If Floyd hadn't ducked Paul Williams, what would have been the result?

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WHoever picked Williams is a troll or idiot. No way Williams sloppy punching non existence defense having ass would have stood a chance. Bum ass Quintana and Lara schooled him as well

The Floyd hate here is mind bottling. Can we have a discussion without biased for once.. Floyd would have a field day countering williams.
Who cares about height, PAUL never used his height. He has no plan B, that won't work vs Floyd. Vegas would have Floyd at -700 vs Williams

And if people had to pick the winners and their lives depended on it, 99% you fuccboys would pick Floyd so stop bull****ttting

And this is why people hate Flowmos. All you did was read the pro Floyd responses, and are piggy backing off that. You bring nothing to a discussion, and just call people trolls for not worshipping your god Floyd.

GTFOH.

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Work rate don't win fights. Lara has an extremely low workrate and he was ripping Paul with what ever he wanted.

The only argument people are bringing up in favor of P Dub is size, workrate and chin. That's a pretty basic arsenal for a world class professional fighter and is not enough to beat ATG caliber fighters such as Mayweather and Pacquiao.

Go tell guys like Sergio, Winky and Margarito that. Williams gave Martinez a tough time but Martinez had the pop to retaliate. Floyd lacks in that department.

Lara had 2 things going for him. Lefties gave Williams some trouble and Lara fought Williams after that devastating KO. Lara fought more aggressive against Williams who didn't appear to be the same as before the Martinez KO.

Floyd would not be able to shutout Williams who is a lefty with size if he would use his shoulder roll. Meaning he can "see" and "hit" Floyd with both hands. Williams would be able to go from one end of the ring to another in one stride and connect on his opponents.

Williams was not your usual basic arsenal. Someone like him doesn't come everyday. His only downfall was his defense BUT that downfall never slowed him down. So unless you had the power to KO Williams, he would come at you all night long for the full 12 rounds.

Floyd never faced anyone like Williams and never wanted to fight Williams even though Williams called him out plenty of times. Just like Martinez and Manny. So unfortunately, we will never see that fight.

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Go tell guys like Sergio, Winky and Margarito that. Williams gave Martinez a tough time but Martinez had the pop to retaliate. Floyd lacks in that department.

Lara had 2 things going for him. Lefties gave Williams some trouble and Lara fought Williams after that devastating KO. Lara fought more aggressive against Williams who didn't appear to be the same as before the Martinez KO.

Floyd would not be able to shutout Williams who is a lefty with size if he would use his shoulder roll. Meaning he can "see" and "hit" Floyd with both hands. Williams would be able to go from one end of the ring to another in one stride and connect on his opponents.

Williams was not your usual basic arsenal. Someone like him doesn't come everyday. His only downfall was his defense BUT that downfall never slowed him down. So unless you had the power to KO Williams, he would come at you all night long for the full 12 rounds.

Floyd never faced anyone like Williams and never wanted to fight Williams even though Williams called him out plenty of times. Just like Martinez and Manny. So unfortunately, we will never see that fight.

The pro Williams clan has been shouting this from the rooftops, but they'll just respond with, "Quintana out boxed P-Will, so Floyd does as well, but 100x more effectively!"

Never ending cycle.

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Go tell guys like Sergio, Winky and Margarito that. Williams gave Martinez a tough time but Martinez had the pop to retaliate. Floyd lacks in that department.

Lara had 2 things going for him. Lefties gave Williams some trouble and Lara fought Williams after that devastating KO. Lara fought more aggressive against Williams who didn't appear to be the same as before the Martinez KO.

Floyd would not be able to shutout Williams who is a lefty with size if he would use his shoulder roll. Meaning he can "see" and "hit" Floyd with both hands. Williams would be able to go from one end of the ring to another in one stride and connect on his opponents.

Williams was not your usual basic arsenal. Someone like him doesn't come everyday. His only downfall was his defense BUT that downfall never slowed him down. So unless you had the power to KO Williams, he would come at you all night long for the full 12 rounds.

Floyd never faced anyone like Williams and never wanted to fight Williams even though Williams called him out plenty of times. Just like Martinez and Manny. So unfortunately, we will never see that fight.

Yes I know winky was past it when he fought williams bus his defense heavily relied on his high guard protecting both his face and the body. Williams could hit him at will because of those lanky arms and the angle they were coming from allowed him get inside where most fighters could not. To beat williams floyd would have to pull what leonard did to hearns and turn from a boxer into a puncher for this fight.

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he also got outboxed by quintanna.... any fighter quintanna can outbox... i'll bet the farm floyd can out box em.

The pro Williams clan has been shouting this from the rooftops, but they'll just respond with, "Quintana out boxed P-Will, so Floyd does as well, but 100x more effectively!"

Never ending cycle.

You are right ... here is another guy who just points out the first fight with Quintana without giving Williams credit for adjusting and KOing Quintana in 1 the next fight.

That is like always bringing up the first fight that Lennox Lewis lost to his opponents and never giving him credit for adjusting and beating them in the 2nd fight by KO ..... its actually worse but whatever ..... Floyd is alwasy the winner in fantasy fights but never had the courage to face them in reality!

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Yes I know winky was past it when he fought williams bus his defense heavily relied on his high guard protecting both his face and the body. Williams could hit him at will because of those lanky arms and the angle they were coming from allowed him get inside where most fighters could not. To beat williams floyd would have to pull what leonard did to hearns and turn from a boxer into a puncher for this fight.

and Floyd has never fought like SRL.

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You are right ... here is another guy who just points out the first fight with Quintana without giving Williams credit for adjusting and KOing Quintana in 1 the next fight.

That is like always bringing up the first fight that Lennox Lewis lost to his opponents and never giving him credit for adjusting and beating them in the 2nd fight by KO ..... its actually worse but whatever ..... Floyd is alwasy the winner in fantasy fights but never had the courage to face them in reality!

Pretty much. It's NSB, what do you expect?

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Yes I know winky was past it when he fought williams bus his defense heavily relied on his high guard protecting both his face and the body. Williams could hit him at will because of those lanky arms and the angle they were coming from allowed him get inside where most fighters could not. To beat williams floyd would have to pull what leonard did to hearns and turn from a boxer into a puncher for this fight.

That's the way I see it. Floyd fighting like SRL??? LMFAO.

[Shogunofharlem1]

and Floyd has never fought like SRL.

Exactly. Hes too concerned with not getting hit to drastically alter his style like that nor does he have the punching power to do it even if he wanted to.

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Williams KOed Quintana and was able to connect in both fights against Martinez but Martinez had the power to KO Williams. Floyd doesn't have the power of Martinez at 160lbs.

With Williams reach he was able to connect on Martinez unlike some of Martinez's other opponents who had a much harder time finding Martinez. So one has to give Williams credit.

I have said in other threads that Williams had defensive flaws but it would take a good puncher to take full advantage of his mistakes. Floyd depends on his defense and that his opponents would quit trying to unsuccessfully penetrate his defense. Williams threw from everywhere at a very high work-rate. Too much for a Floyd at WW and even more so at 154.

The type of movement Martinez has is completely different from the type of movement guys like Mayweather give. Mayweather's movements are much more subtle and would be quite effective against guys like Williams. Mayweather is the type of guy who can get under, take a step to the side and make his opponents reset constantly just by taking 1 step whether it be from short range or mid range, where I think a fight with Williams would be fought considering Williams never really liked using his height and reach while fighting from long range.

Martinez on the other hand uses his movement to dart in and out but his type of movement requires much more space for him to operate.

I've always said that Martinez would have trouble with guys who put the pressure on him because of the type of movement he incorporates into his style.