Joe Calzaghe officially number 3 on the P4P list now

[Dan...]

Is Kessler greater than these fighters P4P?

11. Ivan Calderon
12. Ulises Solis
13. Ricky Hatton
14. Joan Guzman
15. Wlad Klitschko
16. Juan Diaz
17. Shane Mosley
18. Juan Manuel Lopez
19. Steve Molitor
20. Paul Williams
Joel Casamayor
Nonito Donaire
Edwin Valero
Jorge Linares
Joshua Clottey
Arthur Abraham
Sam Peter

Not in the top 20 I say.

What decent wins has Shane had over the past 2 years?
Sam Peter? Are you ****ing serious? What he beats an old and semi-shot fat Toney and then two old average journeyman and he is ranked higher than Kessler?
I would also have him ahead of Abraham, Casa, JuanMa, Molitor, Juan Diaz, Hatton.
He is easily top 20 for mine, let alone top 25.

[badboypeenoy]

kessler just beat sartisson who was undefeated. casamayor had 3 losses come on now. much better win for kessler.

Casamayor fought a prime Corrales, Castillo, Frietas, and Marquez all of which were former P4P listers... his record against elites 2(1KO)-4(1KO). The Castillo he fought beat Mayweather in a lot of fans eyes, the Frietas he fought practically knocked everbody out. Kessler only fought one P4P lister and his performance ******. Is Kessler an elite? No he's just a good boxer. Now, is Casamayor an elite? Yes. He held the Ring Magazine belt didn't he?

[Dan...]

Casamayor fought a prime Corrales, Castillo, Frietas, and Marquez all of which were former P4P listers... his record against elites 2(1KO)-4(1KO). The Castillo he fought beat Mayweather in a lot of fans eyes, the Frietas he fought practically knocked everbody out. Kessler only fought one P4P lister and his performance ******. Is Kessler an elite? No he's just a good boxer. Now, is Casamayor an elite? Yes. He held the Ring Magazine belt didn't he?

I started a new thread in your honour. Check it out.

[Fox McCloud]

What decent wins has Shane had over the past 2 years?
Sam Peter? Are you ****ing serious? What he beats an old and semi-shot fat Toney and then two old average journeyman and he is ranked higher than Kessler?
I would also have him ahead of Abraham, Casa, JuanMa, Molitor, Juan Diaz, Hatton.
He is easily top 20 for mine, let alone top 25.

I think Hatton is above him to be honest... Beating Tszyu is better than anything Kessler has done, and losing to Mayweather > losing to Calzaghe, even if it is just by a bit.

Also, Juan Diaz's resume is way ahead of Kessler's. That one is not close IMO.

[badboypeenoy]

What decent wins has Shane had over the past 2 years?
Sam Peter? Are you ****ing serious? What he beats an old and semi-shot fat Toney and then two old average journeyman and he is ranked higher than Kessler?
I would also have him ahead of Abraham, Casa, JuanMa, Molitor, Juan Diaz, Hatton.
He is easily top 20 for mine, let alone top 25.

I'd place him below Arthur. I think the only reason people are hyping Kessler is because he's on Calzaghe's resume and Calzaghe needs a solid win over an elite...sadly the only "elite" on his resume is a faded Bernard Hopkins (who knocked him down and practically beat him in the eyes of a lot of fans), so I think Calzaghe fans are trying to convince the world that Kessler is an "elite" which obviously he isn't.

[Fox McCloud]

Casamayor fought a prime Corrales, Castillo, Frietas, and Marquez all of which were former P4P listers... his record against elites 2(1KO)-4(1KO). The Castillo he fought beat Mayweather in a lot of fans eyes, the Frietas he fought practically knocked everbody out. Kessler only fought one P4P lister and his performance ******. Is Kessler an elite? No he's just a good boxer. Now, is Casamayor an elite? Yes. He held the Ring Magazine belt didn't he?

Casamayor is old as **** though, and has looked worse than a fat chick sober in his last two fights.

Also, think about his ring belt... Got it from a guy who was KO'd in his last fight (Corrales). Corrales didn't win another fight after that. Then he took a year off, came back, and looked horrible, losing that fight in everyone's eyes except two judges and Don Omega's. Then he was getting beaten by a no skill idiot in Katsidis. He looked okay tonight, but... really, Casamayor was a couple years removed of being truly elite. A remnant who no one had been able to "beat", or at least come away with a win against him if you know what I mean.

[Dan...]

I think Hatton is above him to be honest... Beating Tszyu is better than anything Kessler has done, and losing to Mayweather > losing to Calzaghe, even if it is just by a bit.

Also, Juan Diaz's resume is way ahead of Kessler's. That one is not close IMO.

You are probably right. I find I do overrate Kessler a little bit just because I am a pretty big fan. Its funny because I have previously started threads attacking his resume and using it as justification for him not being in the top 10 p4p. Hatton I think is close. The Tzsyu win was years ago now, and I think his recent wins have been against fairly ordinary position. I agree it is close though.

[Fox McCloud]

I'd place him below Arthur. I think the only reason people are hyping Kessler is because he's on Calzaghe's resume and Calzaghe needs a solid win over an elite...sadly the only "elite" on his resume is a faded Bernard Hopkins (who knocked him down and practically beat him in the eyes of a lot of fans), so I think Calzaghe fans are trying to convince the world that Kessler is an "elite" which obviously he isn't.

What the hell has Arthur Abraham done that is so great?

Edison Miranda? Wow... Not impressed, really.

[badboypeenoy]

I started a new thread in your honour. Check it out.

I also saw that you aren't even man enough to find out if he is within top 20 nyahahahah!!! Of course he's within top 25. HE IS #25! Misleading thread dude.

[badboypeenoy]

What the hell has Arthur Abraham done that is so great?

Edison Miranda? Wow... Not impressed, really.

He's "unbeaten" you put a premium on that remember?