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Old 11-26-2012, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
that's the point, it did show
Pac's legs, his speed, and his stamina are going fast
Floyd's legs are going, he's fresher than Pac is otherwise
why are you so desperate to prop them up?
Pac will be done after Marquez 4, if JMM don't win Pac's next foe will
Floyd will last longer despite being older due to his style
but he's fading too, and cares nothing about making good fights
they're no longer deserving of the hype they get



this isn't a new opinion, been saying it for a yr now Turbo
You think Floyd looks that much different against Cotto than he did against Mosley or Marquez, as far as speed/footwork/overall ability??? The difference may have been the opponent. Marquez doesn't lead well, and when Floyd forced him to lead, Floyd just countered him easily and out boxed him all night. Cotto wasn't going to just let Floyd out box him, which he did several times during the fight in the center of the ring. Cotto has the style to pressure Floyd and is big enough to keep him on the ropes. Marquez wasn't going to pressure and pressure Floyd and keep him trapped on the ropes, not his style. And though Mosley was a great fight at the time Floyd fought hi, he was the #3 P4P fighter and #2 WW coming off a huge win, he was past it completely and it showed against Floyd. Floyd didn't use his legs AT ALL in that fight and just walked him down easily. Cotto has something left, unlike Mosley, and knows how to pressure much better than Marquez, who's a counter puncher first. Floyd legs, hand speed, and overall ability was the same in May 2012 as it was in 2009-2010. Was it the same as 2007......no, but they were hyping Floyd-Manny to death in 2010, and Floyd is about the same guy he was back in 2010.

You think Manny is so much different against Bradley as he was against Clottey and Margarito??? I agree Manny's slipped a bit since 2009, but he looks more or less the same fighter who won UD's against Clottey and Margarito. The difference.....Clottey and Margarito stood right in front of him the whole fight, they basically just ate punch after punch from Manny. That's why those fights were so damn easy for Manny. No one is going to beat Manny standing and attempting to trade with him. They will get KO'd or get hit over and over and lose a UD. Marquez always troubles Manny, using his footwork and defense to neutralize Manny's offense, and counters him. Bradley also used his feet more against Manny and used defense to neutralize Manny's offense at times. Still Bradley when he did attempt to stand and trade with Manny, he ate left hands all night.

I'm sorry but you can't be faded and past it, and still be beating Top 10 P4P fighters or going up in weight and beating the #1 fighters in that division.
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