HOF/ATG Poll: Pac ahead of Floyd for ATG

[KingOfBox]

My answer was given in the form of an example from another era.

If you really want a long, drawn out response that you could see yourself if you just looked at each other's resume then okay, here goes...

Pacquiao came from nothing. Floyd was an Olympic athlete. Pacquiao had to work his way up from the bottom, whereas Floyd turned pro with a rich backing in the form of US fans of boxing and people high up in the sport willing to give him a hand to the top because really they wanted a piece of him due to his successful amateur career. This clearly means that Floyd had it easier right off the bat.

Pacquiao had to go to Thailand to fight a Thai for his first title shot. Floyd fought for his Super Featherweight title in his city of residence.

Pacquiao took the fight with Ledwaba on two weeks notice.

Pre-2008, Pacquiao had big wins against Morales x2 and Barrera x2. Mayweather, though, did also have wins that were just as big in that same time frame in the form of Corrales, Judah, De La Hoya and Hatton.

Again, I'll state that Pacquiao's career didn't start in '08. I know he wasn't an ATG before then, but there's no doubting he was great. The wins since then have helped add to his legacy, rather than define it. It's better him beating world class fighters in any form than pretending to be retired, IMO anyway.

Hopefully this reply will suffice, Goldie.

Fighting in Thailand or on 2 weeks notice has nothing to do with resume. Its an excuse. He was right you didn't answer the question until the very end here. I can agree that Floyd is far from the most active fighter but this still doesn't detract from his RESUME. ACTIVITY doesn't equal RESUME. Also having more financial backing just shows that he had people scouting him early on. "Pretending to be retired" or "protecting a goose egg" doesn't mean anything when you beat: Hernandez, Castillo, Corrales, Gatti, Judah, DLH, Mosley, Hatton, Marquez, Cotto. I think realistically, Pacquiao has a slightly better resume. BUT he has been in wars, tied, lost and been KO'd. Floyd has been in MAYBE two fights in which the result was in doubt. Castillo 1 and when Mosley rocked him in round 2. That is IT. For Pacquiao: Torrecampo, Singsurat, Ledwaba, Morales, Marquez x 4. Overall, Floyd has been dominant while Pac has been also great but has had several fights lost or in doubt. The result is clear when Floyd fights except for once in is whole career. Not even the SLIGHTLY better resume can top dominance

[tangalog2200]

Aren't you tired of getting roasted by all of us on your own post?? I just showed you proof!

COMPUBOX!!!!!!!!

You fail at life. You fail at being an undercover BIASED PacFan, fail at analysis, fail at comprehension. You think that by somehow "attacking" my general perception that Floyd is a bad SOB that you are somehow discrediting Floyd. Problem is you still have to try to discredit Floyd... Nobody has to try to discredit Manny... A little old "washed up" Mexican did that. Funny how you absolutely refuse to even MENTION MARQUEZ!!!!! BEST OF TRIED TO IMPLY MARQUEZ USED PEDS!!!!

I enjoy reading the exchanges/posts here although I had been shy for so long now - to dip my fingers on the keys again to join the conversations.

Both mp and fm are atgs. who is ahead in the poll is subjective as voters do have different perspectives. i voted for mp even though i believe fm is generally, a better boxer. statistics tell tales and more...not to digress...just to indicate how i view atg issues...i consider ali the goat...and ali may not in the eyes of others that great

[Bolo Punch]

Well the argument that Pacquiao's resume is better than Mayweather's because Ali's resume is better than Marciano's is lazy and piss poor, that's why I didn't even acknowledge it.

The reason I brought up Marciano and Ali is because I thought you were saying that Mayweather was greater than Pacquiao simply because Mayweather hadn't lost.

The argument in bold is a joke, and I'm not going to acknowledge that either. Let's keep this about what each fighter has done in the ring and save the sob stories.

I think the subject about each fighter's background is a legitimate point and genuinely does add a bit more to Pacquiao's legacy, rather than just a sob story.

I don't have a problem with the part in italics, I even agree for the most part. Again, I'm not trying to discredit Pacquiao here. I'm no hater. He's a good fighter who's had a really good career. Can't take that away from him. Nothing you said proves that his resume looks better than Mayweather's though. Imo, in order for for one to feel that Pacquiao's resume is better than Mayweather's he/she must be convinced that Pacquiao's wins are so much better than Mayweather's that they outweigh his losses. I just don't see that. I respect you for responding to my question though. Salute.

I feel the same way about Mayweather than you do about Pacquiao, it seems. I think Floyd is an excellent fighter - one of the best. Yeah, he's picked his opponents carefully for several years now, but that's the luxury you have when you're at the top. I probably would too if I was in the same position!

Maybe I'm being a bit biased because I'm a Pacquiao fan, although I try my best to look at the facts and give my honest view, rather than just base my argument on who I root for. Anyway, we'll agree to disagree on this one.

[KingOfBox]

"You fail at life." ??? LOL Your invective betrays your insecurity. And you are insecure because you simply cannot make a dent in the argument of this thread. You cannot argue with the polling. You cannot argue with the numbers. These are facts.

If the facts were different, you would find me making a different argument..possibly one in Floyd's favor.

I have no issue with anybody saying or implying that Floyd's talent is great. I would agree with the premise that his potential was almost limitless.

But compubox numbers mean nothing when we are talking about greatness. I am absolutely sure there is one perfect fight out there, according to compubox. Or say, as I would imagine, there is a 2 second, 1rst round, one punch KO out there. Is that fighter the GOAT???

What we are talking about here is greatness in the sport. Floyd doesn't have the numbers. He'll be 75 years old at this pace, before he has the numbers. I think its a reasonable assumption that Floyd will never have the numbers.

Now...does a fighter like Holyfield need the numbers to be an all time great? Does a fighter like Foreman need the numbers to be an all time great? Does a fighter like Pacman need the numbers to be an all time great? NO NO and NO. Because they accumulate their accolades thru GLORY.

Two different routes to greatness: Numbers and Glory. Floyd has neither.
This is his problem.

Or both.. http://images.picturesdepot.com/phot...elts-22035.jpg

Haha you're so lame.. Pac is still sleeping... Wake up Pacman. Wake up.

[Wiley Hyena]

your "logic" seems to suggest that Floyd is greater than Duran...do you agree?

THIS is a pungent comment. Again; 2 routes to greatness...numbers and glory. The guys that have both are up for consideration as GOAT.

Floyd has neither numbers or glory. Pacman has the glory. Thus, Pacman is a more highly regarded ATG.

end of story

[KingOfBox]

I enjoy reading the exchanges/posts here although I had been shy for so long now - to dip my fingers on the keys again to join the conversations.

Both mp and fm are atgs. who is ahead in the poll is subjective as voters do have different perspectives. i voted for mp even though i believe fm is generally, a better boxer. statistics tell tales and more...not to digress...just to indicate how i view atg issues...i consider ali the goat...and ali may not in the eyes of others that great

Finally someone with some honest objective sense on here... Thank you for typing

[Bolo Punch]

Fighting in Thailand or on 2 weeks notice has nothing to do with resume. Its an excuse. He was right you didn't answer the question until the very end here. I can agree that Floyd is far from the most active fighter but this still doesn't detract from his RESUME. ACTIVITY doesn't equal RESUME. Also having more financial backing just shows that he had people scouting him early on. "Pretending to be retired" or "protecting a goose egg" doesn't mean anything when you beat: Hernandez, Castillo, Corrales, Gatti, Judah, DLH, Mosley, Hatton, Marquez, Cotto. I think realistically, Pacquiao has a slightly better resume. BUT he has been in wars, tied, lost and been KO'd. Floyd has been in MAYBE two fights in which the result was in doubt. Castillo 1 and when Mosley rocked him in round 2. That is IT. For Pacquiao: Torrecampo, Singsurat, Ledwaba, Morales, Marquez x 4. Overall, Floyd has been dominant while Pac has been also great but has had several fights lost or in doubt. The result is clear when Floyd fights except for once in is whole career. Not even the SLIGHTLY better resume can top dominance

You're absolutely right, fighting in Thailand and taking fights on short notice doesn't have anything to do with resume. It does add a chunk to his legacy, though, if you ask me. You'd have to say the odds were probably against him when you factor those points in, which makes the wins great.

As for the bit highlighted in bold, I think you may mean Sanchez, mate.

[Bolo Punch]

Both mp and fm are atgs. who is ahead in the poll is subjective as voters do have different perspectives. i voted for mp even though i believe fm is generally, a better boxer.

I agree with and am of the same opinion as this post.

[Champ Is Here]

NSB members

Clueless to the real world and how Pacquiao just gets laughed at

[KingOfBox]

THIS is a pungent comment. Again; 2 routes to greatness...numbers and glory. The guys that have both are up for consideration as GOAT.

Floyd has neither numbers or glory. Pacman has the glory. Thus, Pacman is a more highly regarded ATG.

end of story

Sounds like "biased nonsense" to me. What a girl dude... Lol.

Fighting everyone is cool and all but losing while doing both isn't. Thus explained by what happens after these "losses". Retirement, evander Holyfield syndrome etc... They have both fought everyone except eachother. You can't blame one or the other for both of them simply not getting it done. Let's not get started on Bob Arum