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Old 11-13-2012, 02:42 AM
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Default Frazier V Marciano

I see it all the time, Marciano hovering around number 6-8 on ATG lists, Frazier at 7-10. Usually lower than Marciano.

But how does one justify putting Marciano above Frazier?

Let's look at their resume of wins, off the top of my head (if I forget any, please prompt me to add them)

Bonavena x2
Chuvalo
Quarry x2
Ellis x2
Ali
Bugner
Jones
Mathis
Machen (past his best)

Versus

Walcott x2
Charles x2
Cockell
Moore
La Starza x2
Layne
Louis (far past his best, about the same quality fighter as Machen was at this stage)

The best win in either list is far and away Muhammad Ali. Louis was shot to pieces at that stage.

Marciano and Frazier both went undefeated for 7 years. Frazier was far quicker to step up in competition and overall I would say had the better competition and the better single win (by a significant margin).

Just to wander into the completely subjective, I believe Frazier is also the better fighter H2H. I think FOTC Ali would've decisioned Marciano and Foreman would bounce both Frazier and Marciano off the canvas until the ref stepped in, on the same night if he had to.

Let's try keep this civil. I know some ****tards entertain the idea that if you choose a black fighter over a white fighter, you're a racist. But this section is almost always better than that.
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