woulda been interesting
who do yall got?

that makes little sense!

do you mean whowould win out of the two?

I am going with Liston late stoppage.

i take frazier cause of the bobbing and weaving

Oh man this is tough. Liston would definitely command the earlier rounds making full effect of his power and Jab. I don’t see him connecting with a shot that would be enough to KO Joe but there would definitely be a couple of heavies that might send Joe to the Canvas. But in the latter rounds we see Joe shin. Mentally, Liston is weak and would start to lose it in there. Joe takes command in the final round, he KO’s Sonny with a sweat left.

I'll back Liston by a mid to late TKO.

if liston doesnt KO by 6-8 then its all frazier

Beyond round 11 Frazier definatly wins.

have you seen frazier vs foreman?

have you seen frazier vs foreman?

We all have, but Liston had a different style to Foreman. Liston was more boxer puncher whilst Foreman was a pure slugger.

I think Liston would have an easier time with Frazier than Foreman did.(As hard as that might be to imagine) Liston was more refined than Foreman. His jab was quicker and harder, plus he had a better defense. His power is inferior to Foreman's so it would take longer for Liston to end the fight, but around the fourth or fifth round, Joe wouldn't be able to take anymore. Plus Liston was a great puncher whereas Foreman was a clubber, so I think Liston could actually get a clean knockout punch instead of a stoppage like Foreman did.

Liston ko5.

We all have, but Liston had a different style to Foreman. Liston was more boxer puncher whilst Foreman was a pure slugger.

i whole heartedly agree, wouldnt that make it even worse for frazier? facing someone who hits ridiculously hard and can add on top of that a great jab and decent speed, and who actually uses his boxing abilities during the fight.

I think Liston would have an easier time with Frazier than Foreman did.(As hard as that might be to imagine) Liston was more refined than Foreman. His jab was quicker and harder, plus he had a better defense. His power is inferior to Foreman's so it would take longer for Liston to end the fight, but around the fourth or fifth round, Joe wouldn't be able to take anymore. Plus Liston was a great puncher whereas Foreman was a clubber, so I think Liston could actually get a clean knockout punch instead of a stoppage like Foreman did.

Liston ko5.

why did i bother writing my post? yours wraps it up better. thank you

why did i bother writing my post? yours wraps it up better. thank you

Great minds think alike.:D

i whole heartedly agree, wouldnt that make it even worse for frazier? facing someone who hits ridiculously hard and can add on top of that a great jab and decent speed, and who actually uses his boxing abilities during the fight.


Indeed he would struggle with Liston. But frazier did better against guys who tried to box him than brawl with him. I'd expect Frazier to last longer with Liston than with Foreman on the basis that Foreman would try and take his head off from the opening bell but Liston would try and feel him out at first with his long jab.

Indeed he would struggle with Liston. But frazier did better against guys who tried to box him than brawl with him. I'd expect Frazier to last longer with Liston than with Foreman on the basis that Foreman would try and take his head off from the opening bell but Liston would try and feel him out at first with his long jab.

Liston was a boxer-puncher, so he had power to go along with that skill. Remember, if Ali had devastating knockout power, Frazier would have never beaten him.

I think Liston would have an easier time with Frazier than Foreman did.(As hard as that might be to imagine) Liston was more refined than Foreman. His jab was quicker and harder, plus he had a better defense. His power is inferior to Foreman's so it would take longer for Liston to end the fight, but around the fourth or fifth round, Joe wouldn't be able to take anymore. Plus Liston was a great puncher whereas Foreman was a clubber, so I think Liston could actually get a clean knockout punch instead of a stoppage like Foreman did.

Liston ko5.

Good Post......I agree for the most part.

Liston was a boxer-puncher, so he had power to go along with that skill. Remember, if Ali had devastating knockout power, Frazier would have never beaten him.

And if Foreman had Marciano's stamina, Ali wouldn't have beaten him. whats ya point bro?

So I still stick with my original prediction of a mid round tko for Liston.

Liston was a boxer-puncher, so he had power to go along with that skill. Remember, if Ali had devastating knockout power, Frazier would have never beaten him.

shutup butterfly:boxing:

And if Foreman had Marciano's stamina, Ali wouldn't have beaten him. whats ya point bro?

So I still stick with my original prediction of a mid round tko for Liston.

Well, you said that Frazier does good against boxers. yes that is true. But guys like Ali and Ellis aren't devastating punchers, that's why he did good against these boxers. Liston had the skill and the punch, which would spell trouble for Frazier, who is a notoriously slow starter.

id go with a liston tko around the 6th or 7th

frasier with a late stoppage i dont see liston KOing frasier

frasier with a late stoppage i dont see liston KOing frasier

It could very well happen. Liston's reach would keep frazier at bay, and frazier would be eating leather trying to get in.

I'll go with Frazier...

A Prime Frazier would have given Foreman more of a run for his money and a Prime Frazier would take command and win against Liston..Liston had a long jab and was a hard hitter but could see Frazier taking the fight to Liston and just dominating....

Frazier by Late KO

I'll go with Frazier...

A Prime Frazier would have given Foreman more of a run for his money and a Prime Frazier would take command and win against Liston..Liston had a long jab and was a hard hitter but could see Frazier taking the fight to Liston and just dominating....

Frazier by Late KO

To "dominate, he would have to get inside, and Liston wouldn't allow him to do that. Liston has Imo just as good hanspeed as Frazier, with more power and a better chin.

To "dominate, he would have to get inside, and Liston wouldn't allow him to do that. Liston has Imo just as good hanspeed as Frazier, with more power and a better chin.

The Power thing is questionable...Personally I'd say Frazier hit harder....
Chin....I don't know, IMO Frazier's Chin was tested more so then Liston's.....There Handspeed may in fact be on par with each other....

Liston's reach keeps Frazier away which is why I say Late KO...

Liston's chin was definitely better. Liston took Cleveland William's best shots without blinking and Williams hit harder than Bonavena who had Frazier in serious trouble. Liston had a phenomenal chin.

The Power thing is questionable...Personally I'd say Frazier hit harder....

Liston knocked out his opponents a lot quicker than Frazier did, and he was shown to hurt them more with one punch than Frazier did.

Chin....I don't know, IMO Frazier's Chin was tested more so then Liston's.....

No it wasn't. Frazier was known to duck all the big punchers during his career to fight guys who didn't exactly have devastating knockout power. He ducked, Ron Lyle, Mac Foster, Ernie Shavers, even old man Sonny Liston himself. The hardest punchers Frazier fought were, George Foreman (and you all know what happened both times), Jerry Quarry, and Oscar Bonavena (floored Frazier twice). Liston fought the harder punchers on average. He fought Cleveland Williams 2x (one of the hardest punchers in heavyweight history), Mike DeJohn, Nino Valdez, Zora Folley, Eddie Machen (a prime Machen not the old, shot version that Frazier fought), Floyd Patterson 2x, and Leotis Martin. Take into consideration that Frazier was rocked and floored more than Liston was all while fighting inferior punchers to Liston's opponents, then there's no doubt that Liston was more durable.

Also might I add, that both Liston and Frazier fought George "Scrap Iron" Johnson, and an old Liston had little trouble of knocking him out, while a close to prime Frazier couldn't, plus he had a lot of trouble with him. Even Frazier claimed that Scrap Iron Johnson was his toughest opponent.

Liston's chin was definitely better. Liston took Cleveland William's best shots without blinking and Williams hit harder than Bonavena who had Frazier in serious trouble. Liston had a phenomenal chin.

I totally agree.

I'll go with Frazier...

A Prime Frazier would have given Foreman more of a run for his money and a Prime Frazier would take command and win against Liston..Liston had a long jab and was a hard hitter but could see Frazier taking the fight to Liston and just dominating....

Frazier by Late KO


Can't see a prime Frazier doing much better again foreman than the versian George fought. Frazier was barely past his prime and it was too one sided to suggest a Frazier from just a few fights earlier could have given George a run for his money. Frazier is all wrong for George, just as Liston was all wrong for the swift footed Clay at the time.

Good to see that you've come back down to earth in regards to Frazier's chin, Butterfly, and are no longer rating him amongst the all-time top three in that category...

A good chin he simply had (no better than that...his great determination & heart confuses some, I think), but not one of the elites in heavyweight history. Nor was it as good or as proven as Liston's was, as Kid & yourself stated.

Good points

starts thinking of retort.....

Well I've been thinking and my mind got so off topic that I came to this conclusion...

Prime Mr T. would beat a prime Liston.....lol but seriously my next reply will be one pertaining to Frazier v Liston

Well I've been thinking and my mind got so off topic that I came to this conclusion...

Prime Mr T. would beat a prime Liston.....lol but seriously my next reply will be one pertaining to Frazier v Liston

Mr. T is not a boxer. Therefore Liston knocks him out in about 5 to 6 seconds...

Mr. T is not a boxer. Therefore Liston knocks him out in about 5 to 6 seconds...

actually Mr T was a boxer (so I've heard)

and he was Muhammad Ali's body guard.....however what I said before was more of a joke...because my mind tends to drift sometimes

actually Mr T was a boxer (so I've heard)

and he was Muhammad Ali's body guard.....however what I said before was more of a joke...because my mind tends to drift sometimes

I'm so ashamed that I didn't even know that.

I'm so ashamed that I didn't even know that.

lol its ok

I saw it on Wikipedia :ugh:

well I actually had heard it but like I didn't really remember until I read it...one of those deals ya know..

i take Liston
Joe would be bobbin rite into Listons power shots
n Liston was strong as hell
n consistent power is Joe's weakness

Liston by Ko/TKO 6-7 round

fraser would have no trouble getting inside of listons jab listons jab was not that quick and he had to recover after throwing it frasier would have no troubvle getting inside and while inside he has the upperhand!

frasiers bobbing and weaving would be far more effective agianst listons style of punching than it was against foremans he was far better at avoiding straight boxers punches than he was at avoiding foremans.

fraser would have no trouble getting inside of listons jab listons jab was not that quick and he had to recover after throwing it frasier would have no troubvle getting inside and while inside he has the upperhand!

frasiers bobbing and weaving would be far more effective agianst listons style of punching than it was against foremans he was far better at avoiding straight boxers punches than he was at avoiding foremans.

Liston's jab was quicker than Foreman's jab, yet Frazier couldn't get inside of Foreman.

Liston's jab was quicker than Foreman's jab, yet Frazier couldn't get inside of Foreman.

He could get inside but he was akways pushed out.

He could get inside but he was akways pushed out.

Yeah, good point. Anyway, Liston has a better inside game than Foreman as well, so even if Frazier did get in, that doesn't automatically mean he will dominate.

Yeah, good point. Anyway, Liston has a better inside game than Foreman as well, so even if Frazier did get in, that doesn't automatically mean he will dominate.

I don't know about that to be honest because of seen guys get inside on Foreman and he just blasts away there body with uppercuts....It looks awkward but when its all done there hurtin.....Liston's in fighting may just be more refined...

I don't know about that to be honest because of seen guys get inside on Foreman and he just blasts away there body with uppercuts....It looks awkward but when its all done there hurtin.....Liston's in fighting may just be more refined...

Look I know everyone loves to brag about listons power and skill etc being the great white hope and all, but against Joe Frazier?! Did you guys see him in the ring?! This guy had phenomenal power and an overhand right that was second to none, Liston wouldn't even last as long as Foreman did. Incredible!!

Look I know everyone loves to brag about listons power and skill etc being the great white hope and all, but against Joe Frazier?! Did you guys see him in the ring?! This guy had phenomenal power and an overhand right that was second to none, Liston wouldn't even last as long as Foreman did. Incredible!!


liston the great white hope?? :S
fraziers overhand right?? rarely seen and not that great
what are you smoking?

liston the great white hope?? :S
fraziers overhand right?? rarely seen and not that great
what are you smoking?

With all due respect do you know what you are talking about?

Look I know everyone loves to brag about listons power and skill etc being the great white hope and all, but against Joe Frazier?! Did you guys see him in the ring?! This guy had phenomenal power and an overhand right that was second to none, Liston wouldn't even last as long as Foreman did. Incredible!!

Liston's definitely not white... and ur last statement: "Liston wouldn't even last as long as Foreman did"... it was Frazier who didn't last long... u should give me some of the stuff uv been smokin.....

liston the great white hope?? :S
fraziers overhand right?? rarely seen and not that great
what are you smoking?


Look at my avvy. Liston was not a white man, and you're post makes no sense at all!

Look at my avvy. Liston was not a white man, and you're post makes no sense at all!

Look I apologise if I have offended anyone but these are the realities of boxing.

Look I apologise if I have offended anyone but these are the realities of boxing.

yeah yeah i get you.

Look I apologise if I have offended anyone but these are the realities of boxing.

no, no, no.... its good really.... u should try stand-up comedy... man, u are funny.....

With all due respect do you know what you are talking about?

would you like me to get your mummy for you?

would you like me to get your mummy for you?

I think you should leave my mummy out of this. You should also leave yourself out of any future boxing disucssions.

I think you should leave my mummy out of this. You should also leave yourself out of any future boxing disucssions.
your right! we should all leave boxingscene in your capable hands!

Look I know everyone loves to brag about listons power and skill etc being the great white hope and all, but against Joe Frazier?! Did you guys see him in the ring?! This guy had phenomenal power and an overhand right that was second to none, Liston wouldn't even last as long as Foreman did. Incredible!!

This guy is funny. Liston the great whie hope. Frazier's right hand. Good k for you!:D

Hmm i think I have to go with liston. A better chin, two phenomenal hands rather than just one to look out for. I think people make too much of Fraizer's bobbing and weaving prowess as i have said previously. Ofcourse the fight would be over in one round if Liston got caught with just one of those fraizer right hands lol .

This guy is funny. Liston the great whie hope. Frazier's right hand. Good k for you!:D

yeh he should become boxingscenes mascot!

yeh he should become boxingscenes mascot!


We don't need another cunt for a mascot.. Miketyson jr was more than enough.

We don't need another cunt for a mascot.. Miketyson jr was more than enough.

I dont know about any mascot...

I dont know about any mascot...

I know I know well done.

We don't need another cunt for a mascot.. Miketyson jr was more than enough.

where is tyson junior? i havent seen him for ages i miss the crap he comes out with!

I think Liston would probably win.

Frazier by KO

Frazier by KO

Might I ask what you basis on this is?

Might I ask what you basis on this is?


He'll probably say frazier's faster than Liston or Frazier could drop Liston since Ali did or some shit like that.

He'll probably say frazier's faster than Liston or Frazier could drop Liston since Ali did or some shit like that.

I've always said that Liston is a very underrated fighter. They think anybody could beat him!

I've always said that Liston is a very underrated fighter. They think anybody could beat him!

He is extremely under rated. It's because people only remember the Liston that Ali beat and ridiculed, not the savage that fought Patterson.

Frazier knocks him out... He's simply the better fighter and I doubt Liston would take Frazier's left hooks too well...

Frazier knocks him out... He's simply the better fighter and I doubt Liston would take Frazier's left hooks too well...

How is he the better fighter? He not as powerful as liston. He's not as durable as Liston. He's not as skilled as Liston. And his handspeed is probably just equal with Liston. Please explain to me how Frazier is the better fighter.

Physically Liston was more powerful than Frazier, but Frazier hit harder, Liston might be more durable yes, but he would get dropped by Frazier's left hook, styles make fights anb Frazier would be perfect to knock out Liston, and please don't mention the Foreman-Frazier fight because this would end up really differently, they would both come out swinging but Frazier would land the more accurate punches, I know it's hard to believe but that's how I see it, I can clearly see Frazier knocking out Liston. Liston might bully Frazier for a little while until he tastes some flush shots from him... Fight's over...

Might I ask what you basis on this is?

Fraizer would bob and weave himself inside and on the inside Frazier is the better fighter. That left hook would take its toll on Liston.

Liston's hook (just as powerful, not quite as quick) would sure as hell take it's toll on Frazier. Along with one of the hardest jabs of all time, a powerful uppercut, and damn good straight right. Too many tools, too much size. Liston's chin was better than Frazier's as well.

Liston has too much I think. Frazier would be game, and would not get taken out as quickly as with Foreman because Liston would not fight in such a wild, careless manner. He would break down Frazier, hurt him from the outside with the jab, and then add the uppercut, left hook, and right hand when he sees openings.

Liston was not a lightning fast or terribly mobile boxer but he was pretty damn smart, smarter than Frazier.

Physically Liston was more powerful than Frazier, but Frazier hit harder, Liston might be more durable yes, but he would get dropped by Frazier's left hook, styles make fights anb Frazier would be perfect to knock out Liston, and please don't mention the Foreman-Frazier fight because this would end up really differently, they would both come out swinging but Frazier would land the more accurate punches, I know it's hard to believe but that's how I see it, I can clearly see Frazier knocking out Liston. Liston might bully Frazier for a little while until he tastes some flush shots from him... Fight's over...

liston hit a lot harder than frazier. his right hand was better, his left hook was more powerful, although not as fast, and trust me Liston's punches would have a greater affect on frazier than Frazier punches would have on liston. Plus frazier is gonna have a hard time getting in on Liston's long reach. Also Liston was apparently the more accurate puncher. Yes, this fight would end up more differently than foreman-Fraizer because, liston wouldn't be nailed hard in the beginning like Foreman was. Liston was a superior boxer to Foreman, and it would be easier for Liston.

Fraizer would bob and weave himself inside and on the inside Frazier is the better fighter. That left hook would take its toll on Liston.

frazier would bob and weave right into Liston's jab and straight right and that would take it's tool on Frazier.

Liston was and still is the great white hope. He would have no chance against the mighty Joe Frazier.

Liston was and still is the great white hope. He would have no chance against the mighty Joe Frazier.

i beg your pardon

Liston was as tough as nails, don't be fooled by the Ali fights. He was one tough customer, he wasn't heartless, he was durable and the Cleveland Williams fights are a good representation of this. Frazier wades into a whole lot of trouble.... Liston by TKO.

i'd say Liston by KO in the late rounds
joe frazier aint no floyd patterson

frazier would bob and weave right into Liston's jab and straight right and that would take it's tool on Frazier.

I would have thought Frazier would slip Listons jab.
Didnt Ali have trouble keeping Frazier off. Listons jab would be much slower than Ali's.

I would have thought Frazier would slip Listons jab.
Didnt Ali have trouble keeping Frazier off. Listons jab would be much slower than Ali's.

That's because Ali lacked the power. Liston's jab was hard, and it would eventually slow Frazier down.

That's because Ali lacked the power. Liston's jab was hard, and it would eventually slow Frazier down.

Yea, but only if he could catch Frazier with it.

Liston by late round TKO.

i think it could go either way

Yea, but only if he could catch Frazier with it.

George Foreman's jab was easily catching Frazier, and Liston had much better handspeed than Foreman.

This would be a much harder fight for Frazier, then Liston. I am not saying Frazier doesn't have a chance, but Liston was a monster with a good reach. It may,...may come down to who had the better heart. Frazier IMO had the better heart. Power,Chin, and speed (cept Fraziers left hook) go to Liston. Stamina was equal IMO. Maybe Frazier has a chance later on, but getting there would be the true challenge. I'm sure Liston wouldnt like the taste of Frazier's left (he would get hit with it).It could go either way, but I'd bet on Liston, for the first fight and the rematch! It'd be nice to watch the best left hook, against the best jab in heavyweight history!

This would be a much harder fight for Frazier, then Liston. I am not saying Frazier doesn't have a chance, but Liston was a monster with a good reach. It may,...may come down to who had the better heart. Frazier IMO had the better heart. Power,Chin, and speed (cept Fraziers left hook) go to Liston. Stamina was equal IMO. Maybe Frazier has a chance later on, but getting there would be the true challenge. I'm sure Liston wouldnt like the taste of Frazier's left (he would get hit with it).It could go either way, but I'd bet on Liston, for the first fight and the rematch! It'd be nice to watch the best left hook, against the best jab in heavyweight history!

I don't see the left hook of Frazier landing much. Liston knew how to block the left hook well as seen in both Patterson fights.

I don't see the left hook of Frazier landing much. Liston knew how to block the left hook well as seen in both Patterson fights.
You maybe right but Fraziers left > Pattersons left. I see Liston getting tagged withit early on but figuring it out in the middle of the fight. None the less I see him getting tagged with it least ONCE in the fight.