Originally posted by Johnwoo8686
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The winner of Ward-Dawson is no worse than #3 p4p?
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Originally posted by Bushbaby View PostI respectfully disagree. This is absolutely not the same as in Floyd's case. Ward beat the best fighters at 168, period. No one can argue that. It can however be argued that Floyd did not beat the best fighters at both 154/147. Quite easily I might add.
You can't compare Andre Ward's best weight class to Mayweather's worse. Mayweather came up 5 divisions so you can't blame him for not fighting everybody at 154. Ward has only came up once since beginning his career.
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Originally posted by the larryx View PostHe has beat better comp...Dawson went on a senior citizen tour and lost to Pacal
adamek, harding, tarver x2, hopkins, johnson x2, diaconu..
some of them might be old but they better than most of the guys ward fought even if they were younger. froch is the only win on wards resume that holds up to hopkins, tarver, adamek and johnson.
who else has ward beat on that level? abraham? kessler? bika? miranda? all good wins dont get me wrong, but not a single one as great as dawsons' seven or eight best wins.
ward has a very good resume, dawsons is significantly better.
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Originally posted by Johnwoo8686 View PostI think Floyd has beat everybody he's had to beat "while he was active." Mosley, Ortiz, even Baldomir we're all top ranked fighters at welterweight when he fought them. I personally feel he should've fought Cotto in 2008 but we can't change that. I don't blame him for not fighting Margarito because the biggest thing Margs in known for at this point is for being a cheater.
You can't compare Andre Ward's best weight class to Mayweather's worse. Mayweather came up 5 divisions so you can't blame him for not fighting everybody at 154. Ward has only came up once since beginning his career.
Ward however dominated everyone at 168 worth their accolades. (Bute was no worth his at all).
All in all, I do understand what you're saying I just believe the situations to be quite different.
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Originally posted by #1Assassin View Postwell thats not true, dawsons resume is clearly better than wards.
adamek, harding, tarver x2, hopkins, johnson x2, diaconu..
some of them might be old but they better than most of the guys ward fought even if they were younger. froch is the only win on wards resume that holds up to hopkins, tarver, adamek and johnson.
who else has ward beat on that level? abraham? kessler? bika? miranda? all good wins dont get me wrong, but not a single one as great as dawsons' seven or eight best wins.
ward has a very good resume, dawsons is significantly better.
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Originally posted by Check View PostI'd say so. I actually have Pac way down on the p4p rankings.
My rankings would be
1. Floyd
2. JMM
3. The winner of Ward/Dawson
4. Martinez
5. Pac
I don't see how anyone can have Pac in the top 2 spots. Time to stop living in the past and look at who he has beat and how he has beat them. It has been a very long time since I said wow, that guy is the best or the second best fighter in the world.
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