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Old 10-10-2007, 03:38 PM
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This is going to be long.

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ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:

1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.
Well let's start here with the obvies, God did not create man perfect. He created them in his own image, but that does not mean perfect. Now, we go to the tree of knowledge, well guess what if he didn't put the tree there in the firt place we would not have to deal with hell, further more, even with the tree being there was not enogh to get adam and eve to sin,he had to allow the snake to tempt/trick eve, if you belive that the snake is satan, then you have to concede that satan can not do anything without the approval of God, Satan can't do anything without the permision from God, this sound like God wanted humans to fail from the beguining. Now what is sin

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2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
This is stupid. If God is all powerfull, and all loving there is no need for hell, he has the power to forgive all sins without having to sacrifice Jesus.

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Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.
Your first sentece here is very interesting, I guess you have not read the book of Job. Take a look at job 2:3 I think you will find that it contradicts your first sentence, now let move on to the rest, You have this all wrong buddy. Jesus is the price for your sins. Which means that you do not pay for your sins, Jesus did that already, therefore God does not have to pardon any of your sins. This sounds like a cop out from the christian religion. And let get this right with your analogy of going to jail for a crime, you dont go to jail for every crime. It's funny how a loving God will send you to hell for lying. but will still bless you for having 800 concubines.

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3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)

Here we go, this is the reason I cant go with the traditional christian world view, you are not accountable for your actions. I will do what I want, when I want and the only thing I need to do is accept Jesus as my personal savior and I will go to heaven. Well guess what, this means that if Hittler accepted Jesus in his heart 5 min before he died he would also be in Heaven, how is that fair??? The guy that rapes little children also get to go to heaven? yes, is that fair? God is all knowing and powerfull, where was he when the 5 year old little girl was getting raped? if you ask me that is the greates sin of them all, knowing and not acting to protect and therefore not worthy of worship.

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You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.
That is what the bible wich is bull, live a life or murder, rape and so on, and you still go to heaven like the people that did as much as they could to do right by everyone else.

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Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.
Hell no, for the reason that I have stated above, in order to accept Jesus you would have to belive that God is worthy of worship and obviesly hi is not. Having all the power, knowledge and not doing anything to protect the ones that cant protect themselvs makes him a hypocrit. Answer this, if you know 100% that I was going to kill my neighber this afternoon at 3 pm. and you did not notify the police, what do you think would happend to you? I can tell you that you would be charged with accesory to 1st degree murder and would go to jail. There is no differece between that analogy and what God does. He knows what people will do and does nothing to protect the once that cant protect themselve.



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DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

This I do belive this, and I think it was unnesesary if God is all powerfull and loving.

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4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
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