Richard Dawkins Celebrates a Victory Over Creationists

[squealpiggy]

Oh and viruses: No, all life did not evolve from viruses but I think you'd see similarities between modern viruses and primitive replicators in that they contain a chain of protein coding but are not cell-protected. Viruses have found a means to survive without cell protection in a post cellular world which primitive replicators had no such means and would not survive in normal conditions today - any replicator that began evolving today would quickly be food for cellular life.

[squealpiggy]

so wait, protien just replicates on its own? how does that work? how come my tub of protien shake dosnt become 2 tubs after a while?

That's not a serious question so I don't need to answer it.

[Spartacus Sully]

That's not a serious question so I don't need to answer it.

well the protien shake part isnt, but like how does a strain of protien just replicate? can you link me to wiki articles on this? if you can point me in the right direction i have no problem reading and educating myself on this matter of self replicating protien strains.

[squealpiggy]

well the protien shake part isnt, but like how does a strain of protien just replicate? can you link me to wiki articles on this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis

[Spartacus Sully]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis

from what ive found protiens arnt very likely to self replicate.

and its much more likely that in the very beginning it was a combination of rudamentary RNA and protiens working together to create the first self replicating molecule.

[squealpiggy]

from what ive found protiens arnt very likely to self replicate.

and its much more likely that in the very beginning it was a combination of rudamentary RNA and protiens working together to create the first self replicating molecule.

Proteins self replicate all the time. DNA and RNA are made out of proteins.

[Spartacus Sully]

Proteins self replicate all the time. DNA and RNA are made out of proteins.

they replicate from the state of DNA and RNA, not as free floating peptide strains.

here is an interesting article i came across

http://www.lifesorigin.com/self-repl...lecules-10.pdf

heres another interesting article

http://creation.com/self-replicating-enzymes

though a bit bias it does a good job at pointing out the issues involved in self replicating enzymes.

[squealpiggy]

they replicate from the state of DNA and RNA, not as free floating peptide strains.

here is an interesting article i came across

http://www.lifesorigin.com/self-repl...lecules-10.pdf

heres another interesting article

http://creation.com/self-replicating-enzymes

though a bit bias it does a good job at pointing out the issues involved in self replicating enzymes.

There are numerous competing theories about the origin of life from chemical origins, they are all compelling in some way and they are all lacking in certainty. Bother of the cargo-cult* science websites you have linked to have an alternative theory which is "magic sky wizard did it with magic". In science it is perfectly fair to say "we don't know". In fact the basis of all science is "we don't know". If science knew everything it would stop.

*cargo-cult science is a term based on the Cargo Cults of Papau New Guinea. When westerners first arrived on the island they built runways and control towers to enable planes to land. When the natives saw this they wanted to summon their own planes full of cargo from the sky so they built their own runways and their own control tower and even their own headsets and uniforms, out of local material and attempted to use them to call down these mysterious aircraft. In other words they gave the appearance of an airfield without actually understanding what an airfield was for.

Intelligent design is a cargo-cult science. It's total non-science but it's dressed up all sciencey. Its adherents believe that if you give the appearance of science then that makes it science. It isn't science because their alternative hypothesis is "magic sky wizard using his magic".

[Kenny MF Powers]

The cargo cult stuff is very interesting, hadnt heard of that till now.

Pretty wild stuff.