View Full Version : Pacman vs. Black Superman bet . . . . .


psychopath
10-10-2004, 08:44 AM
I'm betting 4,000 points for Manny Pacquiao to beat St, Claire. Straight bet no odds . . . . U.D., K.O. or T.K.O it doesn't matter just plain WIN or LOOSE . . . any takers? :D

Now friends this is my way of having fun . . . I don't care if I lose all my points it's not real money . . . right? :D

m00ks
10-10-2004, 12:38 PM
lol who would take St.Clair? I woulnd't bet though, it's like a curse eveyrtime I bet. I lose no matter how sure the win is.

psychopath
10-10-2004, 06:29 PM
HA. . . HA . . . HA . . . well I know there Pac haters here so they better put their "points" where they mouth and heart is . . . to tell you frankly this is going to be my first bet. :D I have never bet before because I don't gamble. This is the extra feature that I like in this site you can earn points while enjoying posting and you got to play with these points on "FANTASY BETTING".

Hey I firmly believe that St. Claire will give Manny a real hard fight. He is not well known simply because he is not being promoted by a named promoter. :D

Epie2
10-10-2004, 09:48 PM
St Claire is a filler for the Pacman. If Manny takes him lightly, he can spring an upset. I'm for Manny though so no bets.

psychopath
10-10-2004, 11:03 PM
St Claire is a filler for the Pacman. If Manny takes him lightly, he can spring an upset. I'm for Manny though so no bets.


Upset? I agree . . . St Claire is no push over . . . so Manny better prepare well for this one . . . or he can be the next on the upset list of '04. The year is not over yet :D .

ELPacman
10-10-2004, 11:42 PM
He better damn well prepare and not consider this guy a pushover or be ****y like when he faced that (no way can spell name) guy that knocked him down in 4th rd after Manny got ****y and careless and let down his guard. Of course Manny came back next Rd to knock him down and out twice. From what I hear this guy has never been KNOCKED DOWN. He's gone the distance with Corrales among many other well knowns. He's a regular sparring partner of Kostya who is a crazy hard hitter. I'm sure he can take a punch well. He's also very crafty and may pose some trouble. I'd take Manny just cause I want him to win though I wouldn't bet on either since it's a hard call. This guy has a chance to get lucky though doesn't have many wins via KO, so I imagine his craftyness has gotten him through tough fights.

m00ks
10-10-2004, 11:50 PM
He better damn well prepare and not consider this guy a pushover or be ****y like when he faced that (no way can spell name) guy that knocked him down in 4th rd after Manny got ****y and careless and let down his guard. Of course Manny came back next Rd to knock him down and out twice. From what I hear this guy has never been KNOCKED DOWN. He's gone the distance with Corrales among many other well knowns. He's a regular sparring partner of Kostya who is a crazy hard hitter. I'm sure he can take a punch well. He's also very crafty and may pose some trouble. I'd take Manny just cause I want him to win though I wouldn't bet on either since it's a hard call. This guy has a chance to get lucky though doesn't have many wins via KO, so I imagine his craftyness has gotten him through tough fights.

LoL Yeshimengatov lol close enough

A lot has changed though I think, in trems of style, atatck and defence. Although I think some of vintage Pac will resurface in this fight considering it'll be in front of his home crowd.

grayfist
10-11-2004, 12:53 AM
I haven't seen this St. Clair fella fight, but from what I can see in his record, he has to be an energizer bunny with a durable chin who swarms over his opponents. His KO rate means, to me, that he doesn't have a single power punch, so, he must have KO'd those guys by just wading through (he has to because he's short at 5'4) and swamping them with all the punches he has learned and some he doesn't know. Those are the up-side for him that I can think of.

The down-side is that he doesn't have the puncher's chance.

But the question that nags me is, if he just simply wades in, then he must have been hit so many times in those meetings with Corrales, VHarris and Dorin. Why wasn't any of those fights stopped on the basis of his having been totally outpunched and outclassed? The refs in those fights must have known about his KO record; that he has little chance of a lucky whammy. If not, then those refs must have seen in the course of those fights that St. Clair doesn't carry a puncher's chance. Why did they allow all those fights go the full route? All of 'em love watching a little guy being slaughtered?! Perhaps not.

St. Clair fights off an orthodox stance; southpaws are often the ones called awkward and tough to fight. Is St. Clair an awkward orthodox fighter and difficult to hit? Could it be that even Corrales, VHarris and Dorin had a hard time finding the target? Just asking.

Anyway, yes, Manny would be a fool to take this guy lightly. This St. Clair has lost only to big fellas and all soon-to-be champions when he faced them. In each of those losses, St. Clair gave a good account of himself.

Yet, given all that, it seems to me that St. Clair has but little chance of winning the Pac fight on his own; he could win, but only if Manny lets him.

Manny may not only be dealing with St. Clair; he could also be dealing with himself, fight night. The last one is the bigger danger: Manny could damage his hand if he looks for an early knockout; he could be looking for that fleeting moment when the veteran St. Clair would present an opening while in the meantime allow St. Clair to pile up points; he could be pandering to the hometown crowd and be less focused... lots of things Manny should be wary of...things that Manny can prevent from happenning if he won't let them happen. :) The local fans may also help by not putting too much pressure on their idol; shouting for a knockout or any form of dramatic finish may take Manny out of the zone. After all, although this could be one of the biggest sporting events in recent years in Manila, it should not be forgotten by them that Manny has bigger fish to fry. ;)

psychopath
10-11-2004, 06:11 AM
I haven't seen this St. Clair fella fight, but from what I can see in his record, he has to be an energizer bunny with a durable chin who swarms over his opponents. His KO rate means, to me, that he doesn't have a single power punch, so, he must have KO'd those guys by just wading through (he has to because he's short at 5'4) and swamping them with all the punches he has learned and some he doesn't know. Those are the up-side for him that I can think of.

The down-side is that he doesn't have the puncher's chance.

But the question that nags me is, if he just simply wades in, then he must have been hit so many times in those meetings with Corrales, VHarris and Dorin. Why wasn't any of those fights stopped on the basis of his having been totally outpunched and outclassed? The refs in those fights must have known about his KO record; that he has little chance of a lucky whammy. If not, then those refs must have seen in the course of those fights that St. Clair doesn't carry a puncher's chance. Why did they allow all those fights go the full route? All of 'em love watching a little guy being slaughtered?! Perhaps not.

St. Clair fights off an orthodox stance; southpaws are often the ones called awkward and tough to fight. Is St. Clair an awkward orthodox fighter and difficult to hit? Could it be that even Corrales, VHarris and Dorin had a hard time finding the target? Just asking.

Anyway, yes, Manny would be a fool to take this guy lightly. This St. Clair has lost only to big fellas and all soon-to-be champions when he faced them. In each of those losses, St. Clair gave a good account of himself.

Yet, given all that, it seems to me that St. Clair has but little chance of winning the Pac fight on his own; he could win, but only if Manny lets him.

Manny may not only be dealing with St. Clair; he could also be dealing with himself, fight night. The last one is the bigger danger: Manny could damage his hand if he looks for an early knockout; he could be looking for that fleeting moment when the veteran St. Clair would present an opening while in the meantime allow St. Clair to pile up points; he could be pandering to the hometown crowd and be less focused... lots of things Manny should be wary of...things that Manny can prevent from happenning if he won't let them happen. :) The local fans may also help by not putting too much pressure on their idol; shouting for a knockout or any form of dramatic finish may take Manny out of the zone. After all, although this could be one of the biggest sporting events in recent years in Manila, it should not be forgotten by them that Manny has bigger fish to fry. ;)


Bro this will show how mature as a fighter Manny really is . . . loosing that fight because of any distraction will be fatal in his career . . . I hope he realizes that.

grayfist
10-11-2004, 07:15 AM
Bro this will show how mature as a fighter Manny really is . . . loosing that fight because of any distraction will be fatal in his career . . . I hope he realizes that.I share your hope, pal. :) If he doesn't realize that yet, I hope someone would make him...fast. :) As far as maturity goes, he's one of the top ten fighters in the world in many lists, so, he should show maturity. It's an important facet of being P4P... :)

psychopath
10-11-2004, 06:55 PM
I share your hope, pal. :) If he doesn't realize that yet, I hope someone would make him...fast. :) As far as maturity goes, he's one of the top ten fighters in the world in many lists, so, he should show maturity. It's an important facet of being P4P... :)


That's right . . .that's right . . .he made it to his present stature as the p4p best featherweight on his first fight in the division . . . maybe our fellow fans doesn't realizes that but that's just an astounding feat . . . did anybody in the sports ever accomplished that? I don't think so as far as I know. He earned that faster than enybody could have ever imagined and if he doesn't mature fast enough to protect what he had now, he might lose that as fast as he earned it. :cool:

chito
10-12-2004, 12:38 AM
i've never seen this st. clair either but if he proves to be as durable like nedal hussein for example then pacman should just concentrate on just winning and not to go for that sensational knockout win! but hussein can't be compared to st.clair for example because the latter has a knockout punch and his ko percentage is high vs. this st. clair! could be a very good workout for pacquiao though because this st clair will test his ko power and his ring wizardry!

grayfist
10-13-2004, 12:23 AM
That's right . . .that's right . . .he made it to his present stature as the p4p best featherweight on his first fight in the division . . . maybe our fellow fans doesn't realizes that but that's just an astounding feat . . . did anybody in the sports ever accomplished that? I don't think so as far as I know. He earned that faster than enybody could have ever imagined and if he doesn't mature fast enough to protect what he had now, he might lose that as fast as he earned it. :cool:I'm not too sure that the Barrera meeting was Pac's first at featherweight. I have always assumed that the first time he stepped into the ring at that weight class was against that central european fighter with an unpronounceable name at an al fresco encounter at the Rizal Park in Manila, where he suffered a flash KD but subsequently KO'd his foe in the very next round. I could be wrong. I'm just basing this assumption on press reports.

Having said that, if the Barrera meeting was his second, it scantly diminishes the accomplishment. :)

To answer your question, however, there are a number of fighters who went up in weight and quickly got themselves belts of some sort: Roy Jones got one on his first heavyweight try vs. Ruiz as he had done in lower weight categories, Spnks vs. Holmes, SRay Leonard went up to middleweight and took Hagler's belts, albeit controversially.... Even Barrera himself, got a Featherweight belt on only his second featherweight fight. He beat Hamed for the IBO title. Three fights against different opponents previously, he went against Cesar Najera on Dec, 18,'99 and knocked Najera out in the fourth. But the decision was later changed to DQ when it was found out that Najera was Barrera's regular sparring partner. :o

Four or five other times, Barrera, who was then campaigning at and WBO champ at jr. feather, tipped the scale above the limit of 122 in non-title bouts. He also went 124 lbs in his second meeting with Junior Jones and a few others thereafter. But those were still two notches below featherweight. ;)

THRILLAinmanila
10-13-2004, 12:30 AM
I'm not too sure that the Barrera meeting was Pac's first at featherweight. I have always assumed that the first time he stepped into the ring at that weight class was against that central european fighter with an unpronounceable name at an al fresco encounter at the Rizal Park in Manila, where he suffered a flash KD but subsequently KO'd his foe in the very next round. I could be wrong. I'm just basing this assumption on press reports.

Having said that, if the Barrera meeting was his second, it scantly diminishes the accomplishment. :)

To answer your question, however, there are a number of fighters who went up in weight and quickly got themselves belts of some sort: Roy Jones got one on his first heavyweight try vs. Ruiz as he had done in lower weight categories, Spnks vs. Holmes, SRay Leonard went up to middleweight and took Hagler's belts, albeit controversially.... Even Barrera himself, got a Featherweight belt on only his second featherweight fight. He beat Hamed for the IBO title. Three fights against different opponents previously, he went against Cesar Najera on Dec, 18,'99 and knocked Najera out in the fourth. But the decision was later changed to DQ when it was found out that Najera was Barrera's regular sparring partner. :o

Four or five other times, Barrera, who was then campaigning at and WBO champ at jr. feather, tipped the scale above the limit of 122 in non-title bouts. He also went 124 lbs in his second meeting with Junior Jones and a few others thereafter. But those were still two notches below featherweight. ;)



You're right, Barrera was Pacman's 2nd bout at featherweight. He scored a 5th round TKO over Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov back in March 15, 2003 at the Philippines' famous Luneta Park (indeed it was an al fresco setting).

psychopath
10-13-2004, 12:33 AM
I'm not too sure that the Barrera meeting was Pac's first at featherweight. I have always assumed that the first time he stepped into the ring at that weight class was against that central european fighter with an unpronounceable name at an al fresco encounter at the Rizal Park in Manila, where he suffered a flash KD but subsequently KO'd his foe in the very next round. I could be wrong. I'm just basing this assumption on press reports.

Having said that, if the Barrera meeting was his second, it scantly diminishes the accomplishment. :)

To answer your question, however, there are a number of fighters who went up in weight and quickly got themselves belts of some sort: Roy Jones got one on his first heavyweight try vs. Ruiz as he had done in lower weight categories, Spnks vs. Holmes, SRay Leonard went up to middleweight and took Hagler's belts, albeit controversially.... Even Barrera himself, got a Featherweight belt on only his second featherweight fight. He beat Hamed for the IBO title. Three fights against different opponents previously, he went against Cesar Najera on Dec, 18,'99 and knocked Najera out in the fourth. But the decision was later changed to DQ when it was found out that Najera was Barrera's regular sparring partner. :o

Four or five other times, Barrera, who was then campaigning at and WBO champ at jr. feather, tipped the scale above the limit of 122 in non-title bouts. He also went 124 lbs in his second meeting with Junior Jones and a few others thereafter. But those were still two notches below featherweight. ;)


That fight in Luneta is against a ukranian . . . that was his tune-up fight against Lucero. Let me check the finer details . . . but then on fighters going up in weight to capture a belt or a title that's true, there are already a lot who have accomplised that . . . but NOT the no 1 P4P ranking in a division. :D

grayfist
10-13-2004, 12:35 AM
You're right, Barrera was Pacman's 2nd bout at featherweight. He scored a 5th round TKO over Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov back in March 15, 2003 at the Philippines' famous Luneta Park (indeed it was an al fresco setting).Thanks, pal! :)

grayfist
10-13-2004, 01:03 AM
That fight in Luneta is against a ukranian . . . that was his tune-up fight against Lucero. Let me check the finer details . . . but then on fighters going up in weight to capture a belt or a title that's true, there are already a lot who have accomplised that . . . but NOT the no 1 P4P ranking in a division. :DDidn't Sugar Shane only have one Jr. Middle fight (vs. Raul Marquez, which was declared NC3 after Marquez suffered a cut) before meeting Oscar? Most p4p lists had Mosley no.1 jr. middleweight after beating Oscar a second time. Mosley had been dropped from the p4p lists of lots of people, magazines and organizations after having been beaten by Vernon Forrest. He was only reinstated after beating Oscar and was declared by an equal number as the best at that weight.

Prior to their first encounter, Mosley met only Wilfredo River and Willie Wise at welter, before taking the WBC/IBA welter title from Oscar who was until then listed by many as no.1 at that weight. Mosley had been Lightweight king. He went up in weight and beat the no.1 welter at the time. That made him p4p no.1 welter in many lists. :)

And Ukrane is not east of Russia in Europe. That makes it central europe, doesn't it? I dunno... I still have to check the World Atlas...:)

psychopath
10-13-2004, 01:21 AM
Didn't Sugar Shane only have one Jr. Middle fight (vs. Raul Marquez, which was declared NC3 after Marquez suffered a cut) before meeting Oscar? Most p4p lists had Mosley no.1 jr. middleweight after beating Oscar a second time. Mosley had been dropped from the p4p lists of lots of people, magazines and organizations after having been beaten by Vernon Forrest. He was only reinstated after beating Oscar and was declared by an equal number as the best at that weight.

Prior to their first encounter, Mosley met only Wilfredo River and Willie Wise at welter, before taking the WBC/IBA welter title from Oscar who was until then listed by many as no.1 at that weight. Mosley had been Lightweight king. He went up in weight and beat the no.1 welter at the time. That made him p4p no.1 welter in many lists. :)

And Ukrane is not east of Russia in Europe. That makes it central europe, doesn't it? I dunno... I still have to check the World Atlas...:)


Oh okay I got it now . . . the guy's name is Yeshmangbetov and you are right they gought at 126 lbs . . .that was his tune up fight for his superbantam weight clash with Lucero. Anyway although that's just a tune up fight and not official I guess that one will still have to be counted, so Manny's fight with MAB is his second in the division.

Shane Mosley . . . . I missed that one, so that make's two of them . . . still that's rare and quite a feat and surely first for an asian boxer. ;)

grayfist
10-13-2004, 02:06 AM
Oh okay I got it now . . . the guy's name is Yeshmangbetov and you are right they gought at 126 lbs . . .that was his tune up fight for his superbantam weight clash with Lucero. Anyway although that's just a tune up fight and not official I guess that one will still have to be counted, so Manny's fight with MAB is his second in the division.

Shane Mosley . . . . I missed that one, so that make's two of them . . . still that's rare and quite a feat and surely first for an asian boxer. ;)I was not sure of my facts either, pal so I just thought of putting those in there. You know, talking off the top of my head. ;) Thanks for the great welcome at the other site!!! That and the one extended by muay thai (aka, may.pen.rai...) got me feeling at home at once in that site. putiman also did me that favor. Thanx to you fellas!!! :)

And that guy's name Yeshman... I never could get the hang of it!!! :D

THRILLAinmanila
10-13-2004, 02:12 AM
Thanks, pal! :)

Anytime .....

JOM'S
10-13-2004, 08:33 AM
I am still betting all of my marbles (points) on Manny against St. Claire, any time, any where

psychopath
10-13-2004, 08:40 AM
I was not sure of my facts either, pal so I just thought of putting those in there. You know, talking off the top of my head. ;) Thanks for the great welcome at the other site!!! That and the one extended by muay thai (aka, may.pen.rai...) got me feeling at home at once in that site. putiman also did me that favor. Thanx to you fellas!!! :)

And that guy's name Yeshman... I never could get the hang of it!!! :D


No prob . . . AND we mean that . . . you are very much welcome to the site. :)

DR. FREECLOUD
10-14-2004, 09:59 AM
most people had felixd trinidad as #1 p4p at middleweight after just his first fight with joppy in that division.