After the way B-Hop looked in his last fight (problems with movement, speed, and jabs) I really give J. Taylor a chance at knocking Hopkins off his throne right now. I know Taylor hasn't been tested but I still give him a very good chance. Hopkins is begining to look his age and if were he to get in the square circle with Tarver or Jones he would DEFINITELY get executed.

The Sky commentators were saying that a fight between Taylor & Howard Eastman was being ordered by one of the organisations, this would be a good fight for both & a natural would be the winner fights Hopkins, though Eastman's not the big profile fight that Hopkins is looking for.

The Sky commentators were saying that a fight between Taylor & Howard Eastman was being ordered by one of the organisations, this would be a good fight for both & a natural would be the winner fights Hopkins, though Eastman's not the big profile fight that Hopkins is looking for.

Wow that will be a really good fight. Howard has been wanting to prove himself for ages and Jermain is at the level where he wants bigger tests too. This should be amazing if it happens, whoever wins will definatly be worthy enough to fight Bernard because these two are the best middleweights out their apart from Bernard.

I don't see Eastman getting a shot at Hopkins though, it'll probably be a vacant title if Hopkins goes up in weight, still Eastman & Taylor are the 2 best at middleweight below Hopkins, it would really show us if Taylor is the real deal & maybe Eastman can sneak in there(taking for granted he'll take care of Sendra this weekend).

I don't see Eastman getting a shot at Hopkins though, it'll probably be a vacant title if Hopkins goes up in weight, still Eastman & Taylor are the 2 best at middleweight below Hopkins, it would really show us if Taylor is the real deal & maybe Eastman can sneak in there(taking for granted he'll take care of Sendra this weekend).

So very true, Eastman has been ready for a big fight for awhile now. It would be a crying shame if he were to get upset before this opportunity. If he beat Jermain that would earn him his respect in the states and world wide. I would hope he would get a shot at Bernard though if he did beat Taylor. Even though Eastman is British i wouldn't be too disappointed if Jermain Taylor won because i like him, he is a upcoming exciting fighter in my opinion

Eastman's been hanging around for a while now fighting for his European belt against lesser guys, Taylor's opposition hasn't been much better, i'm not totally sold on Taylor yet, i dont know what it is but as we said those two are the best of the lot so that's what we've got, it would be a good semi final match to decide the best contender, but will it happen?

Eastman's been hanging around for a while now fighting for his European belt against lesser guys, Taylor's opposition hasn't been much better, i'm not totally sold on Taylor yet, i dont know what it is but as we said those two are the best of the lot so that's what we've got, it would be a good semi final match to decide the best contender, but will it happen?

I hope it will but now Bernard has beaten the most respectable fighter on the planet i think he will want bigger things like Tarver or Roy. Bernard wants big names on his record now i'm sure and unfortunately that doesn't include either of these guys. I hope i'm wrong but thats how i would think if i was Bernard in his position now.

Yep that's why especially if Eastman won he wouldn't get a shot at Hopkins, too high a risk for very little reward seeing as it would probably be Hopkins 20th defence, Taylor is more viable, the young gun against the grizzled old veteran, i doubt Bernard will fight Tarver, too high in weight, if he can still basically do 154 then he shouldn't go up that high, if Jones comes down to 168 that would be a good one though i see it being a replay of the first fight with neither man wanting to make any mistakes (not that they do but you know what i mean)

I am not sold on Jermain Taylor yet, if he faught Bernad Hopkins next year I would say Hopkins would dominate him. If the fight with Eastman and Taylor happens I would give Eastman a slight edge, but mabey if Taylor beat a guy like Howard Eastman he could show guys like me that he is for real.

Yep that's why especially if Eastman won he wouldn't get a shot at Hopkins, too high a risk for very little reward seeing as it would probably be Hopkins 20th defence, Taylor is more viable, the young gun against the grizzled old veteran, i doubt Bernard will fight Tarver, too high in weight, if he can still basically do 154 then he shouldn't go up that high, if Jones comes down to 168 that would be a good one though i see it being a replay of the first fight with neither man wanting to make any mistakes (not that they do but you know what i mean)

I wonder why Bernard would mention fighting Tarver? Surely he has thought about the weight difference. That fight does seem impossible on paper but Bernard has made refernce to it several times. I know Tarver was calling him out, if they do ever meet i want to see Bernard re-arrange Tarvers face. I respect Tarver for beating Roy the way he did but Bernard is one of my favourite fighters and if Tarver where to beat him too i would be really gutted. I like Roy Jones alot, i think the man has amazing talents in the ring and it was a shame that he got beaten by one punch. Roy and Bernard would be a good fight, i could see it been a replay of the first fight. It would be nice for Bernard though because i dare say that is a defeat he wants to try and avenge just like James Toney did when he lost to Roy.

I am not sold on Jermain Taylor yet, if he faught Bernad Hopkins next year I would say Hopkins would dominate him. If the fight with Eastman and Taylor happens I would give Eastman a slight edge, but mabey if Taylor beat a guy like Howard Eastman he could show guys like me that he is for real.

So very true, whoever wins that fight will be proven to be the number one contender. A win would aid both fighter very well.

Hopkins v Toney that would have been a classic, too bad :mad:
It'd be interesting to see a Jones/Hopkins rematch after all these years, a lot has went on since then for both guys, the Johnson fight this week should give us an indication where Jones' head is at.

Hopkins v Toney that would have been a classic, too bad :mad:
It'd be interesting to see a Jones/Hopkins rematch after all these years, a lot has went on since then for both guys, the Johnson fight this week should give us an indication where Jones' head is at.

I think we will see Roy fully recharged. Hopefully Tarver did him a favour and brought back his motivation when he got beat by him. As for the Toney-Hopkins now you are talking my language, that would have been an amazing fight to see. Both fighters are are very aggressive and the style matchup would have been interesting too. I give Bernard the edge in speed but i'd give Toney the edge in power. He can punch from all angles but yet again if Bernard got him on the inside he may be able to make him pay. :D That fight sounds amazing. (By the way i was refereing to a middleweight Toney in that rant i just had) I watched his fight against Roy the other day, Roy was something else back then. I watched Toneys return bout against Montell Griffin too, i didn't know the result and i was shocked. I scored Toney winning that fight and the judges gave Montell the decision. Toney wasn't too upset though because that was his first fight a light-heavyweight.

If Jones tares through Glen Johnson like I say he will, who wins a fight between Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins at light heavy-- Even though Hopkins is on top of the boxing world right now, I would go with Roy.

I only read about the Griffin fights but it seems both were quite close especially the 2nd one, Toney v Hopkins? can't pick it i'm afraid :D
I think if Hopkins was to fight Jones again it would be at a catchweight, because both guys are known to be difficult in negotiations and wouldn't want to give any advantage to the other, i'd go for Jones as well if he's like his old self.

If Jones tares through Glen Johnson like I say he will, who wins a fight between Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins at light heavy-- Even though Hopkins is on top of the boxing world right now, I would go with Roy.

I'll wait until i see Roy fight this saturday before i say who would win just incase. :D

I only read about the Griffin fights but it seems both were quite close especially the 2nd one, Toney v Hopkins? can't pick it i'm afraid :D
I think if Hopkins was to fight Jones again it would be at a catchweight, because both guys are known to be difficult in negotiations and wouldn't want to give any advantage to the other, i'd go for Jones as well if he's like his old self.

Hey Barryboy do you want me to make you a James Toney tape? I have quite a few of his fights now, i admire his style alot. I'll make sure i do it for you this time if you do.

Hey Barryboy do you want me to make you a James Toney tape? I have quite a few of his fights now, i admire his style alot. I'll make sure i do it for you this time if you do.

Cheers bruv, give me a pm & let me know what you have.

Cheers bruv, give me a pm & let me know what you have.

Ok thats no problem at all, i have downloaded some cool stuff recently too and i can transfer it on to video from my computer. Thats how i got these James Toney fights. They are all very good quality, i will PM you what i have downloaded then you can pick what you want.

:cool: Thanks.

I don't think Taylor would give Bernard that much trouble. He's not much of a mover and I don't think he is that much quicker than Hopkins. Oscar gave Hopkins some trouble with his speed but not much. Bernard was still able to get to Delahoya. Bernard also has a very good jab when he gets it really going plus Hopkins is getting old but he is still far more experienced than Taylor. Besides Taylor always talks about fighting anybody but surely he should know he isn't ready for Bernard.

I don't think Taylor would give Bernard that much trouble. He's not much of a mover and I don't think he is that much quicker than Hopkins. Oscar gave Hopkins some trouble with his speed but not much. Bernard was still able to get to Delahoya. Bernard also has a very good jab when he gets it really going plus Hopkins is getting old but he is still far more experienced than Taylor. Besides Taylor always talks about fighting anybody but surely he should know he isn't ready for Bernard.

I agree he isn't ready yet. If he beat Eastman convincingly then i would say he was ready although Eastman is one of the best middleweights out their but even he is a few levels below Bernard skills wise in my opinion.

gonna be a good fight can't wait to see if old man Hops still has it

Man you have a rally bad track record. Hopkins dominated Tarver. Another bad pick.

Man you have a rally bad track record. Hopkins dominated Tarver. Another bad pick.

Dude, this was eons ago (2004)! Nobody can pick 100%, NOBODY. Sure I'm bound to get some wrong, but what about the ones I've got right?

Cotto - Judah
Mayweather - DLH
Marquez - Barrera
Calderon - Cazares
Torres - Arnautis
Malignaggi - N'Dou
Vazquez - Marquez I and II
Mosley - Vargas
Valero - Mosquera

And the list goes on and on. Post who you really are (I have an idea) and we can debate boxing knowledge like men, not when you're hiding behind a new name on this board. Punk!

I'm going to go smoke a Winston.

lol, nevermind, didn't see this was written in 04... hahaha

After the way B-Hop looked in his last fight (problems with movement, speed, and jabs) I really give J. Taylor a chance at knocking Hopkins off his throne right now. I know Taylor hasn't been tested but I still give him a very good chance. Hopkins is begining to look his age and if were he to get in the square circle with Tarver or Jones he would DEFINITELY get executed.

Oh yeah, Hopkins got executed by Tarver alright. :lol1:

Bah this fight still pisses me off. I haven't seen the first one, but Hopkins got robbed in the second one. He probably got robbed in the first too.

Bah this fight still pisses me off. I haven't seen the first one, but Hopkins got robbed in the second one. He probably got robbed in the first too.

I think Hopkins was robbed in the first, and lost the second. Taylor's the Champ now so I respect him, but I still don't think he did enough to take Hop's belt in their first fight. A draw at the very best for Taylor but certainly not a win either. A lot of people forget that when you fight the Champion it's up to you to convincingly take his belt and IMO Taylor did the bare minimum.

Rewatching the second again, I thought it was close, but I still scored it 115-113 for Hopkins. I compared my scorecards, and some were different, but I just don't see how he won.

he won cuz all the judges and dumb fans see is the fast long fashy punches of taylor that look so devistating.. but real fight fans kno its the short punches which can kill u