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Old 04-12-2009, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Southpaw16bf View Post
Actually after the Ayala defeat, Carlos Herrera went undefeated for the next 3 years and in those wins defeated decent fellow South American Alfredo Ruben Lucero stopping him in 8.
He went undefeated for 3 years because he retired for 3 years and came back in 1985, beating padded up Argentinean competition and losing 3 times by KO.

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You say Ayala Jr was far from the greatest Prospect like this is fact. Many people beside myself also think this including Promoter Bob Arum and legendary trainer Angelo Dundee. Both said he had the potential to be perhaps one of boxing's greatest fighters.
Bob Arum isn't exactly a good source to use. Like the old saying goes, if Bob Arum told me the sky was blue I'd look up and see it for sure.

Dundee bought into the Ayala Jr hype as did D'Amato to the Rosario hype. The fact is that there have been much better prospects in history.

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And you also say Ayala had only beaten one fighter in the rating. Well Mike McCallum was rated number #10 and had defeated no one in the rating, the same goes for Gary Guiden, and Charlie Weir two others who hand't beat no one in the rating at that time.
Charlie Weir beat a lot of people that Ayala Jr did and did it more impressively. He KO'd Gregory before Ayala did, KO'd Nicanar Camacho whom Ayala Jr went the distance with, KO'd Cheatham in 3 (Ayala did it in 6).

He also had wins over middleweights Mike Colbert and Kevin Finnegan who gave Marvin Hagler some of his toughest fights. Despite this he was only ranked number 6 while Ayala was number 2.

Mike McCallum beat a former champion Ayub Kalule in 1982 yet he was still not rated above Ayala Jr.

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You also always never mention how at 14 years of age he got the better of current WBA Welterweight Champion in Pipeno Cuevas, when no would spar Cuevas as he was known for breaking bones and knocking good fighters out in sparring. After the spar Cuevas called Ayala incredible. Now thats a specail fighter in my mind.
Those were only rumours. Cuevas was no more than 17-18 years old himself when he was knocking out world champions.

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