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THE ART OF NON-NEGOTIATING 201: MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO TIMELINE CONTINUES
By Ben Thompson | December 21, 2011
http://fighthype.com/pages/content11418.html
Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. Once again, promoter Bob Arum, with the help of select members of the media, wants you to believe that negotiations for the biggest and most lucrative fight in boxing history are taking place without the key representatives from either camp, namely himself and Mayweather adviser Al Haymon, actually having just one face-to-face meeting. Last time, it was Ross Greenburg who supposedly acted as conduit, as Arum claimed he was able to negotiate a deal when the former HBO Sports president relayed conversations that he had with Al Haymon back to him.
"We have never talked to anybody on the Mayweather side and all coversations on our part were through Ross Greenburg and he reported on all conversations on the Mayweather side from Al Haymon," explained the Hall of Fame promoter in July of 2010. "I never talked to anybody on the Mayweather side. I never talked to Mayweather. I only talked to Ross Greenburg, who represented to me certain things that he had discussed with Al Haymon on behalf of Mayweather." This time around, however, Arum claims that the only person he'll be negotiating with is Floyd Mayweather because "Floyd has no manager and no promoter, at least in terms of being under contract" and "if someone is coming along and waving a lot money, and says to Floyd, 'We don't want Haymon and we don't want Golden Boy involved,' then Floyd would decide that."
Nevermind the fact that Mayweather himself has constantly stated that adviser Al Haymon is his "go-to" guy when it comes to all of his business matters and no negotiations would take place without him and Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe being involved, Arum insists that Mayweather is "going solo" and he took it upon himself to allow Manny Pacquiao's adviser, Michael Koncz, to introduce him to one of the investment groups whose offer Arum is allegedly mulling over. Welcome to the Art of Non-Negotiating 201: The Intermediate Course, when not talking to anyone isn't enough to fool people into thinking you're actually putting forth an effort to give them what they want. In this class, the students are Manny Pacquiao and boxing fans, who all prefer to see a fight with Floyd Mayweather as opposed to a fourth fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, which is exactly what the teacher, Bob Arum, is going to end up giving you at the end of the course. Follow along to learn each intricate step of the non-negotiating process.
NOVEMBER 2, 2011
Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer reveal that Floyd Mayweather's next fight will take place on May 5, 2012 at the MGM Grand and they're hoping it's against Manny Pacquiao.
"Team Mayweather is looking to make the biggest fight possible and everyone knows what that fight is. It's very pleasing to know that Manny Pacquiao has agreed to be subjected to the USADA random blood and urine tests," Mayweater Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe would first tell FightHype.com. Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer would echo those comments, telling ESPN's Dan Rafael, ""I'm very excited that the sport's biggest pay-per-view star is going to be back on May 5. We have informed the pay-per-view industry and I have the arena on hold. I'm excited to continue my relationship with Floyd and his team. It's always fun to work with Floyd."
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11114.html
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11119.html
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...ather-jr-wants
NOVEMBER 3, 2011
Promoter Bob Arum and advisor Michael Koncz express anger and outrage that Mayweather selected the date and venue of his next fight.
"They've already said that it's May 5. They already said that it's at the MGM. How dare them? I'm really outraged that they made the announcement now right before Manny's fight, and we'll remember that," barked Arum. "And who are they to say what date that the fight would be held? What kind of of negotiation is that? So, if the MGM gave them May 5, then, Manny may fight somebody else in April in Texas or in the Thomas and Mack. This is not the way to make a deal." Michael Koncz would reiterate Arum's comments, adding that no negotiations have begun and suggesting the announcement was just an attempt to steal the attention from Pacquiao prior to his bout with Marquez. "They're just making an announcement to steal the thunder from Manny Pacquiao's show that's coming up, and there's going to be another opponent. There's been no discussion. So as Arum said, how can he choose a venue and also choose a date," Koncz argued. "As far as I'm aware, nobody from Mayweather's camp has contacted Manny directly or myself, or anybody else in position to discuss the fight."
http://******.craveonline.com/blog/1...eathers-return
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11128.html
NOVEMBER 3, 2011
Leonard Ellerbe makes it clear that any future business that needs to be discussed regarding the fight will be with Manny Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum.
"Manny Pacquiao has one promoter, and one promoter only, and everyone knows who that is, and his name is not Michael Koncz. Any business that has to be discussed surely wouldn't be with Michael Koncz," Ellerbe explained, dismissing the Koncz's notion that either he or Pacquiao would be contacted directly.
http://******.craveonline.com/blog/1...n-announcement
NOVEMBER 4, 2011
Bob Arum laughes at Leonard Ellerbe's announcement regarding Mayweather's return and makes it clear that if they're serious about negotiating, either he or Top Rank President Todd duBoef will be contacted.
"The way they are going about it seems like a bizarre way to go about it. If you want to put it together, you meet, you talk...I don't take what they said seriously. I think it's Floyd's way of trying to grab a little bit of the spotlight away from Manny. I'm not going to get upset. I take it with a grain of salt," Arum would explain to ESPN's Dan Rafael. "When they want to do some serious negotiating somebody will call me or Todd [duBoef] and we will sit down and talk," he added. "For me it's sort of funny, amusing. It's noise and it probably helps my Pacquiao-Marquez event. I'm happy with it. It's out there. But it's a joke...When do the games stop and serious negotiations begin? This latest stunt is a game. It really is hilarious if they think this is how you negotiate...Why would they do this -- lay out a venue, a date already? What was that about? Let's wait until Nov. 14 and see where it goes, but this kind of stuff is counterproductive."
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/story...quiao-promoter
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...at-mayweathers
NOVEMBER 6, 2011
Bob Arum claims Floyd Mayweather is fighting Erik Morales on May 5 and says Manny's next opponent is not "a Spanish guy".
"You know who the little fellow that they already approached? It's Erik Morales, and Erik will confirm it – absolutely. Erik has been approached to make the fight. He'll take it for the money. I'm sure he'll take it for the money. Why wouldn't he," Arum quipped. "I don't know who's gonna buy it (Mayweather vs Morales). But that's the whole nonsense is all about...They bull****ted the MGM to get the date, to get May 5. So they cut us out of getting May 5. But we don't need May 5 because we're not fighting a Spanish guy next. But they want May 5 because they're fighting Morales."
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-floy...es-next--45758
http://www.philstar.com/sportsarticl...ticleid=745510
http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=29781&more=1
By Ben Thompson | December 21, 2011
http://fighthype.com/pages/content11418.html
Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. Once again, promoter Bob Arum, with the help of select members of the media, wants you to believe that negotiations for the biggest and most lucrative fight in boxing history are taking place without the key representatives from either camp, namely himself and Mayweather adviser Al Haymon, actually having just one face-to-face meeting. Last time, it was Ross Greenburg who supposedly acted as conduit, as Arum claimed he was able to negotiate a deal when the former HBO Sports president relayed conversations that he had with Al Haymon back to him.
"We have never talked to anybody on the Mayweather side and all coversations on our part were through Ross Greenburg and he reported on all conversations on the Mayweather side from Al Haymon," explained the Hall of Fame promoter in July of 2010. "I never talked to anybody on the Mayweather side. I never talked to Mayweather. I only talked to Ross Greenburg, who represented to me certain things that he had discussed with Al Haymon on behalf of Mayweather." This time around, however, Arum claims that the only person he'll be negotiating with is Floyd Mayweather because "Floyd has no manager and no promoter, at least in terms of being under contract" and "if someone is coming along and waving a lot money, and says to Floyd, 'We don't want Haymon and we don't want Golden Boy involved,' then Floyd would decide that."
Nevermind the fact that Mayweather himself has constantly stated that adviser Al Haymon is his "go-to" guy when it comes to all of his business matters and no negotiations would take place without him and Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe being involved, Arum insists that Mayweather is "going solo" and he took it upon himself to allow Manny Pacquiao's adviser, Michael Koncz, to introduce him to one of the investment groups whose offer Arum is allegedly mulling over. Welcome to the Art of Non-Negotiating 201: The Intermediate Course, when not talking to anyone isn't enough to fool people into thinking you're actually putting forth an effort to give them what they want. In this class, the students are Manny Pacquiao and boxing fans, who all prefer to see a fight with Floyd Mayweather as opposed to a fourth fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, which is exactly what the teacher, Bob Arum, is going to end up giving you at the end of the course. Follow along to learn each intricate step of the non-negotiating process.
NOVEMBER 2, 2011
Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer reveal that Floyd Mayweather's next fight will take place on May 5, 2012 at the MGM Grand and they're hoping it's against Manny Pacquiao.
"Team Mayweather is looking to make the biggest fight possible and everyone knows what that fight is. It's very pleasing to know that Manny Pacquiao has agreed to be subjected to the USADA random blood and urine tests," Mayweater Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe would first tell FightHype.com. Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer would echo those comments, telling ESPN's Dan Rafael, ""I'm very excited that the sport's biggest pay-per-view star is going to be back on May 5. We have informed the pay-per-view industry and I have the arena on hold. I'm excited to continue my relationship with Floyd and his team. It's always fun to work with Floyd."
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11114.html
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11119.html
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...ather-jr-wants
NOVEMBER 3, 2011
Promoter Bob Arum and advisor Michael Koncz express anger and outrage that Mayweather selected the date and venue of his next fight.
"They've already said that it's May 5. They already said that it's at the MGM. How dare them? I'm really outraged that they made the announcement now right before Manny's fight, and we'll remember that," barked Arum. "And who are they to say what date that the fight would be held? What kind of of negotiation is that? So, if the MGM gave them May 5, then, Manny may fight somebody else in April in Texas or in the Thomas and Mack. This is not the way to make a deal." Michael Koncz would reiterate Arum's comments, adding that no negotiations have begun and suggesting the announcement was just an attempt to steal the attention from Pacquiao prior to his bout with Marquez. "They're just making an announcement to steal the thunder from Manny Pacquiao's show that's coming up, and there's going to be another opponent. There's been no discussion. So as Arum said, how can he choose a venue and also choose a date," Koncz argued. "As far as I'm aware, nobody from Mayweather's camp has contacted Manny directly or myself, or anybody else in position to discuss the fight."
http://******.craveonline.com/blog/1...eathers-return
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11128.html
NOVEMBER 3, 2011
Leonard Ellerbe makes it clear that any future business that needs to be discussed regarding the fight will be with Manny Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum.
"Manny Pacquiao has one promoter, and one promoter only, and everyone knows who that is, and his name is not Michael Koncz. Any business that has to be discussed surely wouldn't be with Michael Koncz," Ellerbe explained, dismissing the Koncz's notion that either he or Pacquiao would be contacted directly.
http://******.craveonline.com/blog/1...n-announcement
NOVEMBER 4, 2011
Bob Arum laughes at Leonard Ellerbe's announcement regarding Mayweather's return and makes it clear that if they're serious about negotiating, either he or Top Rank President Todd duBoef will be contacted.
"The way they are going about it seems like a bizarre way to go about it. If you want to put it together, you meet, you talk...I don't take what they said seriously. I think it's Floyd's way of trying to grab a little bit of the spotlight away from Manny. I'm not going to get upset. I take it with a grain of salt," Arum would explain to ESPN's Dan Rafael. "When they want to do some serious negotiating somebody will call me or Todd [duBoef] and we will sit down and talk," he added. "For me it's sort of funny, amusing. It's noise and it probably helps my Pacquiao-Marquez event. I'm happy with it. It's out there. But it's a joke...When do the games stop and serious negotiations begin? This latest stunt is a game. It really is hilarious if they think this is how you negotiate...Why would they do this -- lay out a venue, a date already? What was that about? Let's wait until Nov. 14 and see where it goes, but this kind of stuff is counterproductive."
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/story...quiao-promoter
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...at-mayweathers
NOVEMBER 6, 2011
Bob Arum claims Floyd Mayweather is fighting Erik Morales on May 5 and says Manny's next opponent is not "a Spanish guy".
"You know who the little fellow that they already approached? It's Erik Morales, and Erik will confirm it – absolutely. Erik has been approached to make the fight. He'll take it for the money. I'm sure he'll take it for the money. Why wouldn't he," Arum quipped. "I don't know who's gonna buy it (Mayweather vs Morales). But that's the whole nonsense is all about...They bull****ted the MGM to get the date, to get May 5. So they cut us out of getting May 5. But we don't need May 5 because we're not fighting a Spanish guy next. But they want May 5 because they're fighting Morales."
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-floy...es-next--45758
http://www.philstar.com/sportsarticl...ticleid=745510
http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=29781&more=1
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