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Would it be possible to name a p4p fighter for each decade going back 100 years?
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Originally posted by TheGreatA View PostFrom Raymond Swanwick's biography on Les Darcy:
"On 12th february 1917, 2 days after Darcy had begun training at Goshen, there was a heavyweight fight at the New York Sporting Club, in which Fulton knocked out Charley Weinert in the second round. Fulton was a giant from Kansas, 6 feet 11 inches tall and 15 stone in weight, who had won 18 of his 27 proffesional fights by knockouts. He was considered the logical challenger to Jess Willard- who was also a giant from Kansas, 6 feet 6 inches tall and weighing 18 stone- for the Heavyweight championship; but Willard could not be got into the ring to defend his title without very large financial guarantees."
"It occurred to Tex Rickard and Hugh Grant Brown to match Fred Fulton privately against Les Darcy in a training bout, in the pressence of only a few privileged spectators. This would be intended to test the Australians ability to fight a bigger and heavier man."
"The result could have only been a shock to anyone who might have thought that Darcy`s reputation had been overrated. In the first round he boxed with such speed that the slow moving Fulton was peppered with sparring punches and unable to make any effective counter. When the same happened in the second round, Fulton retired from the bout, and refused to continue."
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Originally posted by poet682006 View Post00s - Manny Pacquiao
90s - Pernell Whitaker
80s - Ray Leonard
70s - Roberto Duran
60s - Edar Jofre
50s - Ray Robinson
40s - Ray Robinson
30s - Henry Armstrong
20s - Benny Leonard
10s - Sam Langford
00s - Bob Fitzsimmons
i'm glad you got the pac man at 00's. He's the one fighting everyone.
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Originally posted by McGoorty View PostOne report I read from a newspaper said that Fulton was knocked out, That was one of the bombastic one's,.... came via Rickard...... who was trying to promote Les. ------------------------------ One thing I DO KNOW,.... after that "Spar", Fulton's stocks took a hit to his reputation, and he was not highly regarded after that point. Dempsey said that he knew of that "Spar", in an interview, and said that Darcy indeed gave Fred a 'Darn Thrashing", Dempsey had nothing but the highest regard for Darcy, and said that had looked up to Darcy as one of his heroes when he was starting out..... Dempsey said that he thought that only he could have beaten Les........ That was how Darcy was thought of by everyone in the 20's and 30's................ and that's why I think so highly of him too, NOBODY today knows what the old-time insiders knew about their own generation, Dempsey knew more about Les than any of us know..... remember that Jack Kearns had seen a lot of Darcy in action,...... and he was very jealous when Darcy told Doc that he was not interested...... in actual fact, Darcy mistrusted Kearns a lot.
2) Darcy KO'ing out Fulton is questionable...there are no primary source.
3) There was no better P4P fighter than Sam in that time...Poet is quite right.
4) "Mr. Bob Laga"--I will look into this, and Dempsey could not have seen Darcy - Fulton fight, and even if it happened Darcy might have Knocked down Fulton not out...starnger things have happened in sparring...you Spar so that you get you rlicks there not in the match.
I doubt it proves Darcy beats Fulton in a real fight ....Last edited by Greatest1942; 09-22-2011, 04:52 AM.
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Originally posted by Greatest1942 View Post1) When Sam quit 'against' Fulton he was already past it...it was way after Sam's prime...it was also teh fight in which Sam allegedly damaged his eye which made him blind later on.
2) Darcy KO'ing out Fulton is questionable...there are a few primary source.
3) There was no better P4P fighter than Sam in that time...Poet is quite right.
4) "Mr. Bob Laga"--I will look into this, and Dempsey could not have seen Darcy - Fulton fight, and even if it happened Darcy might have Knocked down Fulton not out...starnger things have happened in sparring...you Spar so that you get you rlicks there not in the match.
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Again this was not an actual match, we will never know what would have happenned...Darcy might have exposed a weakness, or made Fulton feel uneasy but this is sparring remember.
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One last thing,
this incident was to the best of my knowledge never ever posted in a newspaper of that time...which is strange....
NZ Truth posts it from a guy, we don't even know was there or should be there. The article is of 11 November 1922, well after the incident and Darcy;s death.
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The only close source I know which proves they could have sparred , can McGoorty or others give me any other contemporary news paper report to prove this happened.
On a side note if this happened, may be it provided the blue print for Jack Dempsey to KO out fulton in 10 seconds, get under his arms and sock him...no wonder some section of the press thought they were similar.Last edited by Greatest1942; 09-22-2011, 05:34 AM.
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Originally posted by them_apples View Postis Jofre the best of the 60's? what are some alternatives? Jofre was great but the 60's was a deep era was it not?
i'm glad you got the pac man at 00's. He's the one fighting everyone.
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This is a hell of a outhg question because many guys have been on top for a decade but not a 00-09 decade. This forces me to leave whitaker out, as leonard did more in the 80s, and jones in the 90s. Anyways let's try
00s - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
90s - Roy Jones Jr.
80s - Ray Leonard
70s - Roberto Duran
60s - Muhammad Ali (I know know, but IMO he showed the most amazing boxing of the decade, if only for a few years)
50s - Archie Moore (not too convinced, but it seems the logical pick)
40s - Ray Robinson
30s - Henry Armstrong
Up to here I am good, but I am not confident on the rest of my list
20s - Benny Leonard
10s - Sam Langford
00s - Joe Gans
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