What type of training is it that boxers do, that get them in the incredible, INCREDIBLE amount of shape their in? Gymnists are pretty amazing but i dont think they can trade that many punchs for a 12 round fight like a boxer, so what is the key??
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What part of the training carries the most weight for a boxer's physical conditon?----

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a pro trains in my gym he is well known in britain but he has asked me to not to mention his name on thiis site anyway his training is up at 6am 10 mile run then goes throught to a near gym were all the pro boxers do there private training for 3hour session he does mostley boxing skill traing and alot of balance then he rests and trains again at 4 till 6 all cardio and he also does alot of fast moving shadow boxing finishes that then he goes for another 10 mile run at night not sure what time but he is in his bed by 10.

he often changes his routine but thats his right now i,m speaking to him on the phone as wee post.

a pro trains in my gym he is well known in britain but he has asked me to not to mention his name on thiis site anyway his training is up at 6am 10 mile run then goes throught to a near gym were all the pro boxers do there private training for 3hour session he does mostley boxing skill traing and alot of balance then he rests and trains again at 4 till 6 all cardio and he also does alot of fast moving shadow boxing finishes that then he goes for another 10 mile run at night not sure what time but he is in his bed by 10.

he often changes his routine but thats his right now i,m speaking to him on the phone as wee post.

not buying it the long distance runs do very little for a boxers training. he'd be wasting his time. Skills training and no sparring wtf???? pros in my city spar daily a min of 3-4 rnds. Shit I spar up to 10 3 times a week. wtf
and a secret private training facility where all the fighters go. hm ok.
I would prefer a small hole in the wall out of the public eye. where I can spar and work out with real boxers without worrying about my apponent seeing. how I train. a lot of fighters make there training open anyway, why wouldn't he let you use his name?

What type of training is it that boxers do, that get them in the incredible, INCREDIBLE amount of shape their in? Gymnists are pretty amazing but i dont think they can trade that many punchs for a 12 round fight like a boxer, so what is the key??
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What part of the training carries the most weight for a boxer's physical conditon?----

Each boxer has a different routine, As it should be training for this sport ld be individualized for we all have different needs. I can't speak for everybody but my routine was molded to fit a pro career. might be a good example

ROAD WORK

1. TO TO THREE MILE WARM UP JOG.
2. FULL SPRINTS. 10 X 3MIN SPINTS 1 MIN OF REST "WALK" BETWEEN RNDS
3. A MIX OF 50 METER SPRINTS AND PLYOMETRICS
a. 15-20 burpees - 50 meter sprints -jog to start - box hops/clap pushups -
50 meter sprint - 20 to 30 knee tucks or squat jumps - jog back
repeat process 4-6 times.
road work sessions are everyother day ie. mon, wed, fri. tue, thur, and sat i run 3 miles no work out sunday.

SKILLS TRAINING

1. SHADOW BOXING. 4-6 RNDS MY MAIN WARM UP TOOL
2. SPEED BAG. 4-6 RNDS
3. HEAVY BAG. USUALY 4-6 3 MIN RNDS - 6 TO 10 1 MIN RNDS "INTENSE"
4. SPARING. IF I CAN FIND AN APONENT3-10 RNDS 3 TIMES A WEEK. VARIOUS DRILLS. ie defense only. ofense only. 50% power, full spar.
5. DOUBLE END BAG. 4-6 RNDS NOT BIG WITH THIS ONE OR THE SLIP BAG USE THEM TO FINE TUNE MY COMBO'S AND DEFENSE
6. PUNCH MITS. 3-6 RNDS DEPENDING ON SPAR TIME.
skills training is 5days a week

STENGTH AND CONDITIONING (I actally changed this due to advice from Punchdrunk was doing far to many reps. result more energy power is good)

a [u]weights - sets are 1-3 x 3-7 reps Some single sets of 15

1. Barbell clean-grip deadlifts

2. Barbell clean pulls from floor

3. Barbell rack cleans

5. squats

6. lunges



8. lat rows and pull down

bconditioning

1. JUMP ROPE. 4-6 ROUNDS USE AS WARM UP FOR SKILLS TRAINING

2. PLYOMETRICS.

3. Stairs and sprints

4. Sledge hammer 3-min rnds 1 min rest switch power hands

5. Running hill 3/4 mile grad slop 1/2 is a pretty good grade sprint to top
USE WEIGHTED VEST FOR A LOT OF THESE INCLUDING HILLS

6. BAG LIFTS 100 LB BAG. AND TIRE THROWS I USE THE BIGGEST TIRE I CAN
FIND AND THROW AS FAST AS I CAN FOR ABOUT 3-5 MIN

7. 8lb MEDICINE BALL TOSS AGAINST A WALL FROM A PUNCHING POSITION
TO MIMICK THE PUNCHING MOTION.

ALL I HAVE TO ADD IS AN ASSLOAD OF AB WORK, I'M SURE EVERYBODY DOES THE SAME CRUNCHES AND SITUPS MED BALLS ETC.

I do roadwork and various cardio in the morning, Gym work in the evening
gives me 3 hard days (two a days) 3 easy per week.

re kingdosia:
high intensity interval training isn't the be all end all of training for professional or serious boxers. sparring is the best conditioning for a REAL fight.

re kingdosia:
high intensity interval training isn't the be all end all of training for professional or serious boxers. sparring is the best conditioning for a REAL fight.

I don't think he claimed anything else? He says he does 3-10 rounds, 3 times a week. If that's every week, that's a lot of sparring. ;)

Each boxer has a different routine, As it should be training for this sport ld be individualized for we all have different needs. I can't speak for everybody but my routine was molded to fit a pro career. might be a good example

ROAD WORK

1. TO TO THREE MILE WARM UP JOG.
2. FULL SPRINTS. 10 X 3MIN SPINTS 1 MIN OF REST "WALK" BETWEEN RNDS
3. A MIX OF 50 METER SPRINTS AND PLYOMETRICS
a. 15-20 burpees - 50 meter sprints -jog to start - box hops/clap pushups -
50 meter sprint - 20 to 30 knee tucks or squat jumps - jog back
repeat process 4-6 times.
road work sessions are everyother day ie. mon, wed, fri. tue, thur, and sat i run 3 miles no work out sunday.

SKILLS TRAINING

1. SHADOW BOXING. 4-6 RNDS MY MAIN WARM UP TOOL
2. SPEED BAG. 4-6 RNDS
3. HEAVY BAG. USUALY 4-6 3 MIN RNDS - 6 TO 10 1 MIN RNDS "INTENSE"
4. SPARING. IF I CAN FIND AN APONENT3-10 RNDS 3 TIMES A WEEK. VARIOUS DRILLS. ie defense only. ofense only. 50% power, full spar.
5. DOUBLE END BAG. 4-6 RNDS NOT BIG WITH THIS ONE OR THE SLIP BAG USE THEM TO FINE TUNE MY COMBO'S AND DEFENSE
6. PUNCH MITS. 3-6 RNDS DEPENDING ON SPAR TIME.
skills training is 5days a week

STENGTH AND CONDITIONING (I actally changed this due to advice from Punchdrunk was doing far to many reps. result more energy power is good)

a [u]weights - sets are 1-3 x 3-7 reps Some single sets of 15

1. Barbell clean-grip deadlifts

2. Barbell clean pulls from floor

3. Barbell rack cleans

5. squats

6. lunges



8. lat rows and pull down

bconditioning

1. JUMP ROPE. 4-6 ROUNDS USE AS WARM UP FOR SKILLS TRAINING

2. PLYOMETRICS.

3. Stairs and sprints

4. Sledge hammer 3-min rnds 1 min rest switch power hands

5. Running hill 3/4 mile grad slop 1/2 is a pretty good grade sprint to top
USE WEIGHTED VEST FOR A LOT OF THESE INCLUDING HILLS

6. BAG LIFTS 100 LB BAG. AND TIRE THROWS I USE THE BIGGEST TIRE I CAN
FIND AND THROW AS FAST AS I CAN FOR ABOUT 3-5 MIN

7. 8lb MEDICINE BALL TOSS AGAINST A WALL FROM A PUNCHING POSITION
TO MIMICK THE PUNCHING MOTION.

ALL I HAVE TO ADD IS AN ASSLOAD OF AB WORK, I'M SURE EVERYBODY DOES THE SAME CRUNCHES AND SITUPS MED BALLS ETC.

I do roadwork and various cardio in the morning, Gym work in the evening
gives me 3 hard days (two a days) 3 easy per week.


to me.thats to much stuff. hell i just work the bag and shadow box and run 3miles and im in better shape then most ppl that do all the shit u just named.and i only stay at the gym for an hour

to me.thats to much stuff. hell i just work the bag and shadow box and run 3miles and im in better shape then most ppl that do all the shit u just named.and i only stay at the gym for an hour

Some people can get away with doing what you do. Let's hope you're one of them. ;)

Nah, seriously though, it all depends on how serious you are. I mean, why no give it all you got? Seems to me like you're the typical underachiever. You've got the talent and the genetics to be a really good fighter, but for some reason you've still only had one fight (which you lost, shoes or not). Sure, at this point (especially with your natural physique), going to the gym for an hour might be fine, but if you want to progress, even you have to step it up.

Edit: And who gives a **** about being "in better shape than most people"?? You've gotta be in the best shape YOU can be!

What type of training is it that boxers do, that get them in the incredible, INCREDIBLE amount of shape their in? Gymnists are pretty amazing but i dont think they can trade that many punchs for a 12 round fight like a boxer, so what is the key??
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What part of the training carries the most weight for a boxer's physical conditon?----

There's no "one key" all training, bags, pad work, running, sparring are all important, I'm around a lot of pros at my gym and even when big fights have happened in London, I've been lucky to see a few of these people train, even Gerald Mclellan(sp?).

Road work is the most important and if like James Toney you hate running, then those rounds and rounds of sparring, I remember hearing Emmanuel Steward saying this too, a lot of pros(especially seasoned ones) are already technical, the combinations are there, you never lose your power, the major thing that you have to always work on is your stamina, that always depletes when you're not training, so that's the most important part.

There are some that train twice as hard as even great boxers but can show very little for it, it just goes to show natural talents goes a long way with reosonable training of course.

Also isn't over training for long periods of time immitating high blood pressure?

There are some that train twice as hard as even great boxers but can show very little for it, it just goes to show natural talents goes a long way with reosonable training of course.

Also isn't over training for long periods of time immitating high blood pressure?

True. Talent is a great gift. But most of the time it only takes you so far. You need to get down and get serious to make it, especially in boxing.
I've seen plenty of hard workers beat greater talents in the long run. Talent always wins in the beginning, but in the long run, hard workers outlive those with talent and no work ethic.

I don't know how over training IMITATES (sure that's the word you were looking for?) high blood pressure?

Of course overtraining is negative, hence the term OVERtraining. Training should be dosed correctly, so you get the rest you need. That's a whole other topic in its own right. Just don't think training HARD is the same as overtraining. It's a convenient excuse to be lazy, though... ;)

Train hard but killing yourself with such a intense routine week in and week out is not good for you, if you are in preparation for an upcoming fight that is a different story.

But remember boxing is alot of wear and tear on the body, not so much from the fights, but the rigorous and intense training.

Be prepared but do not leave the fight in the gym, too many fighters spar ridicilous amounts of rounds and beat the crap out of each other in the gym and are worn out come fight time. Example, philly has some of the greatest boxing gyms in the country by far and if u train in one you can get some of the most intense sparring with hungry fighters, yet the ratio of acutal fighters to successful fighters there has gone down in large amounts because of the gym wars. Remember sparring is a tool.

Know your body and know your limits, just cause someone has a plan that works great for them does not mean it will work for you, develop your own routine.

I don't think he claimed anything else? He says he does 3-10 rounds, 3 times a week. If that's every week, that's a lot of sparring. ;)

yeah thats exactly my point. training to me should be centered around sparring. Everything else is a suplement. I try my damndest to get in a min of 10 rnds a week with the number of fighters in this area 30 is not so hard. Hard on me I've been lucky to remain relatively healthy and injury free minus some cuts and hurt knuckles minor sprains etc.

to me.thats to much stuff. hell i just work the bag and shadow box and run 3miles and im in better shape then most ppl that do all the shit u just named.and i only stay at the gym for an hour

You know I used to spent as little as 6-8 hrs training a week I had good power not enough stanima. Just didn't feel I was as sharp as I could be.
I'll admit I don't do everyone of those exersizes every day there are my staples and then a few are extra. I have to spar thats no. one. the weights vary I have taken a week off of them completely and used my "easy days" to rest. But Extreme dedication to me = results extreme athlete. Some people got is easy don't have to work as hard,

What type of training is it that boxers do, that get them in the incredible, INCREDIBLE amount of shape their in? Gymnists are pretty amazing but i dont think they can trade that many punchs for a 12 round fight like a boxer, so what is the key??
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What part of the training carries the most weight for a boxer's physical conditon?----




In today's world not all professional boxers are in great physical condition. In bygone decades when boxing was a bigger sport, boxing was much more competitive, so boxers had to be in great shape to win. But times have changed. Go to any boxing show are you are most likely to see a series of boring mismatches. It wasn't like that 50 years ago.

By the way, the knowledge of how to get in shape has been around for over 100 years. You can read a lot of technical mumbo-jumbo in this forum, but the fact is Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis hadn't heard anything about it. Nevertheless, they could go 15 hard rounds with any boxer in the world today, assuming there is a boxer in the world today who could go 15 rounds.

re kingdosia:
high intensity interval training isn't the be all end all of training for professional or serious boxers. sparring is the best conditioning for a REAL fight.

I defently aggree. First gym i started at, once i started sparring i was sparring everyday.

In today's world not all professional boxers are in great physical condition. In bygone decades when boxing was a bigger sport, boxing was much more competitive, so boxers had to be in great shape to win. But times have changed. Go to any boxing show are you are most likely to see a series of boring mismatches. It wasn't like that 50 years ago.

By the way, the knowledge of how to get in shape has been around for over 100 years. You can read a lot of technical mumbo-jumbo in this forum, but the fact is Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis hadn't heard anything about it. Nevertheless, they could go 15 hard rounds with any boxer in the world today, assuming there is a boxer in the world today who could go 15 rounds.

One secert to lasting the 15 now 12 rounds imo, is being able to pace yourself, breathing, and im looking for another word that is usally used but i can't find it, lol, but condition of course is also a must.

In all my years training, the hardest of all is sparring. No matter how much you run, do pads, hit bags etc., when you spar you feel it more than all above. Manny Steward chose sparring over any other workout. James Toney never runs, never hits the bags, he spars all the time. He kicked Peters ass all over the ring. James is fat because he eats garbage. If he had a good diet he would be a cruiserweight. He is not lazy, just his eating habits that ruined him. He is a small guy fighting true heavyweights... and he is carrying extra fat. My workout routine is.. Mon, Weds and Fri sparring at least 12 rounds per workout with different partners and then jumping rope for 3 - 10 rounds. The rest of the week I do abs, stretching, pushups and shadowboxing.

In today's world not all professional boxers are in great physical condition. In bygone decades when boxing was a bigger sport, boxing was much more competitive, so boxers had to be in great shape to win. But times have changed. Go to any boxing show are you are most likely to see a series of boring mismatches. It wasn't like that 50 years ago.

By the way, the knowledge of how to get in shape has been around for over 100 years. You can read a lot of technical mumbo-jumbo in this forum, but the fact is Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis hadn't heard anything about it. Nevertheless, they could go 15 hard rounds with any boxer in the world today, assuming there is a boxer in the world today who could go 15 rounds.

Mumbo Jumbo huh? lol.
You need to read up on somthing published this decade. Shit this half century, And not Joe fraziers book, Which is the true mumbo jumbo.
fighters in out times could go 15 rounds I would assume with ease there is a reason we don't. There is a reason Athletic commisions stopped that practice. Fighters are too strong too powerful and the deaths of fighters was increasing. Science can have a 340 lineman run a 4:6 40 a feat training methods of yesteryear could never accomplish. People are made faster and stronger And even you should know the equation for power Potatoes
speed x max strength. Oh yeah it's not so hard to figure out more power = more ko's = shorter fights. You don't have a viable argument for that so give up and go away read fraziers bood again or somthing. You are no help

to me.thats to much stuff. hell i just work the bag and shadow box and run 3miles and im in better shape then most ppl that do all the shit u just named.and i only stay at the gym for an hour

I agree with this. While the exercises Kindosia said are definitely good and pertain to boxing, after working out for an hour your Central nervous system is much more susceptible to being taxed and makes training that long counterproductive. Studies show that people should not train intensely for more much more than an hour because your body becomes immune to any stimulation thereafter...making it not only a waste of time, but an overhaul on your body.

For myself my body responds much better to short training sessions, one hour and I'm done. Working out intelligently and doing the right stuff for one hour, 4 times a week will get me in good a shape as anyone.

I agree with this. While the exercises Kindosia said are definitely good and pertain to boxing, after working out for an hour your Central nervous system is much more susceptible to being taxed and makes training that long counterproductive. Studies show that people should not train intensely for more much more than an hour because your body becomes immune to any stimulation thereafter...making it not only a waste of time, but an overhaul on your body.

For myself my body responds much better to short training sessions, one hour and I'm done. Working out intelligently and doing the right stuff for one hour, 4 times a week will get me in good a shape as anyone.

4 hours of training a week gets you in as good shape as anyone? I dare you to test your shape against any serious pro fighter, or even one of my guys. You WILL lose.


The CNS susceptability regarding long training sessions is NOT applicable to just any kind of training, but to heavy/explosive training specifically. And the conclusions srawn from those studies definitely aren't as cut and dried as you make them out to be.

Road work is the most important ......

Juan Diaz does no running at all, and he can punch for 15+ rds. no-stop

4 hours of training a week gets you in as good shape as anyone? I dare you to test your shape against any serious pro fighter, or even one of my guys. You WILL lose.


The CNS susceptability regarding long training sessions is NOT applicable to just any kind of training, but to heavy/explosive training specifically. And the conclusions srawn from those studies definitely aren't as cut and dried as you make them out to be.

Easy, no need to dare me to do anything, I'm losing nothing here. I don't know who "your fighters" are nor do I care. Your taking things quite literally, training one hour a day is not gonna get me in shape as Floyd Mayweather going 12 rounds, it is going to get ME in shape to my highest threshold. Thats because my particular body responds better to quality training instead of quantity training. I was giving a loose breakdown, I usually train closer to 90 minutes, but during that 90 minutes I go hard and intense. I can bullshit with extra shadowbxing and speed bag for another hour a day, but I already accomplished the most important and demanding activities during that first hour.

Your CNS can be taxed doing too much of ANY kind of training. I don't think I made anything out to be cut and dry, I wasn't writing a book report about the Central Nervous System just stating a simple fact.

Easy, no need to dare me to do anything, I'm losing nothing here. I don't know who "your fighters" are nor do I care. Your taking things quite literally, training one hour a day is not gonna get me in shape as Floyd Mayweather going 12 rounds, it is going to get ME in shape to my highest threshold. Thats because my particular body responds better to quality training instead of quantity training. I was giving a loose breakdown, I usually train closer to 90 minutes, but during that 90 minutes I go hard and intense. I can bullshit with extra shadowbxing and speed bag for another hour a day, but I already accomplished the most important and demanding activities during that first hour.

Your CNS can be taxed doing too much of ANY kind of training. I don't think I made anything out to be cut and dry, I wasn't writing a book report about the Central Nervous System just stating a simple fact.

Yes I take things literally. There's a lot of common misconceptions about training on this board, and if the board is to have any value, those misconceptions (that are the root of training myths) need to be straightened out. Therefore people need to be quite accurate when they say something, or it will do more harm than good. I, for one, will continue to call it, when I see people who spew half truths and BS here. I know that doesn't always make me the most popular person in here. Tough.

Sure, to get YOU in shape to your highest CURRENT threshold. I can agree to that. Being able to train 10-20 hours a week takes time building up. Years for some. No argument there. But fighters who are at that level, have a level of fitness far superior to yours. You better believe it!

You stated that training for more than 1 hour is counterproductive. That sounds pretty cut and dry to me. In fact it's bull, as your admittance that you actually train for longer than that yourself clearly shows.

Yes too much of any kind of training can tax your whole body, hence the TOO MUCH in front of the word training. :rolleyes: Your claim that more than 1 hour will do that is what I was addressing.

Yes I take things literally. There's a lot of common misconceptions about training on this board, and if the board is to have any value, those misconceptions (that are the root of training myths) need to be straightened out. Therefore people need to be quite accurate when they say something, or it will do more harm than good. I, for one, will continue to call it, when I see people who spew half truths and BS here. I know that doesn't always make me the most popular person in here. Tough.

Sure, to get YOU in shape to your highest CURRENT threshold. I can agree to that. Being able to train 10-20 hours a week takes time building up. Years for some. No argument there. But fighters who are at that level, have a level of fitness far superior to yours. You better believe it!

You stated that training for more than 1 hour is counterproductive. That sounds pretty cut and dry to me. In fact it's bull, as your admittance that you actually train for longer than that yourself clearly shows.

Yes too much of any kind of training can tax your whole body, hence the TOO MUCH in front of the word training. :rolleyes: Your claim that more than 1 hour will do that is what I was addressing.




Yes, there are many myths associated with the training of boxers. The weightlifting myth is probably the worst. After 30 years of pumping iron nobody can document any benefits other than pumped up muscles. In the real world of boxing (as opposed to the fantasy world of internet forums) all we have seen is a legacy of dehydration and a tail of dead bodies resulting from it.

Yes, there are many myths associated with the training of boxers. The weightlifting myth is probably the worst. After 30 years of pumping iron nobody can document any benefits other than pumped up muscles. In the real world of boxing (as opposed to the fantasy world of internet forums) all we have seen is a legacy of dehydration and a tail of dead bodies resulting from it.

we have also seen encrease in explosiveness in sports with weighttraining.......that includes boxing

Yes, there are many myths associated with the training of boxers. The weightlifting myth is probably the worst. After 30 years of pumping iron nobody can document any benefits other than pumped up muscles. In the real world of boxing (as opposed to the fantasy world of internet forums) all we have seen is a legacy of dehydration and a tail of dead bodies resulting from it.

Potatoes why do you bother? Do you have nothing better to do than come on a boxing site with a futile attempt to tear down the right way to train?
Do you honestly think that it would be better to have weaker, slower fighters that can sit around and paw eachother to death for 15 rnds?
Day in and day out you bring your sorry ass in these threads critisizing our training. Yes I said ours. because the "real" boxing world you speak of is the one I live eat and breath daily. You don't box. Doubt you ever have. You are not a trainer or an official. You are not even a knowledgeable fan. Yet you bring it upon yourself to call us nerdy little boys and state we live in a fantasy boxing forum. "one which you frequent more than most of us, making you just as nerdy and fantastical" And you try your damdest to misdirect those seeking real advise. GET A LIFE. If you want to argue do some real research and come back with somthing to back your theories. I, and everybody here I would bet is tired of hearing your point of view and excerpts from b.s autobiographies. You are like dead weight. You run your mouth, but never have an answere to peoples questions. Why? no let me answer that for you. YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE BABBLING ABOUT You incoherrant son of a slut. Shut the hell up please for the sake of boxing.

we have also seen encrease in explosiveness in sports with weighttraining.......that includes boxing



.....show us the proof.....

.....show us the proof.....

well, you can lokk at the current boxers who are more powerful than the ones off the past ore you can take a look sprinters who are faster than they just to be

.....show us the proof.....

You are the one who need to show us the proof. I mean real and documented evidence that what you says holds any water. There are miles of manuals to provide all the proof we need that modern training is superior. Test after painstaking test with the same results. It's evolution try it some time. You and your opinion are a waste of air and space. Slap yourself for being so ignorant.

well, you can lokk at the current boxers who are more powerful than the ones off the past ore you can take a look sprinters who are faster than they just to be


The performance of sprinters can be and has been documented. That is not the case with boxers. However, the anecdotal evidence with regards to boxing clearly indicates that that 30 years of pumping iron has diminished the performance of boxers.

The performance of sprinters can be and has been documented. That is not the case with boxers. However, the anecdotal evidence with regards to boxing clearly indicates that that 30 years of pumping iron has diminished the performance of boxers.

no, they are more explosive, you dont loose talent cause of weights but because off smaller talent poll

no, they are more explosive, you dont loose talent cause of weights but because off smaller talent poll

Jeffe arguing with him is like arguing with a wall. He is stuck in 1950 somthing. His best argument is the length of the fights. Like a fighter coulcn't go 15 rnds today "whatever" the length of fights has been cut down due to the more powerfull athlete. "the one making himself stronger" Holmes was devestated by a modern athlete named Mike Tyson. Ali by holmes. It is evolving getting better. Bigger and Stronger. More Powerfull and Faster.
**** Potoatoes He's a caveman trying to hold us behind.