/Ali fight, it was considered outrageous for the heavyweight champion to quit in his corner. There were more than a few complaints of "fix". Of course after the outrageous ending to the rematch, everyone soon forgot about the Miami fight when it came to scorning Liston.

But they were also different circumstances. Vitali could have coasted to a points win. Sonny took a beating. Vitali had surgery and was out for awhile. Most figured that Liston just didn't have any answers and just did a slightly more graceful exit than Duran did against Leonard in 1980.

[kendom]

here's my sophisticated argument

part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ovh8...eature=related

And part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FecLhLS8ibI


Carnea is actually quicker than Vitali (Vitali is probably tougher and stronger) Louis greater than Byrd in very department.

I highly doubt this I would say that Vitali is a better boxer, but not tougher and stronger. Carnera was a former circus strongman who lifted rear ends of two cars to prevent them from driving, and went ten rounds with Baer on a broken ankle. Carnera was tough