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I'll put it this way...
Does anyone here think Pacquiao or Mayweather would be able to do what they've done (Pacquiao 20+ wins, 1 loss, 1 draw, from 122 and Mayweather undefeated from 130), if this were any where from the 1970s to 1980s?
The David Diaz' and Carlos Baldomir's of the world wouldn't have titles mind you (there were only 2).
Would Pacquiao have gotten the lineal titles at 126, 130, and 140? It would be different depending on when in the 70s or 80s, but he would've had to beat a combination of Aaron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Salvador Sanchez, Azumah Nelson, Wilfredo Gomez, JCC, Danny Lopez, Eusebio Pedroza, Jeff Fenech, Samuel Serrano, Ben Villaflor, Antonio Cervantes, Niccolino Loche, Wilfredo Benitez?
Would Mayweather have gotten lineal titles at 135 and 147, and be undefeated facing a combination of Roberto Duran, SRL, Hearns, Arguello, Ken Buchannan, JCC, Pernell Whitaker, Jose Napoles, Carlos Palomino, Donald Curry?
Pacquiao and Mayweather would be elite in any era, but they wouldn't be doing what they're doing if it was in those eras.
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No, the P4P rankings might be more like this:
- "Sugar" Ray Leonard: Better than anyone else on this list by a long-shot; even better than Hearns.
- Thomas Hearns: He would destroy Floyd and Manny, and probably win a U.D. against Cotto.
- Floyd Mayweather, Jr.: He would outskill and be able to stay away from Cotto and out-box Manny, but he would be destroyed by Hearns and Leonard.
- Miguel Cotto: My surprise inclusion. The fact of the matter is, Miguel Cotto vs. Antonio Margarito may not have happened because Margarito might have gunned for the higher-ranked fighters like Hearns and Leonard. And, if plaster-packed Margarito hadn't brutalized him, Cotto would be ranked here in my opinion.
- Manny Pacquiao: The obvious inclusion, but his rank comes not from his fighting ability but his ability to maintain effectiveness while scaling the weight classes.
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Originally posted by GameGod View PostNo, the P4P rankings might be more like this:
- "Sugar" Ray Leonard: Better than anyone else on this list by a long-shot; even better than Hearns.
- Thomas Hearns: He would destroy Floyd and Manny, and probably win a U.D. against Cotto.
- Floyd Mayweather, Jr.: He would outskill and be able to stay away from Cotto and out-box Manny, but he would be destroyed by Hearns and Leonard.
- Miguel Cotto: My surprise inclusion. The fact of the matter is, Miguel Cotto vs. Antonio Margarito may not have happened because Margarito might have gunned for the higher-ranked fighters like Hearns and Leonard. And, if plaster-packed Margarito hadn't brutalized him, Cotto would be ranked here in my opinion.
- Manny Pacquiao: The obvious inclusion, but his rank comes not from his fighting ability but his ability to maintain effectiveness while scaling the weight classes.
Your gonna place the guy that got his ass beat above the fighter that beat his ass?
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Originally posted by QUELOQUE View PostI'll put it this way...
Does anyone here think Pacquiao or Mayweather would be able to do what they've done (Pacquiao 20+ wins, 1 loss, 1 draw, from 122 and Mayweather undefeated from 130), if this were any where from the 1970s to 1980s?
The David Diaz' and Carlos Baldomir's of the world wouldn't have titles mind you (there were only 2).
Would Pacquiao have gotten the lineal titles at 126, 130, and 140? It would be different depending on when in the 70s or 80s, but he would've had to beat a combination of Aaron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Salvador Sanchez, Azumah Nelson, Wilfredo Gomez, JCC, Danny Lopez, Eusebio Pedroza, Jeff Fenech, Samuel Serrano, Ben Villaflor, Antonio Cervantes, Niccolino Loche, Wilfredo Benitez?
Would Mayweather have gotten lineal titles at 135 and 147, and be undefeated facing a combination of Roberto Duran, SRL, Hearns, Arguello, Ken Buchannan, JCC, Pernell Whitaker, Jose Napoles, Carlos Palomino, Donald Curry?
Pacquiao and Mayweather would be elite in any era, but they wouldn't be doing what they're doing if it was in those eras.
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