Originally posted by jjbj2
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How does Cus D'Amato compare to the trainers of today?
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The style Cus taught was very intricate, but numerous books I read about Tyson Torres etc all had quotes of Cus, Rooney & Atlas saying that Cus could make a certain kind of guy a damn near perfect fighter. So basically I guess it comes down to the fighter they are training. If the guy fit Cus's mold then I would pick him all day.
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Originally posted by jrosales13 View PostAre you sure about? And, Cuz also trained Miguel Torres. Who was a good fighter. So he should get credit for that also not just for Patterson and Tyson.
However, how important was Rooney to Tyson success? Granted D'Mato was Rooney mentor. But, we're not going to give Futch credit for Pac are we?
But, OK Nacho trained Zaragosa HOF'er, the Marquez both will be in HOF, Lopez HOF'er. Who's was successful already when Nacho started training them?
Why is Cus ahead of Nacho? Just out of curiosity?
Would you put Cus' ahead of Dundee?
How is Cus' on the same level of Goldman, Futch, and Arcel?
is no way in hell Cus' is on the level of those 3 as a trainer.
Also while Futch passed knowledge down to Roach, he was an influentual figure when it came to Manny so I'm not sure how that comparision even works.
I think D'Amato is clearly above Beristein, Steward and Richardson for the simple fact he can quickly spot a flaw and exploit it. Don't believe me, watch that video in which he is joking with Ali. He is pretending to be Frazier and when Ali goes against him, D'Amato throws the same exact punch that Frazier later used to stop Ali when they fought. D'Amato even explain to him how he would get caught and how he would lose.......
That still blows my mind even till this day on how he called that **** to a tee and it played out exactly how he said....Ali making the same mistake and Frazier landing the exact punch.
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I'm impressed by Cus as Tyson's success was heavily based on style. From a totally physical standpoint, Tyson shouldn't have been able to compete with heavyweights (lighter, shorter height, shorter arms, etc). The style ingrained in him by Cus overcame all of those disadvantages and maxed his advantages to their potential.
I rank Cus pretty much above all the active trainers right now, but can't say where he would fit in the "all-time" picture.
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Originally posted by ThePhantom5 View PostWhere do you rank Cus all-time?
How would you compare him to the great trainers of today?
Goosen, Roach, Nazim, The Mayweathers, Nacho, Steward, Atlas.
And Nazim? He is good at teaching kids how to box and is a great amateur trainer for olympics but he is horrible Superstar Fight Coach. His theories only work on kids and his advice to Bhop during the fight was "Clinch him man, Clinch"
He needs to setup a small little school and teach kids how to box and teach them theory, but he will never be on the same level as Roach,Steward,Nacho who are superstar coaches.
Roach Steward Nacho = A
Nazim = B
Atlas = Z level.
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Originally posted by Luilun View PostSorry buddy but in Mexico trainers usually train their fighters from scratch. I sure the Marquez were trained by Nacho from youth days. It's only here in the states that a trainer tied to HBO and Showtime steal fighters already made by someone else with the help of a sleaze ball promoter. Here's 1 million kid but this is your new trainer, you get my point
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Nacho and Steward are the best trainers I have seen. They give there fighters a style to work with
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