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Roy Jones: "Hopkins has ONLY beat small fighters"--DO YOU AGREE?
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Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Postcuz the poll options are ******ed & biased. He fought how many "smaller" guys? Tito and Oscar? Even though Tito was a middleweight champion at the time. Oscar also fought at 160, sure he looked liike **** so he doesn't get too much credit there.
That's it. Pavlik & Calzghe same size as bhop. Glen Johnson, Tarver bigger guys. All middleweights echols, allen, etc etc etc during 160.
Pavlik and Calzaghe?? Get the **** outta here!!! That is such bull****!!
What is Pavlik?? The MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP. Didn't Calzaghe GO UP ONE DIVISION to fight Hopkins??
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Originally posted by Easy Work Jr. View PostPavlik?..fighting a MW @ LHW?...
And PLEASE don't even try to say pavlik lost because of size, that was all bhop's skill man, you will lose all credibility if you say pavlik lost cuz of size alone. Further they are like twins as far as body type goes:
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Originally posted by Easy Work Jr. View PostIn an interview with B-talk...Roy goes in on Hopkins...do you agree?
"He became smarter. Instead of being an aggressive fighter, he became a smarter fighter, I have to give him credit for that. But he learned that from me too. I don't call that improvement I call that a choice. He chose to be smarter fighter instead of fighting the way he was fighting. That's not an improvement, that's a choice."
"His accomplishments are hall of fame accomplishements. The things he did, yeah he did some great things. The fighters he beat late in his career is because he started fighting smart. He didn't take no chances. He beat Glen Johnson, but that wasn't nothing spectacular and he before Glen rose to power. He came back and pulled off a good victory against Tarver and he was very motivated to do those things, because he felt like if they beat Roy and I beat them then my legacy is better than his. He also beat some smaller fighters. He beat De La Hoya, he beat Tito, the only fighter he beat of size is Antonio Tarver. So let's not start making no stupid suggestions, it's not like Bernard Hopkins been whooping the world. Winky Wright was a junior middleweight too. Bernard Hopkins ain't beat no legitimate light heavyweights except Antonio Tarver, so where's all this improvement coming from. He's bigger than all the other guys he beat so where's the damn improvement? Let's be for real about it, the only person he beat was Antonio Tarver, which wasn't that hard to do. It's not like I ain't beat Antonio Tarver once my damn self, when I was dead. What legitimate light heavyweight has beatnen since he became light heavyweight other than Tarver? None! What legitimate middleweight did he beat? Who, besides Kelly Pavlik and he's not really legitimate. He ain't did all that. Where is the improvment? What he has done that is so spectacular besides beat Antonio Tarver? He beat Glen Johnson before he became anything. Hell I beat Eric Lucas after playing a basketball game and then Eric Lucas became the WBC super middleweight champion of the world and held it for a few years. But when I beat him they said he was a nobody. Bernard ain't did a whole lot of nothing, let's keep it real. "
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Originally posted by chicano79us View PostWhat was Tito's record at 160+?? What great goes like 3-3?? Would you call that legit?? Hell No!!
If hopkins didn't exist at 160 Trinidad would have been the unified champ. There wasn't a SINGLE fighter at 160 that could have been him at the time.
Pavlik and Calzaghe?? Get the **** outta here!!! That is such bull****!!
What is Pavlik?? The MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP. Didn't Calzaghe GO UP ONE DIVISION to fight Hopkins??
Calzaghe was a natural light heavyweight, he proved this by beating hopkins and jones. He stated for several years it was more and more difficult to make 168 and he planned on going to LH before hopkins was even an option. If you think size was a factor there you're ******ed.
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Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Postthey fought at 170 (4 pounds north of what pavlik fought taylor at).
And PLEASE don't even try to say pavlik lost because of size, that was all bhop's skill man, you will lose all credibility if you say pavlik lost cuz of size alone. Further they are like twins as far as body type goes:
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