a great match up IMO, both have very good jabs, and speed. I see Louis winning by UD.

a great match up IMO, both have very good jabs, and speed. I see Louis winning by UD.

Holmes outboxes Louis, then gets knocked out late.

Louis ko 13.

Holmes outboxes Louis, then gets knocked out late.

Louis ko 13.

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joe louis finishes holmes in about eleven. joe is a far superior boxer than holmes.

joe louis by tko around the 10th

I really doubt this fight will go all the way, and two of the greatest jabs in heavyweight history on show here.

Louis ko Holmes in round 10

Louis TKO 11

louis by late ko

holmes had a perfect jab, louis did everything perfect. holmes has a lot of heart, louis stops him in around the 10th or 11th round

Joe Louis is WAY overated, he got dropped by guys like Tony Galindo. Holmes would embarass him all the way to a decision or get a stoppage.

Joe Louis is WAY overated, he got dropped by guys like Tony Galindo. Holmes would embarass him all the way to a decision or get a stoppage.

Joe Louis overated? oh my

Tony Galento would have given Holmes all he could handle. Holmes would beat him, as Louis did, but not as quickly and not with the same savagery.

Joe Louis is WAY overated, he got dropped by guys like Tony Galindo. Holmes would embarass him all the way to a decision or get a stoppage.

Overrated? No way.

So what if he got dropped off a few journeymen. No-one said he had a granite chin did they? He was a great boxer and had one of the most fearsome jabs in history, alongide Holmes. He was also a ring master and knew what to do in any given situation and he had serious KO power.

I'm just saying, if guys like Buddy Baer, Joe Walcott, and Tony Galindo had enough power to put Louis down. Guys like Frazier, Foreman, and Tyson have the to power to put him down and out.

People say he is the second best, I dont think he could have beat Lewis, Foreman, Frazier, Tyson because of his chin. He was good, but not second best overall.

If Galento landed his left hook on anyone's chin they'd most likely go down. Tyson, Lewis, Ali, etc.

For a "great" fighter, Louis got dropped by alot of people that werent even world class.

For some one that did "everything perfect" he got exposed as having the amateur flaw of dropping his left by Schmeling.

Holmes was dropped by Reynaldo Snipes, who was worse than Galento, Buddy Baer, Schmeling, or Walcott. Same with Ali and Henry Cooper. Are you telling me neither Ali nor Holmes were greats?

If Galento landed his left hook on anyone's chin they'd most likely go down. Tyson, Lewis, Ali, etc.

You're overrating Galento's power here. He was a slow, clubbing puncher, and he wouldn't drop a guy like Ali or Tyson who both take a lot of punishment before going down, especially Ali. Louis has a history of getting rocked by fighters, including one's who don't possess much power, such as Conn. Louis' chin isn't in the class of an Ali or Foreman, or Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, etc.

Holmes was dropped by Reynaldo Snipes, who was worse than Galento, Buddy Baer, Schmeling, or Walcott. Same with Ali and Henry Cooper. Are you telling me neither Ali nor Holmes were greats?

Ali was green. Plus the shot Cooper hit him with was fast, sharp, and he didn't see it coming. That's why he went down. Galento's punches are very telegraphed, and he definetely would see them coming, so I doubt they would floor him.

Tony Galento would have given Holmes all he could handle. Holmes would beat him, as Louis did, but not as quickly and not with the same savagery.

I doubt it. holmes is a mover. When Tony fought Louis, Louis just stood still and used no movement and just waited on Galento to make th fight. Holmes would dance and move and Galento would not be able to get to him. Sure Galento would last longer, but Holmes would definetely have an easier time with Galento than Louis did.

Butterfly, I am not overrating Galento's power. He was that strong with the left hook. It was easily as heavy as Frazier's IMO, though not as quick. We all saw what happened when Frazier's left hook connected flush on Ali's jaw. Now Galento likely doesn't even hit Ali or Holmes flush but hypothetically, if he connects, their knees buckle and they go down. Not for good, but they would be floored as Louis was.

Galento's left hook was very, very dangerous.

Butterfly, I am not overrating Galento's power. He was that strong with the left hook. It was easily as heavy as Frazier's IMO, though not as quick. We all saw what happened when Frazier's left hook connected flush on Ali's jaw. Now Galento likely doesn't even hit Ali or Holmes flush but hypothetically, if he connects, their knees buckle and they go down. Not for good, but they would be floored as Louis was.

Galento's left hook was very, very dangerous.

Sorry Achilles, but you just shot yourself in the foot, there. Let's say you are right that Galento's left hook is just as hard as Frazier's. That would mean that Galento still would have to hit Ali multiple times with clean solid shots to get him down, because Frazier definetely couldn't get him down in one shot, Ali took loads of punishment in '71 and was dead tired by the time frazier finally put him down.

Frazier would have dropped him with that hook at any point in the fight that it landed, 1st or 15th round. It was a perfect shot on the jaw. Placement is more important than power. Frazier landed harder hooks in that fight, but none so flush and right on the jaw as that one.

Larry Holmes UD

Frazier would have dropped him with that hook at any point in the fight that it landed, 1st or 15th round. It was a perfect shot on the jaw. Placement is more important than power. Frazier landed harder hooks in that fight, but none so flush and right on the jaw as that one.

Then how come he didn't? Frazier admitted himself that the shot wasn't as hard as many people say, and that he hit Ali with harder shots that night and Ali didn't go down. And they were flush, too. Ali was just exhausted from the beating he got that he had nothing left, and any decent shot would have dropped him at that point.

No, watch the knockdown, that is not what a knockdown due to exhaustion looks like. Look at Sergei vs. Briggs or Maskaev vs. Rahman to see such a knockdowns. Those knockdowns are slower, with the recipient being aware of himself getting knocked down. Frazier really floored Ali with a good punch, snapped his head way back and knocked him well off his feet. Just watch the knockdown a few times and compare it to knockdowns that were cause by exhaustion. There's a clear difference in my opinion.

No, watch the knockdown, that is not what a knockdown due to exhaustion looks like. Look at Sergei vs. Briggs or Maskaev vs. Rahman to see such a knockdowns. Those knockdowns are slower, with the recipient being aware of himself getting knocked down. Frazier really floored Ali with a good punch, snapped his head way back and knocked him well off his feet. Just watch the knockdown a few times and compare it to knockdowns that were cause by exhaustion. There's a clear difference in my opinion.

I watched it a thousand times. Yes it was a solid shot, but watch earlier in the fight, especially in the eleventh round, where Frazier snaps ali's head back hard with punches, but he doesn't go down. Ali was dead tired, even Frazier was suprised that he went down from that punch.

I watched it a thousand times. Yes it was a solid shot, but watch earlier in the fight, especially in the eleventh round, where Frazier snaps ali's head back hard with punches, but he doesn't go down. Ali was dead tired, even Frazier was suprised that he went down from that punch.


Thing was I think Ali was slightly off balance and didn't see the punch coming properly because of all the swelling. It caught him right and the jaw and would probably put most guys down given the circumstances.

I say Louis and Holmes both give each other a boxing lesson. I see Joe getting knocked down in the early rounds, but getting up and closing the show like he always did with a gorgeous combination after he catches Holmes on the ropes. Joe was one of the best tacticians in heavyweight history. I really see him figuring out Holmes in the middles of the fight, and when that happens Holmes goes down. Louis wins 2 out of 3 time if not 3 of 3.

I say Louis and Holmes both give each other a boxing lesson. I see Joe getting knocked down in the early rounds, but getting up and closing the show like he always did with a gorgeous combination after he catches Holmes on the ropes. Joe was one of the best tacticians in heavyweight history. I really see him figuring out Holmes in the middles of the fight, and when that happens Holmes goes down. Louis wins 2 out of 3 time if not 3 of 3.

Good post.

Good post.
Why thank you that means alot coming from the butterfly! =)

Why thank you that means alot coming from the butterfly! =)

Your welcome.

Larry Holmes wins by UD. Larry has better jab than Louis and that's a key in this fight...

Larry Holmes wins by UD. Larry has better jab than Louis and that's a key in this fight...


larry had a better jab but louis had a better cross hook and uppercut

larry had a better jab but louis had a better cross hook and uppercut

Also Louis would expose Holmes' vulnerability to the right hand, and Louis has one of the best right hands in the business.

Damned close fight. Holmes could move, had the best jab in the business, and had the advantage in size & reach. Louis was infinitely skilled and was a master technitian. I hold both of these guys in very high regard so it's tough for me to make a call on this one.

I can see Holmes dropping Louis and being ahead on the cards through 10, but Louis closes the show and punishes Holmes a bit down the stretch. I'd lean towards Louis but by the thinnest of margins.

What a fight this would be..

I have to go with the brown bomber.

Larry Holmes was awesome in his prime, and held some of the same attributes that made Joe Louis great. He was a very skilled boxer, a great counter-puncher, he had power, stamina, heart and speed. In addition to this, his chin was rock solid. Holmes may very well be able to get the decision in this fight

How ever, Joe Louis is in my book the greatest heavyweight of all time. He was even more skilled than was Holmes, he had more power and faster hands. His chin was better than many give him credit for. That wouldn't matter though, as Holmes didn't carry the power to knock Louis out in any case.

I see Holmes winning the first half of the fight by using his mobility to stay out of reach from the slow-footed Louis. Louis was nothing if not patient, and I see him catching up to Holmes later on. With faster hands, better skill and superior power, Louis would hit Holmes with lightening combinations to the head and body.

Holmes' cast iron chin might help him to survive, but a late stoppage would not surprise me. Either that, or Louis wins by close decision.

Joe Louis by UD (12 rds) or tko 14 (15 rds)

Also Louis would expose Holmes' vulnerability to the right hand, and Louis has one of the best right hands in the business.
Good post to you Butterfly I agree!

Larry Holmes was awesome in his prime, and held some of the same attributes that made Joe Louis great. He was a very skilled boxer, a great counter-puncher, he had power, stamina, heart and speed. In addition to this, his chin was rock solid. Holmes may very well be able to get the decision in this fight

How ever, Joe Louis is in my book the greatest heavyweight of all time. He was even more skilled than was Holmes, he had more power and faster hands. His chin was better than many give him credit for. That wouldn't matter though, as Holmes didn't carry the power to knock Louis out in any case.

I see Holmes winning the first half of the fight by using his mobility to stay out of reach from the slow-footed Louis. Louis was nothing if not patient, and I see him catching up to Holmes later on. With faster hands, better skill and superior power, Louis would hit Holmes with lightening combinations to the head and body.

Holmes' cast iron chin might help him to survive, but a late stoppage would not surprise me. Either that, or Louis wins by close decision.

Joe Louis by UD (12 rds) or tko 14 (15 rds)
Makes sense, and well spoken! I agree!

Bigger legacy: joe louis
Who would win if they fight: Holmes by decision, he would use the reach and keep throwing straight punches to the face.

Bigger legacy: joe louis
Who would win if they fight: Holmes by decision, he would use the reach and keep throwing straight punches to the face.

What reach? Louis' reach is 76", and Holmes is only 78. That's just two inches. Reach would be basically a non-factor.

Anyway, if the fight goes the distance, Holmes wins. But Holmes would probably get stupid and try to slug with Louis at one point and be brutally taken out just like with Mike Tyson.

Larry Holmes was awesome in his prime, and held some of the same attributes that made Joe Louis great. He was a very skilled boxer, a great counter-puncher, he had power, stamina, heart and speed. In addition to this, his chin was rock solid. Holmes may very well be able to get the decision in this fight

How ever, Joe Louis is in my book the greatest heavyweight of all time. He was even more skilled than was Holmes, he had more power and faster hands. His chin was better than many give him credit for. That wouldn't matter though, as Holmes didn't carry the power to knock Louis out in any case.

I see Holmes winning the first half of the fight by using his mobility to stay out of reach from the slow-footed Louis. Louis was nothing if not patient, and I see him catching up to Holmes later on. With faster hands, better skill and superior power, Louis would hit Holmes with lightening combinations to the head and body.

Holmes' cast iron chin might help him to survive, but a late stoppage would not surprise me. Either that, or Louis wins by close decision.

Joe Louis by UD (12 rds) or tko 14 (15 rds)

Yeah I would have to agree with that.

I like Louis in this one.

a great match up IMO, both have very good jabs, and speed. I see Louis winning by UD.

No way! Holmes KO's the very overrated Louis in 3 rounds.

No way! Holmes KO's the very overrated Louis in 3 rounds.

Both Schmeling and Marciano hit way harder than Holmes and it took them a lot longer than three rounds, plus he was ill-prepared for one fight, and old in the other.

Both Schmeling and Marciano hit way harder than Holmes and it took them a lot longer than three rounds, plus he was ill-prepared for one fight, and old in the other.

ill-prepared, nice excuse. schmeling kicked his ass, give the guy his dues.

Dont hate on larry cuz he didnt flunk in his prime.

Both Schmeling and Marciano hit way harder than Holmes and it took them a lot longer than three rounds, plus he was ill-prepared for one fight, and old in the other.

so what? Louis has the weakest chin ever in heavyweight history, he could not handle the great but overrated jab and speed of Holmes, so therfore Holmes by KO in 3.

so what? Louis has the weakest chin ever in heavyweight history, he could not handle the great but overrated jab and speed of Holmes, so therfore Holmes by KO in 3.

Can someone please ban this guy?