The difference between "style" and "attribute".

[VG_Addict]

OK, I made this thread because a lot of people are misusing the word "style", so I thought I'd clear things up.

I hear people use the word, "style", when they really mean, "attribute". I hear this most often in a hypothetical Floyd-Khan fight. People go on about how Khan's "style" will trouble Floyd, but all I hear about is Khan's speed.

Speed is an attribute, not a style. A style is how a fighter fights. A style would be an outside fighter, an inside fighter, a brawler, etc. An attribute is a physical tool that a fighter has, such as speed or power.

If you said, "Khan has the TOOLS to trouble Floyd", that would be more accurate.


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[arraamis]

OK, I made this thread because a lot of people are misusing the word "style", so I thought I'd clear things up.

I hear people use the word, "style", when they really mean, "attribute". I hear this most often in a hypothetical Floyd-Khan fight. People go on about how Khan's "style" will trouble Floyd, but all I hear about is Khan's speed.

Speed is an attribute, not a style. A style is how a fighter fights. A style would be an outside fighter, an inside fighter, a brawler, etc. An attribute is a physical tool that a fighter has, such as speed or power.

If you said, "Khan has the TOOLS to trouble Floyd", that would be more accurate.

This has been a public service announcement.

I agree with some of what you have written.

Since you referenced Khan () I'll deal with the point made "Khan has the TOOLS to trouble Floyd".

Based on evidence (Video of past fights) and not wishful thinking, Khan doesn't have the tools to upset anyone who is disciplined, patient, accurate and versatile.

Khan has good hand speed and he is fast on his feet, but in the trenches Khan makes critical errors that can and will be exploited by the more experienced boxers. The only reason Khan has done so well with these underlying faults goes to his hand speed and footwork. (If you can call running around the ring footwork -- But I digress!) You can off-times estimate a fighter's ability by watching him against different styles. And Khan seem to have problems (in spite of his attributes) with the slowest and the most unskilled. And this goes to those faults that have remained in his boxing game, and remains unchecked.

Khan has a very bad habit of leaping in while displaying the bow & arrow fault -- His head is high and his body angled drawing one arm back as he delivers a shot with the other. His shots are always delivered coming from the pectoral area of his body which leaves his head exposed. He always gets caught with overhand shots, which imply that he is not keeping his hands high enough to guard with one, while punching with the other.

Now, let turn our attention to how Floyd fights and how he would neutralize Khans fighting style. Let's say that Khan does his usual leaping in to throw a combo with his head high and drawing his arms too far back. Floyd leans back as Khan leaps in, allowing Khan's shots to catch nothing but shoulder and back, then countering as Khan's combo is finished. This would be the endless pattern of the fight!!!

Floyd will walk forward, in his shell letting Khan get off shots to his shoulder, while countering and countering him to death. Then eventually Khan is going to slow down and start using the ropes -- Again Floyd is going to patiently get in tight and counter the crap out of Khan to a easy win.

Khan is going to get frustrated with not landing anything meaningful, and he will become over-anxious leading to more and more mistakes being made.

This is how I see the fight playing out -- So even though Khan has fast hands and fast footwork, he makes entirely too many mistakes to really bother a seasoned, experienced Floyd.

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Now let's look at Khan's past opponents .... Name one past opponent that hasn't given Khan hell during a fight? I can only think of two Barrera and Judah. All the other fights Khan has been in have been a struggle and this is with B\C-Level opponents.

Has Khan fought an A-level opponent yet? (No!!!!)

So, how does the illusion take hold that Khan will somehow trouble one of the best boxer's out there today??????????

It all comes down to fantasy and the lack of understanding when it comes to boxing match-ups. Khan should have been breezing through every opponent he's faced to date .... Given his hand speed and footwork. But he hasn't and at some point reality should come to the forefront, that Khan still has a way to go to really trouble the ELITES!!!!

[The Gambler1981]

Style would be how you use your attributes.

[arraamis]

Style would be how you use your attributes.

I believe "Style" is a cumulation of physical attributes. Most trainers (The good ones) will look at a fighters physical attributes and work them into a style that fits.

As an example:
Can you imagine a finesse\slick fighting Mike Tyson? (That style wouldn't fit his attributes) He had massive power, so his style was catered to his strengths.

[The Gambler1981]

I believe "Style" is a cumulation of physical attributes. Most trainers (The good ones) will look at a fighters physical attributes and work them into a style that fits.

As an example:
Can you imagine a finesse\slick fighting Mike Tyson? (That style wouldn't fit his attributes) He had massive power, so his style was catered to his strengths.

Style goes way beyond physical attributes and has a lot to do with what someone wants to do. Most guys have simple styles that play to their physical strengths but that is not really a bad thing in a fight, a guy doesn't need that many moves to be effective if they are good at them.

The trainer thing is right but talent will find a way to prosper, Paul Williams could not fight tall a lick but he had enough other attributes to craft a style that worked for him. However, he could have been a total monster say had he hooked up with Manny Steward when he was very young.

[hoo's necks]

Semantics...:smileysex

[SeekDaGreat]

When they say Khans style, they mean a boxer *who is quick* that can crack, and puts together nice combos. Something that Floyd avoids like the plague, just to sTay on topic.

They believe Khans style of keeping his distance and landing a lot of crisp punches will trouble Floyd.

His speed is only an attribute (like you said) to his style.

No one thinks Khan would do anything to Floyd on just speed alone. And if they do, they're out of their mind.

[Uklad]

When they say Khans style, they mean a boxer *who is quick* that can crack, and puts together nice combos. Something that Floyd avoids like the plague, just to sTay on topic.

They believe Khans style of keeping his distance and landing a lot of crisp punches will trouble Floyd.

His speed is only an attribute (like you said) to his style.

No one thinks Khan would do anything to Floyd on just speed alone. And if they do, they're out of their mind.

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[Elroy1]

Unfortunately for Khan, he has now developed to the point where he joins the Pac club.

As soon as a fighter graduates to the point where they could bash Mayweather, they are smeared and ducked for the rest of their career or Floyds.

Floyd should be given 24 months to meet such fighters and if he fails, those guys like Pac and Khan should automatically register a WIN by RTD vs Floyd.

It's only fair!

[Showtime..]

Attributes that trouble Floyd would be speed, endless stamina, constant attack, odd attack; any combination of those 4 would & have given him fits.

Yes, there's quite a difference between the two. Attributes are certain tools you are exceptional at I.E. Footwork, power. Styles are your way of fighting somebody. Either being a certain style all the time like being a counter-puncher for example, or you could adapt your style of fighting depending on your opponent if you don't excel at the style your best at and assume a style that you know would give your opponent fits even if it isn't your suited style. You can be very good at the 1 style you know, but being able to adapt to another on the fly if you face your stylistic nightmare that shuts you down is essential. I.E. Maidana did nothing to combat Alexander's style which shut him down.

I like Bradley because he flips to what works in fights, or at-least what he believes would work.