Who do you rank higher on the ATG list, Couture or Dan Henderson ?

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Besides Nogueira which was an excellent A+ level win all of Henderson's name wins (Fedor, Shogun and Wandy) were coming off big KO losses.

Randy beat absolute prime Tito and Chuck, 2 A+ wins. He also has better peripheral wins like Kohsaka Rizzo Randleman all of them in their absolute primes. Randy has much worse losses and thats why its close but IMO great wins>bad losses

lol wtf? you're twisting facts big time to make your point.

Fedor came off a "TKO" loss by a 285 pound mamoth Big Foot silva. and besides, Fedor is a hw while Hendo is a MW.

Shogun was coming off a big ko WIN against Forrest. He was probably in the best shape of his life.

Wandy was coming off a KO loss to Cro Cop who was one of the best HW's in the world at that time while Wand was fighting at LHW.

So you can't discredit those wins and then name Kohsaka, Rizzo and Randleman as legit wins for Couture. Thats just ridiculous.

And you're forgetting Hendo beat prime Vitor twice, beat Franklin and strikeforce champ Cavalcante. all legit wins.

some other good wins to note: Prime Sobral, Nakamura, Newton, Yvel, Renzo, Palhares.

If you consider that hendo started his career at 170, his career wins are just that much more impressive.

Couture's biggest wins are Ortiz, Liddell and Sylvia. lol. thats it. 90% of Couture = UFC hype train.

Couture fought better fighters and beat some of them in their prime. Henderson seems to have gotten better with age..

then why did you vote for Hendo?

[Japanese Boxing]

Couture fought better fighters and beat some of them in their prime. Henderson seems to have gotten better with age..

Couture lost to Valtentijm Overeem via armbar. Randy has some good wins here and there. But he also has some pretty big losses against people that shouldn't even have had a chance to win.

Hendo has fought the whos who of his weight class and above since the beginning of his time. He has like 4 guys on his resume that weren't relevant at the time he fought them.

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lol wtf? you're twisting facts big time to make your point.

Fedor came off a "TKO" loss by a 285 pound mamoth Big Foot silva. and besides, Fedor is a hw while Hendo is a MW.

Shogun was coming off a big ko WIN against Forrest. He was probably in the best shape of his life.

Wandy was coming off a KO loss to Cro Cop who was one of the best HW's in the world at that time while Wand was fighting at LHW.

So you can't discredit those wins and then name Kohsaka, Rizzo and Randleman as legit wins for Couture. Thats just ridiculous.

And you're forgetting Hendo beat prime Vitor twice, beat Franklin and strikeforce champ Cavalcante. all legit wins.

some other good wins to note: Prime Sobral, Nakamura, Newton, Yvel, Renzo, Palhares.

If you consider that hendo started his career at 170, his career wins are just that much more impressive.

Couture's biggest wins are Ortiz, Liddell and Sylvia. lol. thats it. 90% of Couture = UFC hype train.

Fedor, Shogun and Wandy were all past their prime, none of them will ever sniff a championship again. Not sure why you are bringing up Vitor it hurts your argument. Vitor lost 3x in between Randy beating him and him fighting Hendo. If anybody beat a prime Vitor it was Randy. Kohsaka, Rizzo and Randleman were better wins than Franklin, Palhares, Babalu etc and probable better than the 3 big names coming off KOs as well.

Like I said their is nothing wrong with having Hendo over Randy because of Randy's bad losses but its obvious Randy has much better wins.

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Fedor, Shogun and Wandy were all past their prime, none of them will ever sniff a championship again. Not sure why you are bringing up Vitor it hurts your argument. Vitor lost 3x in between Randy beating him and him fighting Hendo. If anybody beat a prime Vitor it was Randy. Kohsaka, Rizzo and Randleman were better wins than Franklin, Palhares, Babalu etc and probable better than the 3 big names coming off KOs as well.

Like I said their is nothing wrong with having Hendo over Randy because of Randy's bad losses but its obvious Randy has much better wins.

omg man. I don't know what to say to something like that.

you clearly don't know anything about mma.

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Hahaha are you kidding me? Were talking about a natural middleweight that beat the greatest heavyweight ever by brutal ko and the only man besides chael who won a round over prime Anderson. shogun is at the tail end of his prime still. Not to mention hes beat big big 2ND best heavyweight ever who chuck and tito don't have **** on

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omg man. I don't know what to say to something like that.

you clearly don't know anything about mma.

Not really sure how you can justify B-/C+ level fighters Franklin Babalu Palhares or fresh off KOs past prime Wandy and Fedor being better wins than prime Randleman Rizzo or Kohsaka. Maybe you could say despite having been recently KO'd, Shogun still put on a great performance that was at least close to what he could do in his prime.

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lol wtf? you're twisting facts big time to make your point.

Fedor came off a "TKO" loss by a 285 pound mamoth Big Foot silva. and besides, Fedor is a hw while Hendo is a MW.

Shogun was coming off a big ko WIN against Forrest. He was probably in the best shape of his life.

Wandy was coming off a KO loss to Cro Cop who was one of the best HW's in the world at that time while Wand was fighting at LHW.

So you can't discredit those wins and then name Kohsaka, Rizzo and Randleman as legit wins for Couture. Thats just ridiculous.

And you're forgetting Hendo beat prime Vitor twice, beat Franklin and strikeforce champ Cavalcante. all legit wins.

some other good wins to note: Prime Sobral, Nakamura, Newton, Yvel, Renzo, Palhares.

If you consider that hendo started his career at 170, his career wins are just that much more impressive.

Couture's biggest wins are Ortiz, Liddell and Sylvia. lol. thats it. 90% of Couture = UFC hype train.



then why did you vote for Hendo?

well the guy has a point, wandy got his head imploded by cro cop and shogun is pretty much at the end of the road wouldnt be surprised if thiago koed him
also the fedor win is really overrated, it wasnt even an upset, the odds were even by fight night, thats how bad fedor had deteriorated and the gamblers knew it

still hendo is a great fighter and his resume is better but i dont expect much from him against jones, i think its gonna look like the fight vs rampage untill hendo gasses and gets tkoed