[LMAO!] Average Solar System Warming Statistics! Suck It Libs

[Canelo Phresh]

http://seoblackhat.com/2007/03/04/gl...n-and-jupiter/

So the earth is over heating due to greedy rich men trying to kill us for money, right? That is the lie fed to us by the state run media. The state thate violates the 1st amendment right of the press and you hear no complaints from cnn or msnbc. Stealing phone records of the ap. The administration that targets constutional organizations by perverting the irs to suit its political agenda. The same state that targets retired vets over muslims through profiling for potential terrorist threats. These are the same people that see gun owners as guilty until proven innocent despite the bill of rights 2nd amendment right because of the acts of criminals. The germans took away the rights of the jews to own and bear arms before ww2. History and facts support my arguments fear and hate support the guilty til proven innocent liberals.

[The Tase]

http://seoblackhat.com/2007/03/04/gl...n-and-jupiter/

So the earth is over heating due to greedy rich men trying to kill us for money, right? That is the lie fed to us by the state run media. The state thate violates the 1st amendment right of the press and you hear no complaints from cnn or msnbc. Stealing phone records of the ap. The administration that targets constutional organizations by perverting the irs to suit its political agenda. The same state that targets retired vets over muslims through profiling for potential terrorist threats. These are the same people that see gun owners as guilty until proven innocent despite the bill of rights 2nd amendment right because of the acts of criminals. The germans took away the rights of the jews to own and bear arms before ww2. History and facts support my arguments fear and hate support the guilty til proven innocent liberals.

did you actually think you proved something with that link?


you need to stop listening to rush limbaugh.

its not good for your health and mental well being.

[squealpiggy]

The blog post you linked to is from 2007 so is six years out of date. The links therein are instructive. The Pluto link is from 2002, the Jupiter link is from 2006, the one about Triton is from 1998. There's an unsourced link to a PDF stating that runaway greenhouse effects on Venus are wrong but it appears to be a personal webpage on a now-defunct hosting service called Galaxy Online. Sadly I'm unable to check the quality of the work but if I was going to overturn scientific orthodoxy I wouldn't really do it on a Geocities knock off.

There's mention of an experiment that suggests anthropogenic global warming is wrong but it's hidden by a London Times paywall so again I can't check the date or follow the links.

Chris Landsea resigned from the IPCC because he disagreed that ocean warming contributes to higher rates and magnitudes of hurricanes. He accepts that anthropogenic global warming takes place.

Richard Lindzen has been criticised for being something of a rockstar among climate skeptics and people who believe that science is subject to personal politics. He is far outside the scientific consensus and there are plenty of people who will applaud him simply for that.

This blog source you used is essentially a collection of out-of-date and broken links with a couple of fallacious arguments from authority throw in. The place to overturn scientific orthodoxy is in the literature, not in the fancy of blog writers who think they can overturn reality by simply wishing it ain't so.

[squealpiggy]

Maybe I should address your post as well as the link:

http://seoblackhat.com/2007/03/04/gl...n-and-jupiter/

So the earth is over heating due to greedy rich men trying to kill us for money, right?

No. I don't think I've seen this claim outside of basket-case environmentalists who are as anti-science as you are.

That is the lie fed to us by the state run media.

State run media = any media that does not agree with your personal political opinion at any point.

Of course should the "state run media" momentarily agree with you then all previous animosity will be immediately forgiven.

The state thate violates the 1st amendment right of the press and you hear no complaints from cnn or msnbc. Stealing phone records of the ap.

This has nothing to do with climate change. I made the critical error of believing that this thread was about scientific contention, not right wing talking points.

The administration that targets constutional organizations by perverting the irs to suit its political agenda.

No evidence of this whatsoever. This whole manufactroversy is a flash in the pan. You're referring to the accusation that the IRS was targeting for scrutiny organisations who were applying for tax exempt status who had words like "Tea Party" or "Patriot" in their names. Leaving aside for a moment the fact that 60% of applicants who were flagged for scrutiny did not meet this description, I think that any group that defines itself by its opposition to taxation should be scrutinised when applying to be tax exempt. Failure to act in such a situation would be negligent.

Not forgetting of course the fact that this activity emerged among the front-line IRS agents and once the higher ups learned about it the practise was forbidden. And that this prohibition occurred before the GOP started its little tantrum.

Oh and it has nothing to do with climate change.

The same state that targets retired vets over muslims through profiling for potential terrorist threats.

I don't get it. Are the muslims into climate change? Are the vets all climate change deniers? What does this have to do with your link?

These are the same people that see gun owners as guilty until proven innocent despite the bill of rights 2nd amendment right because of the acts of criminals.

No more than seeing car owners of being guilty until proven innocent.

The germans took away the rights of the jews to own and bear arms before ww2. History and facts support my arguments fear and hate support the guilty til proven innocent liberals.

Sadly your block-o-text smorgasboard was attached to a link about climate change and had absolutely no consistency. I'd suggest sticking to a single argument in future.

[Jim Jeffries]

The blog post you linked to is from 2007 so is six years out of date. The links therein are instructive. The Pluto link is from 2002, the Jupiter link is from 2006, the one about Triton is from 1998. This blog source you used is essentially a collection of out-of-date

Fair enough, but there hasn't actually been any Global Warming (what the thread is about) since the late 90's anyway. Which is probably why you mention Climate Change 4 times in your next post, in a feeble attempt at misdirection.

I don't think I've seen this claim outside of basket-case environmentalists who are as anti-science as you are.

Unfortunately they've been brought mainstream by Al Gore's strangely popular, fallacious propaganda film. The one that has increased his net worth immensely.

No evidence of this whatsoever.

Of course not. Well except for the fact that the IRS's Lois Lerner (head of the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups) apologized already for doing so:

The groups, which enjoyed tax-exempt status under the internal revenue code, were singled out for additional scrutiny of their tax exemption if their names included the words "tea party" or "patriot." In several cases, the groups were asked to provide a list of donors for review, usually a violation of IRS policy.

"That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive, and it was inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases," said Lois Lerner, the head of the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups. "The IRS would like to apologize for that."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...2012-election/

just as the Inspector General's office was about to conclude its investigation into the IRS for such practices. The same Lois Lerner who subsequently pleaded the 5th (Amendment) before Congress and then went on administrative leave.

Speaking of the IG investigation:

Treasury Inspector for Tax Administration General J. Russell George told the Senate Finance Committee on Tuesday that the IRS messed up badly when it targeted conservative groups for heightened scrutiny.

"In closing, the IRS demonstrated gross mismanagement," he said. "The allegations were substantiated and raise troubling questions about whether the IRS have effective management oversight and control, at least in the exempt organizations function."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...ling-questions

Not forgetting of course the fact that this activity emerged among the front-line IRS agents and once the higher ups learned about it the practise was forbidden.

By then the damage had been done.

In February 2010, the Champaign Tea Party in Illinois received approval of its tax-exempt status from the IRS in 90 days, no questions asked.

That was the month before the Internal Revenue Service started singling out Tea Party groups for special treatment. There wouldn't be another Tea Party application approved for 27 months.

In that time, the IRS approved perhaps dozens of applications from similar liberal and progressive groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...roups/2158831/

Nope, nothing to see here folks. Move along.

And that this prohibition occurred before the GOP started its little tantrum.

The GOP is curious why the IG kept its investigation of the IRS under wraps during an election year, as it should be.

Oh and it has nothing to do with climate change.

Case in point.

[squealpiggy]

Fair enough, but there hasn't actually been any Global Warming (what the thread is about) since the late 90's anyway. Which is probably why you mention Climate Change 4 times in your next post, in a feeble attempt at misdirection.

Not true.



The 2000s were hotter than the 1990s. There was a drop in average temperature between 2000 and 2002 but the temperature trend continues upwards.

Unfortunately they've been brought mainstream by Al Gore's strangely popular, fallacious propaganda film. The one that has increased his net worth immensely.

When faced with science you don't agree with point out how rich Al Gore is. He isn't a scientist but that doesn't matter, you have to draw attention away from the numbers!

Of course not. Well except for the fact that the IRS's Lois Lerner (head of the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups) apologized already for doing so:

The groups, which enjoyed tax-exempt status under the internal revenue code, were singled out for additional scrutiny of their tax exemption if their names included the words "tea party" or "patriot." In several cases, the groups were asked to provide a list of donors for review, usually a violation of IRS policy.

"That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive, and it was inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases," said Lois Lerner, the head of the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups. "The IRS would like to apologize for that."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...2012-election/

just as the Inspector General's office was about to conclude its investigation into the IRS for such practices. The same Lois Lerner who subsequently pleaded the 5th (Amendment) before Congress and then went on administrative leave.

Speaking of the IG investigation:

Treasury Inspector for Tax Administration General J. Russell George told the Senate Finance Committee on Tuesday that the IRS messed up badly when it targeted conservative groups for heightened scrutiny.

"In closing, the IRS demonstrated gross mismanagement," he said. "The allegations were substantiated and raise troubling questions about whether the IRS have effective management oversight and control, at least in the exempt organizations function."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...ling-questions

Manufactroversy. There's nothing in this that in any way implicates anybody higher up than the day to day middle managers, and certainly nothing to suggest that this was done at the behest of "the Administration" as suggested by TS.

It also has nothing to do with climate change.

By then the damage had been done.

In February 2010, the Champaign Tea Party in Illinois received approval of its tax-exempt status from the IRS in 90 days, no questions asked.

That was the month before the Internal Revenue Service started singling out Tea Party groups for special treatment. There wouldn't be another Tea Party application approved for 27 months.

In that time, the IRS approved perhaps dozens of applications from similar liberal and progressive groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...roups/2158831/

Nope, nothing to see here folks. Move along.



The GOP is curious why the IG kept its investigation of the IRS under wraps during an election year, as it should be.



Case in point.

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It's a non-issue that has become a major talking point among right wing hacks. Why? Why do politicians insist on doing this?

Rather than looking for scandals that are only tangentially related to administrative criticism why don't they focus their efforts into saying specifically what the Democrats are doing wrong and how the Republican party would do it better?

I mean a scandal can help your cause if you're also putting forward a case for your election, but it's a dangerous game for the GOP to play considering how their own politicians' scandals are always considerably more hilarious!

[Mr Ehrmantraut]

[Jim Jeffries]

Not true.



The 2000s were hotter than the 1990s. There was a drop in average temperature between 2000 and 2002 but the temperature trend continues upwards.

Maybe we're looking at two different graphs, but what I see is a lower temperature today than in 1998. With a single ~.02 degree increase over that year in 2010, but no real trend over that period. Certainly not a continuation in the warming trend of the 2 decades prior. Which is why climate alarmists have ceased using Global Warming and have latched onto Climate Change. Brilliant really, the Global Cooling of the 70's? Climate Change! The Global Warming of the 80's and most of the 90's? Climate Change! Tsunamis, earthquakes and tornadoes? Climate Change!

Forward!

When faced with science you don't agree with point out how rich Al Gore is. He isn't a scientist but that doesn't matter, you have to draw attention away from the numbers!

You haven't pointed out any science and the comment you're referring to wasn't about science, only the mainstreaming of looney environmentalists.

Manufactroversy. There's nothing in this that in any way implicates anybody higher up than the day to day middle managers, and certainly nothing to suggest that this was done at the behest of "the Administration" as suggested by TS.

Well this old clueless and incompetent leadership defense has worked brilliantly so far in deflecting the Fast and Furious, IRS, Benghazi and AP phone records, etc scandals. Which seems preferable to the alternative, that they're corrupt.

It also has nothing to do with climate change.

Of course not, but that didn't stop you from foolishly claiming that there is no there there.

It's a non-issue that has become a major talking point among right wing hacks.

Actually it's an issue that's only being denied by left wing hacks. Except for you, of course.

[squealpiggy]

Maybe we're looking at two different graphs, but what I see is a lower temperature today than in 1998. With a single ~.02 degree increase over that year in 2010, but no real trend over that period. Certainly not a continuation in the warming trend of the 2 decades prior.

1998 saw a dramatically high temperature, in an el nino year (that means it's hotter, look at the graph). That was eclipsed in 2005 in a year that was not el nino followed by higher temperatures again in 2010 which was an el nino year.

2012 was a lower temperature than 1998 but it was a la nina year where temperatures drop. Again look at the graph. 2012 is the hottest la nina year since records began.

What you have done there is that you have cherry picked one single temperature that you think supports your point and ignored all the others, including the more recent higher temperatures.

Which is why climate alarmists have ceased using Global Warming and have latched onto Climate Change.

Wrong. Climate change has always been used as the dominant term in the scientific literature. Global warming is a media buzzword.

Brilliant really, the Global Cooling of the 70's? Climate Change! The Global Warming of the 80's and most of the 90's? Climate Change! Tsunamis, earthquakes and tornadoes? Climate Change!

Are you seriously still banging on about that article in Time? One single paper suggested a global cooling in the 1970s out of dozens which pointed to continual warming, this was latched upon by Time (not a scientific journal) and for some reason is the go-to item to talk about by people who think that science is conditional upon politics.

[D-MiZe]

You know shit is going down when the graphs come out.