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platinummatt!
11-02-2006, 12:44 PM
What are the advantages of jogging or running over walking briskyly, I can see how the running gets your heart going faster. But Running also putts more pressure and strain on the joints. Thankyou

Exige Jr
11-02-2006, 12:46 PM
Erm walking burns like 400 calories and running can burn over 1000 over the same distance.

Thankyou.

platinummatt!
11-02-2006, 12:48 PM
But thats just burning fat, how about cardio

platinummatt!
11-02-2006, 12:50 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_living/fitness/active_run.shtml

Exige Jr
11-02-2006, 01:00 PM
But thats just burning fat, how about cardio
Huh? For stamina, running is still better, if thats what you mean?

KingDosia
11-02-2006, 01:01 PM
What are the advantages of jogging or running over walking briskyly, I can see how the running gets your heart going faster. But Running also putts more pressure and strain on the joints. Thankyou

Platinum,
neither will help you train for boxing. I know that sounds crazy because on tv and in the movies all you see boxers do is jog. Here is the facts Boxing is an anaerobic activity. With a 3 to 1 work ratio. 2:1 amateurs. This means Three min work to 1 min rest of intense activity. Long distance jogging and walkind do very little to train your body for that type of activity. Both are aerobic exersize and draw and use enrergy in a completly different way. Your cardio and resperatory system need to be stimulated in a way that imitates what is going on in the ring in order to effectively enhance the bodies ability to sustain that act. Somthing like intense interval running. 3 min sprint 1 jog, You wont be able to go out and complete a full fights worth of each 3 to 1 round at first but will need to work toward that goal. And then surpass it. I try to double the rounds I fight. wich is usually four rnd exhibition matches. meaning I need to complete 4 rounds of interval sprints. I suplement that with some Plyometrics mixed with sprints. Or anything I can think of that comes close to the physical exertion of fighting. :boxing:

platinummatt!
11-02-2006, 01:08 PM
Cool, how does running compare to punchout drills

KingDosia
11-02-2006, 01:13 PM
Cool, how does running compare to punchout drills

about as well as apples and oranges. You obviously need both. They do compare in that they are both anaerobic, and benificial for endurance training for the ring. Provided the Punchout drills are intense and last for the full duration of the round

Pork Chop
11-02-2006, 01:19 PM
There was a medical report that came out recently that determined for cardiovascular health, intensity over a certain distance didn't matter as much as previously thought. What was more important was duration. I'll keep an eye out for it and dig it up if I can.

Otherwise i agree with Kingdosia- that sprinting & Hight Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) is the best way to build endurance for a high intensity sport.

I just think that one of the benefits of jogging is teaching your body how to move & be relaxed. One of the quickest ways to gas in a fight is being overly tense.

This is also I think why HIIT tends to work better for amateur fighters - where the fights are fast paced and short, than for professional fighters - where the fights can be long drawn-out affairs.

I try to mix up my cardio... I do sprint sessions on the elliptical cross trainer when I can and even on medium intensity jogging sessions I'll sprint a long hill towards the end.

KingDosia
11-02-2006, 01:54 PM
There was a medical report that came out recently that determined for cardiovascular health, intensity over a certain distance didn't matter as much as previously thought. What was more important was duration. I'll keep an eye out for it and dig it up if I can.

Otherwise i agree with Kingdosia- that sprinting & Hight Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) is the best way to build endurance for a high intensity sport.

I just think that one of the benefits of jogging is teaching your body how to move & be relaxed. One of the quickest ways to gas in a fight is being overly tense.

This is also I think why HIIT tends to work better for amateur fighters - where the fights are fast paced and short, than for professional fighters - where the fights can be long drawn-out affairs.

I try to mix up my cardio... I do sprint sessions on the elliptical cross trainer when I can and even on medium intensity jogging sessions I'll sprint a long hill towards the end.

I feel ya on the moving while relaxed bit. And agree. I don't think I got my point across fully. Never would I sugest dropping the long distance jogs out right. Beside your point if you throw some punches while jogging you learn to be better balanced while throwing punches through muscke memory. There are many health benifits too. I don't jog a whole lot mostly on the weekends and off days from my training. I use it as a tool for cutting fat as well, anerobics don't use fat as an energy source very well. Or at least not as well.

j
11-02-2006, 02:57 PM
i'm not sure that punching while jogging will do much for you. otherwise, listen to pork chop.

just don't ever run then stop immediately.

KingDosia
11-02-2006, 03:50 PM
i'm not sure that punching while jogging will do much for you. otherwise, listen to pork chop.

just don't ever run then stop immediately.

On the contrary, It is a good exersize to get your body used to being in balance while punching. And keeping in rythim while punching and moving. I have never had balance issues, but have noticed a few trainers sugest it to kids who lean too much with there jabs and straight punches. I tried it an noticed the benifits. Wouldnt call it a magic exersize to correct problems but a good muscke memory exersize. Try it you may change your mind

NJFighter91
11-02-2006, 04:09 PM
advantages for running are stamina, calories...everything

Pork Chop
11-02-2006, 05:26 PM
i'm not sure that punching while jogging will do much for you. otherwise, listen to pork chop.


One other thing I like about punching while running, that I haven't seen mentioned is that you get using your feet in coordination with your hands, punching as you push off with each step so you get the most behind your punches.

KingDosia
11-02-2006, 05:32 PM
One other thing I like about punching while running, that I haven't seen mentioned is that you get using your feet in coordination with your hands, punching as you push off with each step so you get the most behind your punches.


Right on that, the thought crossed my mind after I posted my last comment. I agree that it helps your timing and coordination in tandem. Its a good exersize. J from what I have read is more oriented with the marial arts. It wouldn't in my opinion be very beneficial for that type of defense oriented fight platform. So I agree in a way with J. I like the exersize and see why trainers perscribe it to younger guys.

Pork Chop
11-02-2006, 05:52 PM
Well it's not that he hates running, but he'd rather shuffle along doing his 5 elements instead of straight jogging. (he'll get what i mean)

KingDosia
11-02-2006, 06:28 PM
Well it's not that he hates running, but he'd rather shuffle along doing his 5 elements instead of straight jogging. (he'll get what i mean)

I got u,
I also didn't think he meant he hated running, he just didn't see the benifit of punching while doing it.
How does that 5 element thing work anyway out of curiousity

shortright
11-02-2006, 06:45 PM
runnig is alot better walking you not really pushing yourself

Pork Chop
11-02-2006, 07:06 PM
How does that 5 element thing work anyway out of curiousity

5 element thing corresponds to 5 different strikes which i think you can get from emptyflower.com - i remember they had decent movies and explanations.

each of the 5 element strikes has a sort of shuffle step associated with it. The boxing equivalent would be the shuffling footwork associated with a 1-2.

One of the famous hsing yi masters in china supposedly did 5 miles of a certain move every day to & from work and the story goes that he could knock down a brick wall (think Chinese style brick wall, like from Jet Li's My Father is a Hero where the bricks are more like plates and not very well mortared).

KingDosia
11-02-2006, 08:49 PM
5 element thing corresponds to 5 different strikes which i think you can get from emptyflower.com - i remember they had decent movies and explanations.

each of the 5 element strikes has a sort of shuffle step associated with it. The boxing equivalent would be the shuffling footwork associated with a 1-2.

One of the famous hsing yi masters in china supposedly did 5 miles of a certain move every day to & from work and the story goes that he could knock down a brick wall (think Chinese style brick wall, like from Jet Li's My Father is a Hero where the bricks are more like plates and not very well mortared).

damn could you imagine 5 miles of sidesteps pivots and shuffling? You'd be invincible.

j
11-02-2006, 11:01 PM
Well it's not that he hates running, but he'd rather shuffle along doing his 5 elements instead of straight jogging. (he'll get what i mean)


of course i don't hate jogging/running. i personally love jogging. the problem that you might run into with jogging and punching added is with the breath coordination interfering with a smooth inhalation and exhalation that you should usually strive for in jogging/running. you should want to gradually increase the distance/number of steps associated with one inhalation and exhalation. of course, there are more methods of training running - i just mentioned one that i like.

i actually do sometimes coordinate the hands with the feet in more of a striking manner, however, i wouldn't do it the way you see it in movies - which is what came to mind when i read about jogging and punching.

runnig is alot better walking you not really pushing yourself

depends what kind of walking you do. i'm sure i know a few walking methods that you would struggle with no matter what kind of shape you're in.

One of the famous hsing yi masters in china supposedly did 5 miles of a certain move every day to & from work and the story goes that he could knock down a brick wall (think Chinese style brick wall,

people still do! ;)

damn could you imagine 5 miles of sidesteps pivots and shuffling? You'd be invincible.

:D