who wins this power punching war lol

Liston with the longer reach, and better chin would win inside 6.

tyson wins in three at the most. liston was a turd in the water.

most of u guys havnt even seen 5 of listons fights. so quit assuming

most of u guys havnt even seen 5 of listons fights. so quit assuming

I've seen about 15 of them.

I see about 15 of them.

show me.......... and even if so it doesnt compare to the 55 u can see of tyson's in which u cant give a really good judgement cause there so different its not funny.

show me.......... and even if so it doesnt compare to the 55 u can see of tyson's in which u cant give a really good judgement cause there so different its not funny.

I've seen these.

Bert Whitehurst II 1958
Cleveland Williams I 1959
Cleveland Williams II 1960
Eddie Machen 1960
Albert Westphal 1960
Floyd Patterson I 1962
Floyd Patterson II 1963
Cassius Clay I 1964
Muhammad Ali II 1965
Amos Johnson 1966
Bill McMurray 1968
Henry Clark 1968
Amos Lincoln 1968
George Scrap Iron Johnson 1969
Sonny Moore II 1969
Leotis Martin 1969

I think that's enough film needed in order to judge a fighter.

I've seen these.

Bert Whitehurst II 1958
Cleveland Williams I 1959
Cleveland Williams II 1960
Eddie Machen 1960
Albert Westphal 1960
Floyd Patterson I 1962
Floyd Patterson II 1963
Cassius Clay I 1964
Muhammad Ali II 1965
Amos Johnson 1966
Bill McMurray 1968
Henry Clark 1968
Amos Lincoln 1968
George Scrap Iron Johnson 1969
Sonny Moore II 1969
Leotis Martin 1969

I think that's enough film needed in order to judge a fighter.

hmmmmmmmm naw dont think so.

hmmmmmmmm naw dont think so.

I do. You ponly need about 4 or 5 good fights to judge a fighter anyway, so I think I've seen enough.

I'd back Liston.

First and Foremost, Tyson shines when his opponent is intimidated, we all Liston wouldn’t be. Both will be aggressive with Liston using his reach advantage will Tyson uses his speed advantage. The match would end in a KO, who gets the KO? The man who continues to be aggressive all the way though the matchup which I think would be Liston.

Liston by 11th Round KO (though Tyson winning early wouldn’t be a shock neither)

Honestly, Liston at his best mugs Tyson at his best. Mike would be in trouble and know it as soon as the bell rang, if not sooner.



Liston by KO or TKO by the 7th or 8th.

Honestly, Liston at his best mugs Tyson at his best. Mike would be in trouble and know it as soon as the bell rang, if not sooner.



Liston by KO or TKO by the 7th or 8th.

lol you always say Honestly

but i agree with ya man

lol you always say Honestly

:lol1: I never realized that.....honestly. :D

First and Foremost, Tyson shines when his opponent is intimidated, we all Liston wouldn’t be. Both will be aggressive with Liston using his reach advantage will Tyson uses his speed advantage. The match would end in a KO, who gets the KO? The man who continues to be aggressive all the way though the matchup which I think would be Liston.

Liston by 11th Round KO (though Tyson winning early wouldn’t be a shock neither)

ribalta,ruddock,bruno. and a few others werent intimidated and he tkoed all i just spoke of

ribalta,ruddock,bruno. and a few others werent intimidated and he tkoed all i just spoke of


1. None of those guys are on the same level as Sonny Liston.

2. Bruno had himself hypnotized before the first fight; and I coulda swore he had a stream of piss running down his leg before the second.

ribalta,ruddock,bruno. and a few others werent intimidated and he tkoed all i just spoke of

lol at compariong liston with the above

both of ya'll r slow. I was naming the ppl that weren't intimidated my tyson which is fight him.no where in my posts did I say they were better then liston.where u guys got there from is above my head.READ BEFORE U STATE GUYS

1. None of those guys are on the same level as Sonny Liston.

2. Bruno had himself hypnotized before the first fight; and I coulda swore he had a stream of piss running down his leg before the second.

Haha, I didn't even know that.:rofl: Maybe that's why he put up such a good fight. Mabe if Spinks did the same thing, it would have been a better fight.

ive only seen liston's fight with flloyd patterson and ali...both first fights, not the second

tyson on the other hand, ive seen all his fights...

so i cant decide on which...

I've only see a handful of Liston fights...(handful = about 3 or 4 [but Ali II don't count cause Liston didn't fight]) but I believe I've seen enough to say that Tyson would do prtty good against him....

I could see Tyson taking this one in 5......

If anybody has somewhere I could DL Liston fights thinking that it'll change my mind I'd like that :D

Wow i can't decide. Leaning a little toward Tyson.

Liston was a real monster. Apart from the controversial Ali fights he was never stopped in 50 fights.
Not sure how many times he went down, but he took the best shots from Patterson and Williams who were both big punchers.

Liston would stop Tyson after maybe 9 rounds.

Liston was a real monster. Apart from the controversial Ali fights he was never stopped in 50 fights.
Not sure how many times he went down, but he took the best shots from Patterson and Williams who were both big punchers.

Liston would stop Tyson after maybe 9 rounds.

Leotis Martin knocked him cold as well. Just thought I'd mention that, but I still see him beating tyson.

To be fair the guy Martin knocked out wasnt the 'Real' Liston he was never the same after Ali! Having said that i see a Tyson Spank fest! Mike in 4-6!

To be fair the guy Martin knocked out wasnt the 'Real' Liston he was never the same after Ali! Having said that i see a Tyson Spank fest! Mike in 4-6!

Liston wasent the same during ALi

Liston wasent the same during ALi

Tooshay my friend Tooshay!

Liston took some hard blows from Cleveland Williams, who I'd rank neck and neck with Tyson in terms of punching power. I would not call his chin suspect just because of the Martin fight.

Liston took some hard blows from Cleveland Williams, who I'd rank neck and neck with Tyson in terms of punching power. I would not call his chin suspect just because of the Martin fight.

I wouldn't either. I only mentioned Martin as someone said that Ali was the only guy to ever stop Liston.

Gotcha. Liston was not invincible, no one was, but his chin was first rate. I would say Liston had a better chin than Tyson.

I say Liston

liston would have trouble hitting tyson because of tyson's head movement plus his good defence. tyson would win this fight by late ko or decision

liston would have trouble hitting tyson because of tyson's head movement plus his good defence. tyson would win this fight by late ko or decision

He didn't have much trouble hitting Patterson who was much faster than Tyson.

Tyson was better than Patterson...hand speed, I would say Patterson, but body movement/head movement, Tyson is faster.

Patterson is also smaller than Tyson, not a true heavyweight at all.

A smaller slugger/swarmer type boxer cannot beat Tyson. Liston was not a swarmer, but he didn't fight backwards, and if he went head to head with Tyson he would lose, because Tyson is simply a better slugger.

And who thinks Liston here has a better chin even though he was KO'd by a feather fisted punch.? Or getting rocked by Cruiserweight Whiteburst, really, he was rocked a lot of times. I cant think of many extremely hard hitters who tested Listons chin like Tyson got from Ruddock twice, Bruno, Lewis and yes, Buster Douglass could hurt a guy, especially that night when he was trippling on ****ing jabs and using huge uppercuts.

Celeveland Williams hit as hard as any man who ever rocked Tyson and he didn't make Liston budge.

Liston would beat tyson. he could hit harder, box better and his reach was longer. liston would come right at tyson, and scare the shit out of him. tyson was good, but doesnt deserve being mentioned alongside the greats like liston

Celeveland Williams hit as hard as any man who ever rocked Tyson and he didn't make Liston budge.

Didn't Williams rock Liston a bit in the rematch, Kid?

I may have to dig out the tape to be sure, but my memory is telling me that Williams caught Liston with punch (left hook, I think) on the button in that fight and drove him back into the ropes where Big Cleve followed that punch up with a brief flurry of power shots...

I don't recall Liston being hurt all that badly on that occasion (that's if my memory isn't playing tricks on me one way or the other), but I thought Williams hit him hard enough on that occasion to at least make Liston "budge".

You may be correct. I haven't seen the fight in awhile but I don't remember him hurting Liston to the point where I thought he was in trouble of getting knocked down or even to the point where it seemed like his knees buckled. I'll have to watch it again. I could be wrong.

You may be correct. I haven't seen the fight in awhile but I don't remember him hurting Liston to the point where I thought he was in trouble of getting knocked down or even to the point where it seemed like his knees buckled. I'll have to watch it again. I could be wrong.

Yeah, like I said, from memory I wouldn't have considered Liston all that hurt from the punch(s) and I certainly don't recall Liston's knees buckling noticably or had the impression that he was close to going down. But...ah, I think my curiosity has gotten the better of me and I'm going to throw that fight into the ole' VCR.

Round 2 of the rematch Williams does have him against the ropes where he's covering up and not throwing back. I would say he's definitely feeling Cleve's power but he doesn't appear to stagger like Tyson did against Tucker and his knees don't buckle. I think I'm missing the few seconds leading up to where he's sent to the ropes though so maybe he is more seriously hurt then.

Saying he didn't budge was going a bit too far but I don't think Williams had him in what I'd call trouble at any point. I mean I would argue that Tua looked more hurt by the light hitting Byrd during a moment of their fight. So he's hurt, but the kind of hurt most guys are when going through a fight. Not hurt enough to deserve mention in a footnote in the record books IMO.

I say Listons reach, and power frustrates Tyson to high hell. I see the fight going to either fighter. If Cus is in Tyson's corner, I think that would give Tyson a big advantage. Yes I know Cus was there when Liston beat Patterson, but all in all Tyson and Pat where two different fighters. Tyson's chin > Pattersons chin. Cus was a damn good trainer, and I think he could find away to help Mike get past Listons chin. However I think Liston wins in a trilogy, each fight close, and each a war. Good Fantasy Fight!

Watch the first round Tyson vs Tucker. Who believes Tyson was hurt and staggered?

Watch the first round Tyson vs Tucker. Who believes Tyson was hurt and staggered?

I saw him wobble a little bit.

He was hurt and wobbled but quickly recovered. Still, he was definitely hurt.

He didn't see it coming and went into the uppercut. I've seen him take uppercuts like that from Douglass without blinking because he saw them coming. Liston staggered against Whiteburst, a cruiserweight fisted guy.

He didn't see it coming and went into the uppercut. I've seen him take uppercuts like that from Douglass without blinking because he saw them coming. Liston staggered against Whiteburst, a cruiserweight fisted guy.

I never saw Liston stagger against Whitehurst. What round in what fight?

I never saw Liston stagger against Whitehurst. What round in what fight?

I believe it was in the first round. Definitely early in the fight. He rocked Liston a little bit, but that was it.