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col Blake
12-02-2006, 12:03 PM
Who do you think was the worst British boxer ever, Boxers who challenged for or won a title despite the lack of talent.
Kirkland Laing
Adrian Dodson
Chris Oko
Crawford Ashley
Billy Hardy
Paul Ryan
Ryan Rodes
Johnny Nelson
Pele Reid
Garry Delaney
Steve Foster
Charlie Shepard
Could anyone else add to this list.

rooq
12-02-2006, 12:16 PM
Who do you think was the worst British boxer ever, Boxers who challenged for or won a title despite the lack of talent.
Kirkland Laing
Adrian Dodson
Chris Oko
Crawford Ashley
Billy Hardy
Paul Ryan
Ryan Rodes
Johnny Nelson
Pele Reid
Garry Delaney
Steve Foster
Charlie Shepard
Could anyone else add to this list.

not ryan rhodes. i haven't seen some of the other people fight.

Mr. Ryan
12-02-2006, 03:49 PM
Francis Ampofo

Shanus
12-02-2006, 04:37 PM
Neville Brown.

Verstyle
12-02-2006, 04:38 PM
frank bruno:tapedshut

FeelTheA-Force
12-02-2006, 04:42 PM
frank bruno:tapedshut

bruno was pretty solid.. thou :puppy_dog

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12-02-2006, 04:47 PM
Bruno was ard, just not as much a Tyson

Flagellum Dei
12-02-2006, 05:08 PM
Who do you think was the worst British boxer ever, Boxers who challenged for or won a title despite the lack of talent.
Kirkland Laing
Adrian Dodson
Chris Oko
Crawford Ashley
Billy Hardy
Paul Ryan
Ryan Rodes
Johnny Nelson
Pele Reid
Garry Delaney
Steve Foster
Charlie Shepard
Could anyone else add to this list.

Naseem Hamed
Lloyd Honeyghan
Takalou
Jon Thaxton
Henry Wharton
David Starrie
Wally Swift
Nicky Piper
Gary Jacobs
Matthew Corbett

FeelTheA-Force
12-02-2006, 05:20 PM
Naseem Hamed
Lloyd Honeyghan
Takalou
Jon Thaxton
Henry Wharton
David Starrie
Wally Swift
Nicky Piper
Gary Jacobs
Matthew Corbett

how is David Starie crap ??

u must be stupid..

Flagellum Dei
12-02-2006, 08:06 PM
how is David Starie crap ??

u must be stupid..

Maybe you should learn to read, the question asked was 'who do you think'; 'think' being the keyword. I think David Starie is over-rated, that is my opinion, therefore that is what I 'think'! Maybe you should visit the DFES website to find out where your local reading/comprehension classes are!

Shanus
12-02-2006, 08:46 PM
Naseem Hamed
Lloyd Honeyghan
Takalou
Jon Thaxton
Henry Wharton
David Starrie
Wally Swift
Nicky Piper
Gary Jacobs
Matthew Corbett

Your opinion has been negated by having Naseem Hamed on that list.

Verstyle
12-02-2006, 09:18 PM
for those that took me serious i was joking about frank bruno

Dapperpessimist
12-02-2006, 09:28 PM
Who do you think was the worst British boxer ever, Boxers who challenged for or won a title despite the lack of talent.
Kirkland Laing
.


Kirkland Laing was a great talent, I don't know a lot about him, but from the little i've seen of him and what i've heard, he was a huge underachiever.

esponda
12-02-2006, 11:58 PM
Maybe you should learn to read, the question asked was 'who do you think'; 'think' being the keyword. I think David Starie is over-rated, that is my opinion, therefore that is what I 'think'! Maybe you should visit the DFES website to find out where your local reading/comprehension classes are!

:owned: .............

Tong Po
12-03-2006, 12:05 AM
Danny Williams vs. Vitali Klitschko. :tapedshut

King Reese
12-03-2006, 01:08 AM
none was really that good. personally

Flagellum Dei
12-03-2006, 07:27 AM
Your opinion has been negated by having Naseem Hamed on that list.

Here we go again with the insults, but you drop the S and H from your name (leaving anus) if you truly believe Hamed was good, read my other post regarding the WBO!

col Blake
12-03-2006, 08:33 AM
you could add Henry Akinwande, Steve Collins, cornelius Carr, Herbie Hide, Joe Bugner.

AJ53
12-03-2006, 08:53 AM
howard clarke
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=7832

rooq
12-03-2006, 11:27 AM
having lloyd honeyghan on that list is just plain crazy-talk. he went over to the states and won the unified title against an undefeated american...

i used to like hamed..at the begining he was more funny than idiotic...but then the balance started to shift towards idiocy and he turned into a complete nob most people wanted to see knocked out. but you still can't doubt his skills and power.

Flagellum Dei
12-03-2006, 03:00 PM
having lloyd honeyghan on that list is just plain crazy-talk. he went over to the states and won the unified title against an undefeated american...

i used to like hamed..at the begining he was more funny than idiotic...but then the balance started to shift towards idiocy and he turned into a complete nob most people wanted to see knocked out. but you still can't doubt his skills and power.

Other than power Hamed had no real skills, footwork, balance, defence hand speed, and conditioning were all pretty average! Barrera made him look like a street fighter, and a poor one at that!

As for Honeyghan, he had a career defining fight, and couldn't emulate that performance or success! Hey even Joe Bugner had a couple of excellent performances! Look at Bruno when he won the title - a one off !

col Blake
12-03-2006, 03:19 PM
Other than power Hamed had no real skills, footwork, balance, defence hand speed, and conditioning were all pretty average! Barrera made him look like a street fighter, and a poor one at that!

As for Honeyghan, he had a career defining fight, and couldn't emulate that performance or success! Hey even Joe Bugner had a couple of excellent performances! Look at Bruno when he won the title - a one off !
Honeyghan***8217;s career peaked against Curry, then fell to pieces shortly after, claiming floating bones in his hands. Joe Bugner a British *** of convenience boxer who fought out Buda knows how many different countries, was not boxer but a mere athlete who was convinced to box by some numpty. Bomber Graham had more talent that Hamed could ever hope for but just didn***8217;t have the killer mentality, making him a poor spectacle not to dissimilar to Audrey Harrison.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 05:32 AM
Your opinion has been negated by having Naseem Hamed on that list.

How can you negate an opinion? An opinion is a personally held belief, and it is my belief that Hamed was over-rated!

The moment you can 'negate' an opinion, it becomes fact (the two are very different)! I understand that you're British and therefore probably have a poor standard of education (I mean that respectfully, i'm not trying to be rude), but the lack of communication and literacy skills displayed is astounding!

gangland_kingpi
12-04-2006, 05:53 AM
I dont know who the worst British boxer of all time is but we (as in Britain) can lay claim to one of the most boring Heavyweight fighters of all time. Thats right ppl big, stupid, boring and lucky Lennox Lewis! How this man ever held a title is beyond me. Dont get me wrong I woudn't say it to his face but I would rather watch re-runs of Malcolm in the middle than watch this "brit" fighter.

MickyHatton
12-04-2006, 06:10 AM
How can you negate an opinion? An opinion is a personally held belief, and it is my belief that Hamed was over-rated!

The moment you can 'negate' an opinion, it becomes fact (the two are very different)! I understand that you're British and therefore probably have a poor standard of education (I mean that respectfully, i'm not trying to be rude), but the lack of communication and literacy skills displayed is astounding!

You may not admit to being rude but you obviously know you are!

How can you insult someone based on their perceived 'poor standard of education' then say that you do not mean to be rude?

This is a forum to debate the subject of boxing not the perceived standard of education or correct use of the English language.

If Britain has a weak standard of education then there isn't much down for the rest of the world, we as a nation produce a high percentage of the worlds greatest scholars, engineer's, writers, poets, scientists, designers etc and have a good standard of education generally across the board (in comparison to many of the worlds countries)

I suspect you know all of this anyway but just enjoy the fallout from your comments.

How about some personal feedback from you on your background, your obviously opinionated (which is your entitlement) but seem hellbent on winding up the British even though I suspect your British yourself!

gangland_kingpi
12-04-2006, 07:00 AM
[QUOTE=Flagellum Dei;1963461]How can you negate an opinion? An opinion is a personally held belief, and it is my belief that Hamed was over-rated!

The moment you can 'negate' an opinion, it becomes fact (the two are very different)! I understand that you're British and therefore probably have a poor standard of education (I mean that respectfully, i'm not trying to be rude), but the lack of communication and literacy skills displayed is astounding![/QUOTE

How can you say that British people are poorly educated we have some of the best educational facilities in the world. Ignorant, very ignorant. It seems to me that you ought to be going back to school and by the way anyone can use a spellchecker!!!!!! And there's a capital I in I'm, moron.

adamk1304
12-04-2006, 08:58 AM
you could add Henry Akinwande, Steve Collins, cornelius Carr, Herbie Hide, Joe Bugner.

Collins isn't british. I agree with hide, he was complete and utter trash. Watching vitali dismantle him was hilarious.

col Blake
12-04-2006, 10:27 AM
Collins might be a mick, but but he made most of his money in england. He is just the same as the americans, Welsh, scotch and the Criminally minded Australians they all state they hate the English but deep down they really wish they were English. You always try to emulate your superiors.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 11:02 AM
[QUOTE=Flagellum Dei;1963461]How can you negate an opinion? An opinion is a personally held belief, and it is my belief that Hamed was over-rated!

The moment you can 'negate' an opinion, it becomes fact (the two are very different)! I understand that you're British and therefore probably have a poor standard of education (I mean that respectfully, i'm not trying to be rude), but the lack of communication and literacy skills displayed is astounding![/QUOTE

How can you say that British people are poorly educated we have some of the best educational facilities in the world. Ignorant, very ignorant. It seems to me that you ought to be going back to school and by the way anyone can use a spellchecker!!!!!! And there's a capital I in I'm, moron.

Actually, the British are the least educated of all industrial nations (and the population as a collective have the lowest intelligence scores) and that's a FACT, check the research (The 7 Nations Basic Skills study, and the Moser report 1999; then check Fryer 1997, Dearing 1997 and Kennedy reports. Not to mention the work by Brynner and Parson's and MANY government impact surveys) - goon!

As for educational facilities, most University students can't even read properly and have the maths abilities of 9 - 11 year olds FACT! Do your research before offering a statement next time will you (idiot)! It appears that it is YOU that is ignorant, look at the measures that the government are introducing to help you read and write correctly! And spell-checker should be hyphenated. You obviously possess no real formal qualifications!

Moreover, 'i'm' is not a spelling mistake, it is grammatical, besides which, in the context I intended a small 'i' may be used d'uh! This is a boxing forum idiot (learn to read), if you can't make any valid boxing related contributions, then keep quiet. You may disagree with what I say thats your opinion, but they at least my comments/contributions are boxing related!

col Blake
12-04-2006, 11:23 AM
[QUOTE=gangland_kingpi;1963503]

Actually, the British are the least educated of all industrial nations (and the population as a collective have the lowest intelligence scores) and that's a FACT, check the research (The 7 Nations Basic Skills study, and the Moser report 1999; then check Fryer 1997, Dearing 1997 and Kennedy reports. Not to mention the work by Brynner and Parson's and MANY government impact surveys) - goon!

As for educational facilities, most University students can't even read properly and have the maths abilities of 9 - 11 year olds FACT! Do your research before offering a statement next time will you (idiot)! It appears that it is YOU that is ignorant, look at the measures that the government are introducing to help you read and write correctly! And spell-checker should be hyphenated. You obviously possess no real formal qualifications!

Moreover, 'i'm' is not a spelling mistake, it is grammatical, besides which, in the context I intended a small 'i' may be used d'uh! This is a boxing forum idiot (learn to read), if you can't make any valid boxing related contributions, then keep quiet. You may disagree with what I say thats your opinion, but they at least my comments/contributions are boxing related!
Can't help thinking my thread has been hijacked, but British educational standards are the lowest in the industrial Europe. It has nothing to do with boxing or maybe it has as most boxers come from the most impoverished parts of the country. Even Ireland a country that can***8217;t come up with a proper name for it***8217;s self ( I wish I was English would be a good idea) has by-far some of the best education facilities in the world, If I had a choice I would study there and the standard of living is far better that in England.
P.S keep it to boxing not girly name calling, or better still lace up the old gloves and slug it out

Jazzy Paul
12-04-2006, 11:42 AM
Anybody who puts Honeyghan and Hamed amongst 'the worst British boxers of all time' have no right to contribute to this thread.

Ok, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but seriously, this borders on the absolute ridiculous.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 12:03 PM
Anybody who puts Honeyghan and Hamed amongst 'the worst British boxers of all time' have no right to contribute to this thread.

Ok, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but seriously, this borders on the absolute ridiculous.

LOL! How can someone be entitled to an opinion, but then be told that they have no right to express it how does that work (Master Ace lol)? Seriously though, Honeyghan had one great fight granted, but Hamed was average at best, made to look good against poor opposition!

col Blake
12-04-2006, 12:06 PM
and your the Oracle when it comes to boxing, one great win doesn***8217;t make you a great fighter, his hand injury may have something to with his fall from grace, but he was not a great boxer, in the mould of John conti, Henry Cooper Nigel Benn or Michael Watson.
What borders On the ridiculous is your name, I bet you were called handsome Jeff when you younger, and you thought people meant it.

Jazzy Paul
12-04-2006, 01:24 PM
The title of the thread is "worst British boxer of all time", is it not?

Where did I state that either Honeyghan or Hamed are great fighters? Exactly....I did not. I am merely stressing that it is ignorant at best to suggest either Honeyghan or Hamed are amongst the worst British boxers of all time.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 01:41 PM
The title of the thread is "worst British boxer of all time", is it not?

Where did I state that either Honeyghan or Hamed are great fighters? Exactly....I did not. I am merely stressing that it is ignorant at best to suggest either Honeyghan or Hamed are amongst the worst British boxers of all time.

Not quite young man, the question asked was 'who do you think', yea? And I think Honeyghan and Hamed were pretty bad! You state that anyone placing these two boxers in this catergory had no right to offer a contribution/opinion (which is a pretty strong statement), thus implying that you thought that these boxers were above average at the very least!

Jazzy Paul
12-04-2006, 01:43 PM
Not quite young man, the question asked was 'who do you think', yea? And I think Honeyghan and Hamed were pretty bad! You state that anyone placing these two boxers in this catergory had no right to offer a contribution/opinion (which is a pretty strong statement), thus implying that you thought that these boxers were above average at the very least!
So you do not believe that they are above average then?

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 01:47 PM
Not quite young man, the question asked was 'who do you think', yea? And I think Honeyghan and Hamed were pretty bad! You state that anyone placing these two boxers in this catergory had no right to offer a contribution/opinion (which is a pretty strong statement), thus implying that you thought that these boxers were above average at the very least!

You should be banned from this site from not Thinking Honeygan and Hamed weren't above average. They were both very good and could never be ranked as the worst. The raggamuffin had a short but devastating reign at Welter and beat Curry when he was one of the pound for pound best. He had a great right hand IMO.

col Blake
12-04-2006, 02:20 PM
You should be banned from this site from not Thinking Honeygan and Hamed weren't above average. They were both very good and could never be ranked as the worst. The raggamuffin had a short but devastating reign at Welter and beat Curry when he was one of the pound for pound best. He had a great right hand IMO.
Why did they build the Mercedes plant so close to the University of Alabama?
Because they have an endless supply of crash test dummies right down the road.

I bet you live in a caravan, thats a trailer to you.
Don Curry was crap after that, as was Honeygan, Hamed packed in after one defeat. both knowing that boxing was for them.

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 02:23 PM
Why did they build the Mercedes plant so close to the University of Alabama?
Because they have an endless supply of crash test dummies right down the road.

I bet you live in a caravan, thats a trailer to you.
Don Curry was crap after that, as was Honeygan, Hamed packed in after one defeat. both knowing that boxing was for them.

They we're still above average. Curry was king **** until Honeygan beat him. It was a huge upset at the time.

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 02:25 PM
Why did they build the Mercedes plant so close to the University of Alabama?
Because they have an endless supply of crash test dummies right down the road.

I bet you live in a caravan, thats a trailer to you.
Don Curry was crap after that, as was Honeygan, Hamed packed in after one defeat. both knowing that boxing was for them.

A trailer joke how clever. Bring on an incest joke now you unoriginal bastard you. Honeygan blitzed Hatcher and Bumphus and it is true he had little more than a right hand.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 02:29 PM
You should be banned from this site from not Thinking Honeygan and Hamed weren't above average. They were both very good and could never be ranked as the worst. The raggamuffin had a short but devastating reign at Welter and beat Curry when he was one of the pound for pound best. He had a great right hand IMO.

Again, even if you didn't indicate that you were British, you could tell instantly from those idiotic/aggressive remarks! Just because your government tells you what to do, say and think (like little drones) doesn't mean that other people can't express an opinion! You seem to have a hard time dealing with anyone who offers an alternative perspective, many societies are given the option to think for themselves you know; without being told what to do, say and think!

Thus, AGAIN it is my opinion that these two boxers were average only! If you really believe that Hamed was great, then you have been caught up in the hype - which doesn't surprise me , you not being able to think for yourself!

Jazzy Paul
12-04-2006, 02:35 PM
Thus, AGAIN it is my opinion that these two boxers were average only! If you really believe that Hamed was great, then you have been caught up in the hype - which doesn't surprise me , you not being able to think for yourself!

So if it is YOUR opinion that these two boxers are average only why would you dispute the fact that they should not be classed amongst the worst British boxers of all time?

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 02:35 PM
Again, even if you didn't indicate that you were British, you could tell instantly from those idiotic/aggressive remarks! Just because your government tells you what to do, say and think (like little drones) doesn't mean that other people can't express an opinion! You seem to have a hard time dealing with anyone who offers an alternative perspective, many societies are given the option to think for themselves you know; without being told what to do, say and think!

Thus, AGAIN it is my opinion that these two boxers were average only! If you really believe that Hamed was great, then you have been caught up in the hype - which doesn't surprise me , you not being able to think for yourself!

You included them in the worst and I can think on my own. I was using the banning part to show the fact I disagree. I did not buy into the hype of Hamed and saw his flaws from the get go. Lloyd was a one handed fighter but he was not the worst and was an overacheiver. I will give you average or slightly better. I never said they were great. Hamed was shown to be a frontrunner who couldn't handle when oppisition got pissy with him like Barrera.

col Blake
12-04-2006, 02:38 PM
A trailer joke how clever. Bring on an incest joke now you unoriginal bastard you. Honeygan blitzed Hatcher and Bumphus and it is true he had little more than a right hand.
Touched a raw nerve did I matey, Honeyghan got destroyed off Adrian Dodson one of the worst boxers I have ever seen, enough said.
You might be right Honeyghan wasnít one off the worst boxers in Britain he was from Jamaica. What do you call an Alabama farmer with a sheep under each arm?
a pimp.

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 02:42 PM
Touched a raw nerve did I matey, Honeyghan got destroyed off Adrian Dodson one of the worst boxers I have ever seen, enough said.
You might be right Honeyghan wasnít one off the worst boxers in Britain he was from Jamaica. What do you call an Alabama farmer with a sheep under each arm?
a pimp.

Southern jokes don't hit a nerve so don't flatter yourself newbie.They are lame and unoriginal. If I was lame like you I would make bad teeth jokes. I an not that unoriginal. How do you castrate a man from North Alabama?Kick his sister in the chin. You can use that one moron. Honeyghan was washed up by Dodson so your point is what?

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 02:46 PM
You included them in the worst and I can think on my own. I was using the banning part to show the fact I disagree. I did not buy into the hype of Hamed and saw his flaws from the get go. Lloyd was a one handed fighter but he was not the worst and was an overacheiver. I will give you average or slightly better. I never said they were great. Hamed was shown to be a frontrunner who couldn't handle when oppisition got pissy with him like Barrera.

Why bann someone that you disagree with? I don't understand that mentality, surely it would be easier and more informed to simply state that you disagree and state your reasons and rationale for disagreement!

I have offered cogent and constant arguments in every post I have erm well, posted! I truly believe that Hamed was average at best, he only ever fought one world class boxer and was destroyed, if Barrera had started as he finished the fight, then Hamed would have been hospitalised! Whereas Honeyghan had one great fight, but then what?

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 02:48 PM
Why bann someone that you disagree with? I don't understand that mentality, surely it would be easier and more informed to simply state that you disagree and state your reasons and rationale for disagreement!

I have offered cogent and constant arguments in every post I have erm well, posted! I truly believe that Hamed was average at best, he only ever fought one world class boxer and was destroyed, if Barrera had started as he finished the fight, then Hamed would have been hospitalised! Whereas Honeyghan had one great fight, but then what?

I was joking about the banning part. This site would be boring if everyone agreed with each other.

col Blake
12-04-2006, 02:50 PM
Southern jokes don't hit a nerve so don't flatter yourself newbie.They are lame and unoriginal. If I was lame like you I would make bad teeth jokes. I an not that unoriginal. How do you castrate a man from North Alabama?Kick his sister in the chin. You can use that one moron. Honeyghan was washed up by Dodson so your point is what?
What do you call a genius at Alabama?
Visitor.
what about his defeats against mark breland and Pazienza, he was at his so called peak then and he stilled got thumped.

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 02:56 PM
What do you call a genius at Alabama?
Visitor.
what about his defeats against mark breland and Pazienza, he was at his so called peak then and he stilled got thumped.

He was so not at his peak against Paz, he had been attacked by a sparing partner with a hammer and was not even supposed to fight again. His legs were gone against Vinny at that point. Don't rewrite history. I have no argument over the Breland fight.

TRANSWARP
12-04-2006, 02:57 PM
Why bann someone that you disagree with? I don't understand that mentality, surely it would be easier and more informed to simply state that you disagree and state your reasons and rationale for disagreement!

I have offered cogent and constant arguments in every post I have erm well, posted! I truly believe that Hamed was average at best, he only ever fought one world class boxer and was destroyed, if Barrera had started as he finished the fight, then Hamed would have been hospitalised! Whereas Honeyghan had one great fight, but then what?

If hamed is so average or crap enough to be considered as the worst british fighter off all time, why then did barrera need to change his style to beat him genius?...

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 03:01 PM
If hamed is so average or crap enough to be considered as the worst british fighter off all time, why then did barrera need to change his style to beat him genius?...

Very good point. Hamed beat a plethora of good fighters Robinson, Vasquez, Medina, Johnson, Soto, Kelley, McCullough and Bungu. They are acting like he never fought anyone up to Barrera.

col Blake
12-04-2006, 03:02 PM
because Barrera is a class fighter numbnuts.

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 03:05 PM
because Barrera is a class fighter numbnuts.

What about the other fighters I mentioned above those wins don't count. Numbnuts good one ****face. Can you disagree without calling name. We all know Barrera is a class fighter Burt Sugar? State the obvious please.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 03:10 PM
What about the other fighters I mentioned above those wins don't count. Numbnuts good one ****face. Can you disagree without calling name. We all know Barrera is a class fighter Burt Sugar? State the obvious please.

Difference was that all those fighters were past their best! Barrera was a world class fighter who could comfortably adapt/change his style to destroy Hamed! No one is disputing Hamed's power, but let's be honest his best punches bounced off Barrera! As a pre-caution Barrera changed his style, but in retrospect he didn't have to.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 03:12 PM
If hamed is so average or crap enough to be considered as the worst british fighter off all time, why then did barrera need to change his style to beat him genius?...

see my post above

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 03:15 PM
Difference was that all those fighters were past their best! Barrera was a world class fighter who could comfortably adapt/change his style to destroy Hamed! No one is disputing Hamed's power, but let's be honest his best punches bounced off Barrera! As a pre-caution Barrera changed his style, but in retrospect he didn't have to.

I can't disagree with you on them being past their best but he fought the best competition available you must agree.

col Blake
12-04-2006, 03:19 PM
Robinson choked, Medina was told not to leave his corner possible fix i think,
McCullough was to light hamed still could'nt stop him, lucky as **** against Kelley bungu is crap
What is the difference between a litter of puppies and Alabama fans?
The puppies stop whining after 6 weeks.

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 03:22 PM
Robinson choked, Medina was told not to leave his corner possible fix i think,
McCullough was to light hamed still could'nt stop him, lucky as **** against Kelley bungu is crap
What is the difference between a litter of puppies and Alabama fans?
The puppies stop whining after 6 weeks.

You about as British as Erik Morales. A Brit would not know that joke. Have you also developed a phony internet british persona.

Dapperpessimist
12-04-2006, 03:24 PM
It's a well known fact that the majority of British people like to discredit and criticize their own sportsmen and women. I don't know whether British people have a bigger tendancy to be jealous, or whether it's the British media overhyping their sports starts, but it's something that seems to be a British cancer.

I have a feeling threads like these are not really about whether or not such and such a fighter was overrated, or the worst British champion, but just weak excuses to stick the knife in. It's ironic because a lot of Americans on these internet forums actually think most British fans are die-hard supporters of their own boxers.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 03:31 PM
It's a well known fact that the majority of British people like to discredit and criticize their own sportsmen and women. I don't know wheather British people have a bigger tendancy to be jealous, or wheather it's the British media overhyping their sports starts, but it's something that seems to be a British cancer.

I have a feeling threads like these are not really about wheather or not such and such a fighter was overrated, or the worst British champion, but just weak excuses to stick the knife in. It's ironic because a lot of Americans on these internet forums actually think most British fans are die-hard supporters of their own boxers.

Actually, I would disagree! Benn, Lewis, Eubank, Watson, Woods etc are/were considered great!

Regarding sticking the knife in, thats not correct, it's about people sharing their opinions with others and generating discussion! Are you honestly telling me that you support a man like Herbie Hide to win? He was rude, arrogant and a bully! Whether he's British or not, nobody wants a man like that to win!

You're right about the British media over-hyping sports personalities though, just as they do with everything else!

col Blake
12-04-2006, 03:34 PM
You about as British as Erik Morales. A Brit would not know that joke. Have you also developed a phony internet british persona.
I got the jokes from AL.com,
I'm as english as mad cows diseases pal, tell you the truth I could'nt find Alabama on a map. just having a bit of fun, you give me most of the ammo.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 03:38 PM
I got the jokes from AL.com,
I'm as english as mad cows diseases pal, tell you the truth I could'nt find Alabama on a map. just having a bit of fun, you give me most of the ammo.

I heard these Alabama jokes,

Q. Why did they build the Mercedes plant so close to the University of Alabama?
A. Because they have an endless supply of crash test dummies right down the road.

Q. What was the last thing David Housel said to Terry Bowden?
A. Don't let the door knob hit you in the head!

Q. What do a Divorce in Alabama, a Tornado in Kansas and a Hurricane in Florida have in common?
A. Somebody's fixin' to lose them a house trailer.

Q. Why did OJ Simpson want to move to Alabama?
A. Everyone has the same DNA.

Only joking

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 03:41 PM
I got the jokes from AL.com,
I'm as english as mad cows diseases pal, tell you the truth I could'nt find Alabama on a map. just having a bit of fun, you give me most of the ammo.

I started thinking you must have googled them. Good ones and the puppies part is true.

col Blake
12-04-2006, 03:48 PM
don't understand the puppies one, but it sounds good.

Jazzy Paul
12-04-2006, 03:49 PM
So col Blake and Flagellum Dei....you don't disagree with me at all when I say that Hamed and Honeyghan are far from the 'worst British boxer's of all time'?

That's a good thing.

col Blake
12-04-2006, 03:53 PM
So col Blake and Flagellum Dei....you don't disagree with me at all when I say that Hamed and Honeyghan are far from the 'worst British boxer's of all time'?

That's a good thing.
not the crapest but they are'nt kicking the arse of it though.

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 03:55 PM
don't understand the puppies one, but it sounds good.

Alabama football fans like me are always whining and living off past glorys.

Dapperpessimist
12-04-2006, 03:55 PM
Actually, I would disagree! Benn, Lewis, Eubank, Watson, Woods etc are/were considered great!

Regarding sticking the knife in, thats not correct, it's about people sharing their opinions with others and generating discussion! Are you honestly telling me that you support a man like Herbie Hide to win? He was rude, arrogant and a bully! Whether he's British or not, nobody wants a man like that to win!

You're right about the British media over-hyping sports personalities though, just as they do with everything else!

All I ever see on internet forums [Some of them], newspaper sports texts/letters sections, Teletext sports letters etc, is people trying to discredit their own fighters, or saying they're overrated etc, in such a way that it's easy to tell it's hatred. Things like ''Lennox Lewis was only an ordinary fighter, he would never have been successful in the 1970's, he just beat a shot Tyson.'', or ''Hatton is rubbish he only beat a shot Tyszu, he will be murdered by Mayweather''

A boxers personality has nothing to do with acknowledging their talent. A lot of people, myself included, don't particularly like James Toney, but to deny the man dosen't have talent, would be blind hatred. So yes, not wanting a man to win is one thing, but talent is another thing. I think Carl Froch is an absolute ****, but I wouldn't say the guy has no talent just because I think he's a prick.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 04:03 PM
So col Blake and Flagellum Dei....you don't disagree with me at all when I say that Hamed and Honeyghan are far from the 'worst British boxer's of all time'?

That's a good thing.

Of course you can't say the worst British boxers of all time, as there has been 10's of 1000's of British boxers that we have never even heard of i.e. boxers who may have only have 5 bouts etc!

But of all the more well known boxers, I would definately say that Hamed was very poor, and Honeyghan had one night of glory, just as Williams did against Tyson!

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 04:06 PM
Of course you can't say the worst British boxers of all time, as there has been 10's of 1000's of British boxers that we have never even heard of i.e. boxers who may have only have 5 bouts etc!

But of all the more well known boxers, I would definately say that Hamed was very poor, and Honeyghan had one night of glory, just as Williams did against Tyson!

I still don't think you are given raggamuffin enough cred. He starched Bumpus and Hatcher who were pretty good fighters. And looked good in the Jorge Vaca rematch.

Flagellum Dei
12-04-2006, 04:07 PM
All I ever see on internet forums [Some of them], newspaper sports texts/letters sections, Teletext sports letters etc, is people trying to discredit their own fighters, or saying they're overrated etc, in such a way that it's easy to tell it's hatred. Things like ''Lennox Lewis was only an ordinary fighter, he would never have been successful in the 1970's, he just beat a shot Tyson.'', or ''Hatton is rubbish he only beat a shot Tyszu, he will be murdered by Mayweather''

A boxers personality has nothing to do with acknowledging their talent. A lot of people, myself included, don't particularly like James Toney, but to deny the man dosen't have talent, would be blind hatred. So yes, not wanting a man to win is one thing, but talent is another thing. I think Carl Froch is an absolute ****, but I wouldn't say the guy has no talent just because I think he's a prick.


We weren't talking about raw talent though, we were talking about sticking the knife in! And I would never support Herbie Hide to win any fight! I think that Lewis was tremendous, but there are others that would disagree, boxing is a subjective sport! I mean look at how many people reckon Hamed was great, don't see it myself though!

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 04:07 PM
He was so not at his peak against Paz, he had been attacked by a sparing partner with a hammer and was not even supposed to fight again. His legs were gone against Vinny at that point. Don't rewrite history. I have no argument over the Breland fight.

No response to this?

col Blake
12-04-2006, 04:22 PM
I left out Antony Farrnell very very poor fighter and a attitude that matches his ability.

BuddyChacon
12-04-2006, 04:24 PM
I left out Antony Farrnell very very poor fighter and a attitude that matches his ability.

Michael Gomez was pretty bad, Ring magazine had him as up and coming prospect years ago. Though he did upset Alex Arthur.

col Blake
12-04-2006, 04:31 PM
Michael Gomez was pretty bad, Ring magazine had him as up and coming prospect years ago. Though he did upset Alex Arthur.
Something we agree on Michael Gomez looked good at first, beating an arrogant Arthur, which was the making of Arthur, he might have thrown the fight against peter McDonagh don't know if he got his purse, or if he will fight again.

col Blake
12-05-2006, 04:53 AM
I forgot to add Lou Gent, and Slugger O'Tool, aka Fidel Castro Smith. They started thier careers as journey men. I did'nt rate Michael brodie but he would'nt make my top ten of poor fighters, i think at his peak he would have beaten Hamed.

Likely_Lad
12-05-2006, 05:28 AM
Ryan Rhodes was way overhyped off the back of Naz, he never hit the heights he thought he deserved!

col Blake
12-05-2006, 10:43 AM
Ryan Rhodes was way overhyped off the back of Naz, he never hit the heights he thought he deserved!
The boxers Ryan Rhodes fought if you can call them boxers, to claim the Lonsdale belt out right was scandalous, Wank Warren was pulling them of the street so Rhodes could claim to be the youngest ever to defend the title three times. I had to stop him from grabbing my Great, great grandfather for the last fight.

col Blake
12-06-2006, 06:13 AM
How the hell did Garry Jacobs ever get a world title shot, I know scotland can't produce good boxers but he really was crap.

Franko
12-06-2006, 08:37 AM
How can you negate an opinion? An opinion is a personally held belief, and it is my belief that Hamed was over-rated!

The moment you can 'negate' an opinion, it becomes fact (the two are very different)! I understand that you're British and therefore probably have a poor standard of education (I mean that respectfully, i'm not trying to be rude), but the lack of communication and literacy skills displayed is astounding!

A thread titled 'Worst British Boxer of All Time' should not include Naseem Hamed. That is obvious to most I'm sure! It may very well be YOUR opinion that Hamed was over rated, but he certainly wasn't average, and certainly should not be mentioned when discussing 'The worst british boxer of all time! Maybe you should 'educate' yourself a little more on Hamed before posting 'opinions' about him.

Flagellum Dei
12-06-2006, 11:56 AM
A thread titled 'Worst British Boxer of All Time' should not include Naseem Hamed. That is obvious to most I'm sure! It may very well be YOUR opinion that Hamed was over rated, but he certainly wasn't average, and certainly should not be mentioned when discussing 'The worst british boxer of all time! Maybe you should 'educate' yourself a little more on Hamed before posting 'opinions' about him.

*Yawn* whatever! Erm, the fact that he chose to fight chumps, or fighters past their best is education enough ! The fact that the words 'who do you think' were mentioned would in fact suggest that opinion was to be used, how else could you tangibly measure who actually was the worst British boxer *I despair, I really do* ! Maybe you should just educate yourself in general!

You acknowledge my opinion, then state that I should educate myself, ermm yet another paradox (look it up, I have to use that word a lot here) - hey you've already educated yourself!

BuddyChacon
12-06-2006, 11:58 AM
A thread titled 'Worst British Boxer of All Time' should not include Naseem Hamed. That is obvious to most I'm sure! It may very well be YOUR opinion that Hamed was over rated, but he certainly wasn't average, and certainly should not be mentioned when discussing 'The worst british boxer of all time! Maybe you should 'educate' yourself a little more on Hamed before posting 'opinions' about him.

I made great Hamed points don't cha think. He was over rated a little. He was well above average IMO though.

Flagellum Dei
12-06-2006, 12:38 PM
I made great Hamed points don't cha think. He was over rated a little. He was well above average IMO though.

Hamed had great power, no one is disputing that and few boxers at the weight could stand up it to, just like Frank Bruno at heavyweight! However that does not make Hamed an above average boxer, as soon as he fought a fighter with nous he was literally destroyed, and was made to look really stupid!

MickyHatton
12-06-2006, 12:51 PM
Hamed had great power, no one is disputing that and few boxers at the weight could stand up it to, just like Frank Bruno at heavyweight! However that does not make Hamed an above average boxer, as soon as he fought a fighter with nous he was literally destroyed, and was made to look really stupid!

I wouldn't go that far, Hamed was an above average boxer the problem he had was that MAB was an exceptional all round box fighter who on the night fought the correct fight.

I honestly believe if Naz had stopped all of the hype, trained harder and worked on the fundamentals more than relying on his punch than he would have been unbeatable as he had exceptional speed and reflexes to match his power.
Unfortunately he didn't so.....

Franko
12-06-2006, 01:20 PM
*Yawn* whatever! Erm, the fact that he chose to fight chumps, or fighters past their best is education enough ! The fact that the words 'who do you think' were mentioned would in fact suggest that opinion was to be used, how else could you tangibly measure who actually was the worst British boxer *I despair, I really do* ! Maybe you should just educate yourself in general!

You acknowledge my opinion, then state that I should educate myself, ermm yet another paradox (look it up, I have to use that word a lot here) - hey you've already educated yourself!

Do you practice being a p*ick? I stated that it may very well be your opinion that Hamed is over rated and that's the only acknowledgement i gave. The 'fact' that Hamed chose to fight Barrera proves that he didn't choose to fight chumps! Yes, he'd have fought his fair share like any other fighter, but you weren't clear on that. The likes of Vazquez and Kelley were past their best but they certainly weren't chumps, but you can say that every fighter has fought fighters past their best, that's a fact!
The words 'Who do you think?' shouldn't be used in reference to Naseem Hamed when discussing the worst british boxer of all time. That much is clear to the 'average' boxing enthusiast. Hamed seemed to neglect his work, especially when he left Brendan Ingle, but the Naseem Hamed that beat Steve Robinson was theoretically capable of testing any featherweight in history in my 'opinion', and this is something i have stated on other threads. Education would tell you that Steve Robinson, although not a great fighter, was no chump, and i'd like to know who exactly it is you would label a chump on the career record of Naseem Hamed. Sure, he fought his fair share like any other fighter, but i'm sure that none of them were as big a chump as you, despair on that!

Flagellum Dei
12-06-2006, 01:27 PM
I wouldn't go that far, Hamed was an above average boxer the problem he had was that MAB was an exceptional all round box fighter who on the night fought the correct fight.

I honestly believe if Naz had stopped all of the hype, trained harder and worked on the fundamentals more than relying on his punch than he would have been unbeatable as he had exceptional speed and reflexes to match his power.
Unfortunately he didn't so.....

I disagree, his hand speed was average, whereas his balance and footwork were terrible ! Hamed trained harder for the Barrera fight than for any other, his only redeeming feature was his power, leaving him a very one-dimentional and limited fighter! If Hamed was so good why didn't he change his tactics after the first 3 rounds - he must have known he was going nowhere? Answer; because he simply wasn't good enough to do so!

Hamed fell victim to his own hype, he actually believed he was the best! However, in the dressing room prior to the fight I think he realised his folly, he was terrified ! Are you seriously claiming that Hamed was better than Barrera or Morales? After a good hiding he went into retirement (don't mention the Calvo fight) and shyed away from any talk of a rematch, or a bout with Morales!

Flagellum Dei
12-06-2006, 01:41 PM
Do you practice being a p*ick? I stated that it may very well be your opinion that Hamed is over rated and that's the only acknowledgement i gave. The 'fact' that Hamed chose to fight Barrera proves that he didn't choose to fight chumps! Yes, he'd have fought his fair share like any other fighter, but you weren't clear on that. The likes of Vazquez and Kelley were past their best but they certainly weren't chumps, but you can say that every fighter has fought fighters past their best, that's a fact!
The words 'Who do you think?' shouldn't be used in reference to Naseem Hamed when discussing the worst british boxer of all time. That much is clear to the 'average' boxing enthusiast. Hamed seemed to neglect his work, especially when he left Brendan Ingle, but the Naseem Hamed that beat Steve Robinson was theoretically capable of testing any featherweight in history in my 'opinion', and this is something i have stated on other threads. Education would tell you that Steve Robinson, although not a great fighter, was no chump, and i'd like to know who exactly it is you would label a chump on the career record of Naseem Hamed. Sure, he fought his fair share like any other fighter, but i'm sure that that none of them were as big a chump as you, despair on that!

*yawn* again you're comments are senting me to sleep! Didn't Barrera step up from bantamweight to fight Hamed? There's Hameds angle, he believed because he could destroy featherweights he would easliy destroy a bantamweight, erm not true, he was given a boxing lesson which ultimately retired him - think on that!?! He dodged Barrera and Morales for ages! Were you there when Barrera challenged Hamed to sign a contract about 18 - 24months before the actual fight, which I may add Hamed and Warren refused!

Why do people like yourself never accept someone else's opinion, amd simply offer personal insults *by the way keep them coming, they are the only thing not sending me to sleep*, if you disagree then offer a rationale, which you have in part, I guess!
Oh, and the words 'who do you think' can be used in any context! Same time, same bat-channel!

MickyHatton
12-06-2006, 02:43 PM
I disagree, his hand speed was average, whereas his balance and footwork were terrible ! Hamed trained harder for the Barrera fight than for any other, his only redeeming feature was his power, leaving him a very one-dimentional and limited fighter! If Hamed was so good why didn't he change his tactics after the first 3 rounds - he must have known he was going nowhere? Answer; because he simply wasn't good enough to do so!

Hamed fell victim to his own hype, he actually believed he was the best! However, in the dressing room prior to the fight I think he realised his folly, he was terrified ! Are you seriously claiming that Hamed was better than Barrera or Morales? After a good hiding he went into retirement (don't mention the Calvo fight) and shyed away from any talk of a rematch, or a bout with Morales!



In a word no!
I was only stating that in my opinion he was an above average boxer with exceptional power!

Again I have to disagree with the point about his speed, at times his hand speed was exceptional, I do agree about his balance and footwork though!

As for his condition for the Barrera fight, as I understood it he spent more time pursuing 'outside' activities than training and if I recall correctly he hired a plush mansion to train out of and attended various 'celeb' functions in the states leading up to the fight!

col Blake
12-06-2006, 05:14 PM
the problem with Hamed was he believed in his own hype, the people around him built him up in to something he was not, a good fighter. Wank Warren and Brendan Ingle kept the circus rolling and hamed being money motivated from and early age something Asian people are renowned for, really thought he was that good His inability to read properly and general lack of intelligence made him an ideal money maker for unscrupulous promoters, Wank Warren even managed to split him from Ingle to only person who new how good he really was, in a sense he protected him and was stabbed in the back by the person who need him the most. Hamedís driving skills are matched by his boxing.

BuddyChacon
12-06-2006, 05:20 PM
the problem with Hamed was he believed in his own hype, the people around him built him up in to something he was not, a good fighter. Wank Warren and Brendan Ingle kept the circus rolling and hamed being money motivated from and early age something Asian people are renowned for, really thought he was that good His inability to read properly and general lack of intelligence made him an ideal money maker for unscrupulous promoters, Wank Warren even managed to split him from Ingle to only person who new how good he really was, in a sense he protected him and was stabbed in the back by the person who need him the most. Hamedís driving skills are matched by his boxing.

That driving skills was a lowblow, LMAO.

Flagellum Dei
12-06-2006, 07:25 PM
In a word no!
I was only stating that in my opinion he was an above average boxer with exceptional power!

Again I have to disagree with the point about his speed, at times his hand speed was exceptional, I do agree about his balance and footwork though!

As for his condition for the Barrera fight, as I understood it he spent more time pursuing 'outside' activities than training and if I recall correctly he hired a plush mansion to train out of and attended various 'celeb' functions in the states leading up to the fight!


We've talked about the difference between fact and opinion, and I know for a fact that Hamed only chose to box Barrera AFTER Barrera had been defeated! Whilst Barrera remained undefeated Hamed was terrified of him, and only took the fight as he believed that Barrera was on a downward slope! It's a pity some of those 'outside activities' didn't include driving lessons! Maybe Stevie Wonder could give him some driving tips, or how to dodge punches which he evidently didn't do to well in the Barrera fight! Maybe him and Richard Hammond can get together!

Talking of low blows I bet Hamed had plenty of them in prison!

col Blake
12-07-2006, 09:57 AM
i bet you he has to sit on a rubber ring from now on.

Flagellum Dei
12-07-2006, 01:57 PM
i bet you he has to sit on a rubber ring from now on.

Yea, I bet being a centre-fold spread in The Ring has a whole new meaning!

col Blake
12-07-2006, 02:01 PM
Yea, I bet being a centre-fold spread in The Ring has a whole new meaning!
unless He really prefers that sort of thing and the courts just done him a favour.

Piggu
12-07-2006, 08:20 PM
Your opinion has been negated by having Naseem Hamed on that list.

I was about to say that. How could Hamed be the worst British fighter of all time.

Katz
12-08-2006, 03:03 AM
Audley and Scott

col Blake
12-08-2006, 09:15 AM
their was a heavyweight called the brigton rock can't rember his real name as he was so crap, any help.

Flagellum Dei
12-08-2006, 09:53 AM
their was a heavyweight called the brigton rock can't rember his real name as he was so crap, any help.

Scott Welsh

col Blake
12-08-2006, 09:56 AM
thats him, so crap my brain must have blocked it out. Micheal Murry challeged for the British title a sorry excuss for a man.

heihaci
12-08-2006, 01:09 PM
the problem with Hamed was he believed in his own hype, the people around him built him up in to something he was not, a good fighter. Wank Warren and Brendan Ingle kept the circus rolling and hamed being money motivated from and early age something Asian people are renowned for, really thought he was that good His inability to read properly and general lack of intelligence made him an ideal money maker for unscrupulous promoters, Wank Warren even managed to split him from Ingle to only person who new how good he really was, in a sense he protected him and was stabbed in the back by the person who need him the most. Hamedís driving skills are matched by his boxing.


I find it funny that you talk about Hamed's lack of intelligence yet you think anyone who is browned skinned is asian.
Hamed is from Yemen which makes him an arab not asian!!

Franko
12-08-2006, 03:16 PM
[B]*yawn* again you're comments are senting me to sleep! Didn't Barrera step up from bantamweight to fight Hamed? There's Hameds angle, he believed because he could destroy featherweights he would easliy destroy a bantamweight, erm not true, he was given a boxing lesson which ultimately retired him - think on that!?! He dodged Barrera and Morales for ages! Were you there when Barrera challenged Hamed to sign a contract about 18 - 24months before the actual fight, which I may add Hamed and Warren refused!

Why do people like yourself never accept someone else's opinion, amd simply offer personal insults *by the way keep them coming, they are the only thing not sending me to sleep*, if you disagree then offer a rationale, which you have in part, I guess!
Oh, and the words 'who do you think' can be used in any context! Same time, same bat-channel!




First of all, my rationale from the offset has been that Naseem Hamed should not be brought into any conversation regarding the worst british boxer of all time, as in my 'opinion' he clearly does not fit into the catergory and you used his name when you posted a list on the subject. This is my opinion, regardless of the words 'who do you think?' being used in any context, why do you not accept that?
Also, before you question why i've resorted to insults i suggest you take another look through your posts on this thread! Is it not insulting to ridicule the education of someone who was only giving their opinion? Try to disguise that if you will but it is still insulting.

I'm not sure that it's a fact that Hamed only chose to fight Barrera after he had been defeated! Had this been the case then why didn't he fight him back in 1996, or 1997 when he was defeated not once, but twice by Junior Jones? That may have been as good a time as any, no? That's my opinion.

Flagellum Dei
12-08-2006, 03:49 PM
[B]




First of all, my rationale from the offset has been that Naseem Hamed should not be brought into any conversation regarding the worst british boxer of all time, as in my 'opinion' he clearly does not fit into the catergory and you used his name when you posted a list on the subject. This is my opinion, regardless of the words 'who do you think?' being used in any context, why do you not accept that?
Also, before you question why i've resorted to insults i suggest you take another look through your posts on this thread! Is it not insulting to ridicule the education of someone who was only giving their opinion? Try to disguise that if you will but it is still insulting.

I'm not sure that it's a fact that Hamed only chose to fight Barrera after he had been defeated! Had this been the case then why didn't he fight him back in 1996, or 1997 when he was defeated not once, but twice by Junior Jones? That may have been as a good a time as any, no? That's my opinion.


Right, you are using my own arguments now *yawn* I made the above arguments numerous times, is that your get out clause, as opposed to looking stupid? And I think it is you who didn't accept my opinion initially lol *critically analyse your previous comments*!

And as stated above it is FACTUAL that Hamed only chose to fight Barrera, once Barrera had been defeated - believe that or not I don't really care! There, you see I'm giving you the option to express an opinion!

LOL! I only insult those who insult me FIRST, i.e. YOU! If your reading skills were adequate then you would have observed this pattern! And as stated earlier how do you tangibly measure who actually was the worst British boxer of all time? I'll bet we have never even heard of 98% of all professional boxers over the past 30 years or so! So Is the worst boxer the person with the most defeats, erm no that wouldn't work, the least number of professional bouts, erm how so? The most wins against easy opposition erm, could be, define easy opposition though etc etc! LOL, it is subjective, if you're so intelligent then YOU devise a system as even the WBC get it wrong when they rank fighters - but not you apparently!

Yea I may be considered condescending by many, but people are all to quick to pro-offer personal insults and arguments without any cogent rationale or reason, you included!

Franko
12-08-2006, 04:17 PM
Right, you are using my own arguments now *yawn* I made the above arguments numerous times, is that your get out clause, as opposed to looking stupid? And I think it is you who didn't accept my opinion initially lol *critically analyse your previous comments*!

And as stated above it is FACTUAL that Hamed only chose to fight Barrera, once Barrera had been defeated - believe that or not I don't really care! There, you see I'm giving you the option to express an opinion!

LOL! I only insult those who insult me FIRST, i.e. YOU! If your reading skills were adequate then you would have observed this pattern! And as stated earlier how do you tangibly measure who actually was the worst Bristish boxer of all time? I'll bet we have never even heard of 98% of all professional boxers over the past 30 years or so! So Is the worst boxer the person with the most defeats, erm no that wouldn't work, the least number of professional bouts, erm how so? The most wins against easy opposition erm, could be, define easy opposition though! LOL, it is subjective, if you're so intellignet then YOU devise a system as even the WBC get it wrong when they rank fighters - but no you apparently!

Yea I may be considered condescending by many, but people are all to quick to pro-offer personal insults and arguments without any cogent rationale or reason, you included!

I'm not using your arguments at all, and my reading skills are adequate enough to know when someone posts utter b*llocks! Initially i gave my opinion! And don't feel i need to again. It was an opinion which i felt was obvious and which i feel that most would agree with, except yourself of course. It has f*ckall to do with devising a system to prove a point because i really cannot say for sure who i think was the worst british boxer of all time. Sure i'm man enough to admit that i can get things wrong! Who doesn't? But i don't feel i've got anything wrong on this thread.

Also, it's a fact that Hamed fought Barrera after defeat, that's obvious. But i'll express an opinion as i did regarding this on the previous post...
Had Hamed only chose to fight Barrera after he was defeated then why not choose to do so after he was defeated twice by Junior Jones in 1996 and 1997?

Flagellum Dei
12-08-2006, 06:28 PM
Yeah, yeah!

gangland_kingpi
12-08-2006, 06:38 PM
A thread titled 'Worst British Boxer of All Time' should not include Naseem Hamed. That is obvious to most I'm sure! It may very well be YOUR opinion that Hamed was over rated, but he certainly wasn't average, and certainly should not be mentioned when discussing 'The worst british boxer of all time! Maybe you should 'educate' yourself a little more on Hamed before posting 'opinions' about him.

You tell him Franko lad, lol well said. Naseem lacks heart not skill.

Flagellum Dei
12-08-2006, 06:40 PM
You tell him Franko lad, lol well said. Naseem lacks heart not skill.

*yawn* come back when you actually know something about boxing *second yawn*

Jazzy Paul
12-08-2006, 06:46 PM
Hamed was a very good fighter...to achieve what he did proves that beyond doubt.

To suggest he was merely 'average' at best, is ignorant.

Flagellum Dei
12-08-2006, 06:47 PM
Hamed was a very good fighter...to achieve what he did proves that beyond doubt.

To suggest he was merely 'average' at best, is ignorant.

lol Look at his record, fighters all past their best! Well, except Barrera and at the time he was considered to be on a downward slope! Oh, and what did he achieve, remind me please.

Jazzy Paul
12-08-2006, 07:18 PM
lol Look at his record, fighters all past their best! Well, except Barrera and at the time he was considered to be on a downward slope! Oh, and what did he achieve, remind me please.

Barrera obviously wasn't on the downward slope. You and me both know that.

Yes, agreed, Hamed did indeed box fighters who were past their best. No-one is disputing that. Most boxers fight fighters past their best.

I'm not claiming for a second that Hamed was something great. Absolutely not. He was severely flawed if you judge him in a text-book manner. He was so unorthadox, so unconventional...yet he still got results and his punching power can never be disputed.

I feel that he believed his own hype and lost focus long before he fought Barrera. Barrera is, without doubt, a great fighter and perhaps he would have always beaten Hamed. Hamed is NOT a great fighter and even with focus he probably never would have been.

However, I can't agree with any list that puts him in a bracket amongst the 'worst British boxers ever'. He was world class for a time...can you not agree with that?

Franko
12-09-2006, 11:39 AM
lol Look at his record, fighters all past their best! Well, except Barrera and at the time he was considered to be on a downward slope! Oh, and what did he achieve, remind me please.

More than you're achieving by continuing to post replies on this thread! Maybe you're just stubborn.
As i've said before, Hamed had all the potential to become a great! He wasted it, but that certainly doesn't mean that he was a below average fighter, on the contrary he was an awesome fighter, and your arguments as to otherwise show more flaws than the flaws you claim that Hamed had!
You continually state supposed 'facts' but are no good at disguising the fact that you've made a glaring error on this thread!
Now i'm not intending to 'insult' your intelligence, but i don't see the point in accepting or respecting an opinion when i think that the opinion is clearly ridiculous! Nevertheless, take that as an insult if you want to, as you've claimed that you only insult those who insult you first which i think is a fair comment in the right circumstances. However, i'm pretty sure that Shanus posted that your opinion had been negated by posting Hamed on a 'list' of boxers in reference to the worst of all time. Now let's not get back to the 'What do you think?' debate because Hamed's name shouldn't have featured on that list, and his wasn't the only one, therefore, the post by Shanus wasn't insulting IMO, it was fact. Hamed should not be mentioned in any context if it means he is being discussed in reference to the worst british boxer of all time!!! It doesn't take the most 'educated' boxing enthusiast to know that, but maybe it does need to be printed a few times before it eventually sinks in!

If you want to be reminded of what Hamed achieved then let's have a little look at some 'facts' to put closure on the discussion...

The fighters that Hamed has beaten who are far from chumps are as follows...

Vincenzo Belcastro, for the european bantamweight title in 1994.
Belcastro was a dangerous fighter, and many thought it may have been a step too far, too soon for Hamed. He outclassed Belcastro.

Steve Robinson, for the WBO featherweight title in 1995.
Robinson was no chump, and was not past his best, in FACT, many thought he would beat Hamed, not including the people of Wales.

Manuel Medina, in a title defence in 1996.
Medina was another who was no chump and no way near past his best. Obviously he later went on to win a title, and he gave Hamed a tough fight.

Tom Johnson, for the IBF and WBO title in 1997.
Johnson IMO was never going to test Hamed, but i wouldn't label him a chump.

Of course, i have already mentioned Wilfredo Vazquez and Kevin Kelley. Again, i expected Hamed to beat these two, because you expect a good champion to do that. Yes, maybe they were past their very best but they still represented a threat to Hamed.


Wayne McCullough, in a title defence in 1998.
How you could regard McCullough as either a chump or past his best is baffling. The man was a good fighter.

Paul Ingle, in a title defence in 1999.
Ingle was another good fighter who i think Hamed underestimated. He was no chump and not past his best and he tested Hamed.
It was tragic what happened to him, and he deserves more than to be labelled a chump.

Cesar Soto, for the WBO and WBC title in 1999.
A good solid pro. Neither great nor a chump.

Augie Sanchez, in a title defence in 2000.
Dangerous fighter, who was exposed due to his recklessness. A devestating KO ended this fight.

And then there was Barrera (but i've said enough about that) and Manuel Calvo. True, Hamed laboured to victory over Calvo and we haven't seen him box since. However, Hamed was far from average. He was a very talented fighter who never realised his full potential and believed in his own hype too much. IMO he made a mistake parting company with Brendan Ingle but i suppose it happens. You would think that Emmanuel Steward would be a more than capable replacement for Ingle, but Steward played only a bit part. Oscar Saurez was said to be the 'head trainer' which may lend weight to any argument that Hamed never progressed after leaving Ingle. IMO Hamed looked a better fighter under Brendan Ingle, and as i've stated before, he seemed to be neglecting his work.
However, this still doesn't disguise the 'fact' that he was an awesome fighter, who was no way near average, and that's final.