Join Date: Oct 2010
Quoted: 469 Post(s)
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frazier might be a bit high, given his physical limitations, but he's got one of the best wins of all time at the weight in his UD over muhammad ali in '71. additionally he's got the weight of two stoppage losses to foreman weighing on his rating. he's as tough as they come, though, and he was durable over the course of a fight and usually in dog shape.
wladimir's chin is pretty bad. he's never taken a big punch that makes me say "damn, this guy can take a shot." virtually all other great HW have shown that characteristic.
his style, size, and his jab would make it a rough go, though. he's strong enough to tie almost anybody up if they get close, but there are moments when he's vulnerable, and you've got to figure that a great HW is going to put one on his chin.
vitali lost his two biggest fights, and you've got to take into consideration that he's never shown to have an incredibly durable body. he couldn't make it through a full training camp for almost four years when his body should have been at it's peak. for all of his gangliness, though, vitali did have some skills, some steam on his right hand in his prime, and a great chin. he's got a bonafide beard, and you've got to punch up to get there, and get by his long arms and funky defense.
johnson might have trouble as well, but at 12 you've got a lot of guys ahead of him, so the ranking is fair. johnson had a style based on being a bigger guy. he'd stay at a distance an pick off punches. when he got close he'd use his strength and hold guys easily. at his best he was 185 lbs. i was 185 lbs when i was 17 years old... men have gotten a hell of a lot bigger in 100 + years. 6'1". 74" reach. that's the size of bernard hopkins, with about 10 - 20 extra natural lbs.