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Old 07-06-2011, 06:54 PM
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I don't think you exactly got where I was coming from but then again I didn't really spend a lot of time explaining...

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Originally Posted by paulf View Post
You're seriously trying to argue the left wing and politics had something to do with this? That's ridiculous.

ARE YOU KIDDING? Blind or just unwilling to see it? This is not one or two random teachers we're talking about. You're telling me they're not trying to cover up failed policies?

The teachers are changing grades to secure their jobs, schools, and make their superiors happy so they'll keep their jobs too. Just like any job. These teachers are fighting a battle they know they can't win, so they said "**** it" and just changed the grades so they can stay employed. Teachers are always the scapegoat, when in reality it comes down to parenting (or lack thereof).
Have a spine and don't generalize. Parents are absolutely responsible. The responsibility also squarely lies on those willing to excuse the teachers "because they're always scapegoats". Be clear, we're talking about the bad teachers (which these are). They should be fired. But will they be? And why will they not be fired?

Kids that come from poor, one parent household who live with a mother who's always working/grandmother/ect are way way wayyy behind kids that come from middleclass/two-parent households. And the disregard shown by these teachers whose actions IMO are fueled by politics amplifies that very problem. Again, this wasn't one or two random teachers. They're willingness to sweep the problems under the rug drastically hurts these communities they profess to help. Firing bad teachers and rewarding/ advancing only the better teachers isn't exactly possible. You're telling me politics has nothing to do with it?

Teachers are handed kids with no basic, fundamental education on anything and are expected to magically get these kids caught up, that's what I'm pointing out. These teachers are cheating while others turn their head and pass these students. No accountability for these teachers or the students. when they have no parents assisting them in making the child study or do homework, and the kids face little or no consequences when they perform badly because their parents just aren't as active in their kids school affairs. They can't win, and they often give up.

Blaming a political movement is a cop out. Better teachers and more money won't fix anything. This is a social problem in America, and it's not going to be solved within the education system. It has to be solved within the community itself. Pretending a political movement doesn't control the current sate of the educational system and then not holding it accountable is THE true cop out. And feeling sorry for peoples circumstances together with a lowering of standards and expectations is where your well intentions fail. Better teacher WILL help (are you kidding?). Holding people accountable will help. This issue will never be fully rectified with the type of parenting most of these kids get (we'll always agree there) which is therefore that much more vital to employ the good teachers and get rid of the bad ones. Take politics out (as much as possible) from the educational system (like that could really happen). But when you have the left more concerned with implementing gay and non-gender courses and and you have teachers fueled by politics and acting as they did in this article, things aren't on their way to getting any better any time soon. Understand that if conservatives were running the school system and this is what we had I'd be just as opposed to the way it's being run
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