One of the Best U.S. Presidents of All times, if not the best

[Canelo Phresh]

if an alien from outerspace came to USA and watched us to get a better understanding of capitalism, he would leave with the following definition

Capitalism: the act of feeding on the stupidity of the public to sell them things they dont need for the SOLE purpose of makeing the seller rich.

it is a definition like this that turned Marx to communisim.

sullys from outer space?

[One_Tycoon]

not confused, just pointing out the cause of our mutated capitalism, big buisness.

No. It's not big business, it's Government.

You can't blame businesses for taking advantage of what the Government system is handing out. You have to blame the root cause, which is Government itself.

Take away it's power to pass legislation or regulation that favors certain businesses (while hurting the smaller ones), that lobby it's members in Washington. Don't blame the business.

It's the Government that has the power, not the business.

[Spartacus Sully]

Your entire posts are apples and oranges. Out of the blue pops up a guy names Spartacus, to rail against Capitalism.

I missed you in my previous that were more orientated towards the topic.

in this thread your backign a great president, in the previous thread you were acting like a capatalist.

if you want to actlike your self, thats fine.

if you want to back a president that would be disgusted with your train of thought and how "marxist" capitalisim has become then we have disguised interests and underhanded actions, like your heros.

thus i find here a better place to rail against evil.

[Spartacus Sully]

No. It's not big business, it's Government.

You can't blame businesses for taking advantage of what the Government system is handing out. You have to blame the root cause, which is Government itself.

Take away it's power to pass legislation or regulation that favors certain businesses (while hurting the smaller ones), that lobby it's members in Washington. Don't blame the business.

It's the Government that has the power, not the business.

so we cant blame buisness for the millon dollar donations to local elections and multimillion dollar donations to national elections?

we cant blame them for lobbying to allow them to make unlimited donations?

we cant blame them for the bail out that america protested against and had turned down....but magically still passed?

we cant blame them for the figure head puppet called bush?

we cant blame them for sopa and that other one?

there is alot that big buisness has done to destroty our right to life libety and the persuit of happiness.



what you need to do is check out the gilded age, history repeates itself and Coxeys army will return to DC.

[Spartacus Sully]

sullys from outer space?

there is no life out side of earth, just go back to your daily life and forget you read anything here.

[Canelo Phresh]

there is no life out side of earth, just go back to your daily life and forget you read anything here.

you must be omnipotent to know the opinions of space traveling species. i just think its very presumptuous of you to assume you would know the opinion of those smarter than us.

[Unknown Champ]

Big Bill Clinton, reduced national deficit

[Spartacus Sully]

you must be omnipotent to know the opinions of space traveling species. i just think its very presumptuous of you to assume you would know the opinion of those smarter than us.

thats pretty presumptuous.

[One_Tycoon]

so we cant blame buisness for the millon dollar donations to local elections and multimillion dollar donations to national elections?

we cant blame them for lobbying to allow them to make unlimited donations?

we cant blame them for the bail out that america protested against and had turned down....but magically still passed?

we cant blame them for the figure head puppet called bush?

we cant blame them for sopa and that other one?

there is alot that big buisness has done to destroty our right to life libety and the persuit of happiness.

I don't except your premise. No, you don't blame the participants, you blame the source. The Government.

If the Government didn't have the power to bail out institutions in the first place, none of the participants (Businesses) would be at their front door, looking for a handout or bailout.

Why don't you read the initial post about Grover Cleveland. The Congress tried passing a 10,000 dollar bill to help out farmers (I guess they had influence over certain members) and he vetoed that spending bill on grounds that it was unconstitutional.

Now passing a 700 billion Stimulus or Bailout bill is the norm because the Government has been already expended, and the guys arguing against it are the ones considered the Extreme Right-Wing nutjobs, when at one point they were considered the normal ones.












I accept the problems that you described, but I don't accept your solution, which is to dismantle a Free Market Based Economy, and have the Government somehow be the Executor of a perfect, corrupt free, Communistic Utopia.

[One_Tycoon]

Big Bill Clinton, reduced national deficit

Yes he did. He was fortunate enough that the Dot-Com boom was brewing during his time, therefore there were more jobs and as therefore more total Tax revenue as a result of lower unemployment. Now the Liberals want to brainwash the masses and say that the Tax increases on the rich during Clinton were the sole reason for the balancing of the budget, to justify their Tax hikes, which is not true.

And he was also fortunate that the Republican Congress had pushed him on Welfare reform and other things, which he kept resisting at first but gave in eventually, or else there would have been no Surplus.

But as a total of the National Debt, it went up even under Clinton. Lets keep that in mind.

Deficit is just a yearly thing. The Total Debt is the overall spending, which grew under Clinton. Both parties are to blame.