I am watching Earnie Shavers Vs. Larry Holmes, and I have seen Shavers Vs. Lyle, Norton, Young, Ali, Holmes, Ellis and a few more. What a warrior, its like taking the chin, stamina, and boxing skills of Evander Holyfield and tramsforming it into Punching Power, keeping the massive heart!

So my question is, would you consider Earnie Shavers, the hardest hitter in recorded history, a all-time great? I would.:boxing:

Earnie didn't have the chin of Evander Holyfield, if he he did, he would of been even higher up, in the rankings of all time heavyweights.

Leme rephrase, Shavers is Holyfield with his chin, stamina, and skills transformed into pure punching power.

phew, thought you were saying Shavers had a good chin for a minute there! lol
Yeah Shavers was a good fighter. He had a deadly punch but he failed when he stepped up to fight the best and thus never won a title. Without his punch he wouldn't really have anything else.
Like his real career I would say Shavers is a top contender to be an all time great but he just falls short IMO.

he always got his title shots against god smart boxers with good chins if he managed to fight norton when he was champ he would have got it easy.
in any other era he would have been champ.

he always got his title shots against god smart boxers with good chins if he managed to fight norton when he was champ he would have got it easy.
in any other era he would have been champ.

Indeed but you could say the same about Cooney, Lyle and Peter etc. Any boxer with a very hard punch would overthrow norton but your can't base their potential greatness on that.

I am watching Earnie Shavers Vs. Larry Holmes, and I have seen Shavers Vs. Lyle, Norton, Young, Ali, Holmes, Ellis and a few more. What a warrior, its like taking the chin, stamina, and boxing skills of Evander Holyfield and tramsforming it into Punching Power, keeping the massive heart!

So my question is, would you consider Earnie Shavers, the hardest hitter in recorded history, a all-time great? I would.:boxing:

if anything shavers power is overrated . He never damaged his opponents like tyson did . Tyson burst ear drums, fractured eye sockets,cheekbones , broke vertebraes, smashed noses, broke ribs. pierced lungs. Infact tysons sparring partners used to end up in the parademics when tyson was going all out in sparring just before a fight . Infacy i have never heard of shavers smashing any of his opponents bones or sending his sparring parners to intensive care.

If anything Tyson is overrated and I'm tired of hearing you talk about him.

if anything shavers power is overrated . He never damaged his opponents

wtf he broke bones, gave people whiplash and tauma, exploded gloves and knocked guys cold with one shot.

his sparring parners to intensive care

People were too scared to spar with him!

Yeah I don't recall Tyson ever hitting so hard he caused his ****ing glove to explode with the impact. Case closed, Shavers hit harder. Please stop posting.

shavers technique was good, you can see his hips going into it.

if anything shavers power is overrated . He never damaged his opponents like tyson did . Tyson burst ear drums, fractured eye sockets,cheekbones , broke vertebraes, smashed noses, broke ribs. pierced lungs. Infact tysons sparring partners used to end up in the parademics when tyson was going all out in sparring just before a fight . Infacy i have never heard of shavers smashing any of his opponents bones or sending his sparring parners to intensive care.

i've got afeelig you only post this crap to elicit a response but i'm gonna give you one anyway; noone who knows ANYTHING sbout boxing would rater tyson higher than shavers in a punch power ranking

wtf he broke bones, gave people whiplash and tauma, exploded gloves and knocked guys cold with one shot.



People were too scared to spar with him!

bull**** he never gave nobody whiplash or trauma and his sparring partners did spar and thet didnt end up in hospital.

bull**** he never gave nobody whiplash or trauma and his sparring partners did spar and thet didnt end up in hospital.

Shows how much you know. Watch the Randy Tex Cobb fight and see what happens to Rand's head. Shavers made it spin around, tore muscles and gave him serious inmjuries that put him in hospital. He broke sparring partners ribs and gave fighters physical trauma which damaged them internally.

Tyson's power was great to watch, Shavers' power was disturbing to watch.

Tyson's power was great to watch, Shavers' power was disturbing to watch.


Very nicely put Yaman.


If it's an condolence Catskills, Tyson would destroy shavers in an actual match up.

Very nicely put Yaman.


If it's an condolence Catskills, Tyson would destroy shavers in an actual match up.

he definately would!! i mean shavers has the kind of power that could ko tyson in 1 bu tyson was so quick and shavers chin was weak

Tyson would have beat poor Earnie to death in 1 round...Shavers isn't that great.

Shavers hit Randy Tex Cobb with a right in the neck so hard it broke his left ankle.

Larry Holmes thought he was struck by lighting when Shavers hit him, probably would have been better off.

shavers IMO was one of the best that never won a title...

yaman put it good. "Tyson's power was great to watch, Shavers' power was disturbing to watch."

Yeah Yaman, if anyone famous would have said that it would have been a historical quote :P

Shavers/Lyle was one of my favorite heavyweight fights ever that i have seen

Shavers/Lyle was one of my favorite heavyweight fights ever that i have seen


Yeh it was real exciting.

Tyson would have beat poor Earnie to death in 1 round...Shavers isn't that great.

Shavers hit Randy Tex Cobb with a right in the neck so hard it broke his left ankle.

Larry Holmes thought he was struck by lighting when Shavers hit him, probably would have been better off.

i have never heard such bull****. if shavers hit as hard as hard as everyone thinks he did then how come he never killed anyone in the ring and shavers hit cobb so hard that it broke his ankle . How could a punch in his neck break hgis ankle unless he fell on his ankle which wouldnt be a direct of the punch anyway. Shavers power has reached mythological prorportions . There are stories going around that he caused ali brain damage after their first fight and that he hospitalised sparring partners but i never see any documented evidence to back this up and shavers never knocked anyone out with a good chin . He only ever knocked out bums .

he stoped jimmy young something ali and foreman cant say they did

i have never heard such bull****. if shavers hit as hard as hard as everyone thinks he did then how come he never killed anyone in the ring and shavers hit cobb so hard that it broke his ankle . How could a punch in his neck break hgis ankle unless he fell on his ankle which wouldnt be a direct of the punch anyway. Shavers power has reached mythological prorportions . There are stories going around that he caused ali brain damage after their first fight and that he hospitalised sparring partners but i never see any documented evidence to back this up and shavers never knocked anyone out with a good chin . He only ever knocked out bums .

hmmmm why helped the doomed?

he stoped jimmy young something ali and foreman cant say they did

well mike tyson is the only man to ever put michael spinks and pinklon thomas on the canvas.

well mike tyson is the only man to ever put michael spinks and pinklon thomas on the canvas.

No way catskills, I heard your mother did too:luvbed: :owned:

i have never heard such bull****. if shavers hit as hard as hard as everyone thinks he did then how come he never killed anyone in the ring and shavers hit cobb so hard that it broke his ankle . How could a punch in his neck break hgis ankle unless he fell on his ankle which wouldnt be a direct of the punch anyway. Shavers power has reached mythological prorportions . There are stories going around that he caused ali brain damage after their first fight and that he hospitalised sparring partners but i never see any documented evidence to back this up and shavers never knocked anyone out with a good chin . He only ever knocked out bums .

yeh your right shavers couldn't punch for ****! tyson is the hardest puncher ever i heard he knocked out an elephant than ate its trunk!

I am watching Earnie Shavers Vs. Larry Holmes, and I have seen Shavers Vs. Lyle, Norton, Young, Ali, Holmes, Ellis and a few more. What a warrior, its like taking the chin, stamina, and boxing skills of Evander Holyfield and tramsforming it into Punching Power, keeping the massive heart!

So my question is, would you consider Earnie Shavers, the hardest hitter in recorded history, a all-time great? I would.:boxing:

I wouldn't say he was an all-time great. I would put him in the top 100 of heavies.

I wouldn't say he was an all-time great. I would put him in the top 100 of heavies.

Out of curiosity and nothing else...

Do you have a top 100 list available, Butterfly?

As a young kid and as a new boxing fan back in the mid 70's, Earnie Shavers was my first ever "favourite fighter"...

I just thought I'd mention that for no reason whatsoever.

Out of curiosity and nothing else...

Do you have a top 100 list available, Butterfly?

No, but if I did, I would probably put him in somewhere.

No, but if I did, I would probably put him in somewhere.

me too, he never won a title but he had no trouble becoming No 1 contender on several occasions in the 'golden age' of boxing

No, but if I did, I would probably put him in somewhere.

Well, if you don't have one compiled then...Get to work!

Nah, I'm kidding about that, although Shavers might sneak in there amongst my own personal ranking of the top 100 heavyweights of all-time, but I think he'd probably find himself toward the very bottom of such a ranking if he did even manage to get in there...

It'd be close either way, I think.

shavers always had a punchers chance :)

A friend of mine sent me an Earnie Shavers "Greatest Hits" tape a while back; and I have to say the man's power was impressive.

One day I'm going to have to get full copies of his fights wit Ali, Lyle, and Williams. The 9th and 10th rond of Shavers-Williams is some of the most dramatic action I've ever seen.

Great stuff.

The 9th and 10th rond of Shavers-Williams is some of the most dramatic action I've ever seen.

Great stuff.

I don't recall seeing Shavers' fight with Roy Williams, but I've heard from quite a few who say it's one of the more impressive 'from the brink of defeat' comebacks someone will ever see from a fighter who, supposedly, was all but out of it before turning things completely around with one single punch.

Even Shavers thought Williams "damned near destroyed me(him)" over the last couple of rounds.

I don't recall seeing Shavers' fight with Roy Williams, but I've heard from quite a few who say it's one of the more impressive 'from the brink of defeat' comebacks someone will ever see from a fighter who, supposedly, was all but out of it before turning things completely around with one single punch.

Even Shavers thought Williams "damned near destroyed me(him)" over the last couple of rounds.

In a nutshell, Shavers was visibly exhausted and after eating some serious leather at the end of the 9th, he was practically out on his feet. Early in the 10th, Shavers took a standing 8 after another pummelling, followed by Williams trapping him in another corner and beating him to teh point to where Earnie was bent over 90 degrees at the waist, leaning forward, and taking William's hooks flush on the side of his head. Today, the fight would have been stopped.

Somehow, Shavers found the resolve to launch a haymaker that caught Roy flush and visibly wobbled him. Backing into a corner, Earnie followed throwing everything he could muster and landing with about every 3rd shot. Williams, exhausted from punching himself out on Earnie, offered no return fire as Shaver threw and threw until you'd think his arms would fall from their sockets; Williams leaned back onto the turnbuckle as the ref stepped in to issue a standing 8-Count on Tiger, while Shavers heaved for extra oxygen in a neutral corner.

At the conclusion of the 8, the Ref half-looked at Williams to ask if he were okay, Williams respons was a half-hearted nod; and the ref motioned them to continue with mere seconds left in the round. As Williams and Shavers began dragging their feet towards each other for one final salvo, Roy's legs betrayed him and he fell forward and slid down the bottom two ropes. The ref waved it off, and Earnie damn near collapsed himsefl as he raised his arms and fell into the embrace of his cornermen who had rushed the ring.


That is the basic summation of what I remember.

Thanks for the details, K-Dogg, and it appears that my desire to see that Shavers/Williams fight is even greater than before you posted that...

I'll have to track that fight down now, I guess.

Thanks for the details, K-Dogg, and it appears that my desire to see that Shavers/Williams fight is even greater than before you posted that...

I'll have to track that fight down now, I guess.


I have a feeling you won't be disappointed. The last two rounds were gems. This fight is a plain old fashion brawl, best I can figure; both guys on equal skill level....just a matter of who wants it more.

If you ever find a complete copy, let me know.

I have a feeling you won't be disappointed. The last two rounds were gems. This fight is a plain old fashion brawl, best I can figure; both guys on equal skill level....just a matter of who wants it more.

If you ever find a complete copy, let me know.

In addition to seeing a great slugfest, I'd also like to have a better look at Roy Williams and see how he does against a fighter who gives him more opportunities to set himself to punch...

The only fight I've ever seen of Williams' was the Holmes fight, but Holmes didn't stay stationary for long in that one, boxed well behind his jab of course, and succeeded in diminshing Williams' attacks and overall punch activity. Williams still looked like a dangerous fighter though, as he aggressively stalked Holmes continuously throughout the fight, and looked to have very heavy hands when he did have the opportunities let his hands go (his overhand right looking to be his best punch in his arsenal).

Oh, and yeah...if I do get a full copy of it down the road, I'll be sure to let you know.

In addition to seeing a great slugfest, I'd also like to have a better look at Roy Williams and see how he does against a fighter who gives him more opportunities to set himself to punch...

The only fight I've ever seen of Williams' was the Holmes fight, but Holmes didn't stay stationary for long in that one, boxed well behind his jab of course, and succeeded in diminshing Williams' attacks and overall punch activity. Williams still looked like a dangerous fighter though, as he aggressively stalked Holmes continuously throughout the fight, and looked to have very heavy hands when he did have the opportunities let his hands go (his overhand right looking to be his best punch in his arsenal).

Oh, and yeah...if I do get a full copy of it down the road, I'll be sure to let you know.

Never saw the Holmes fight; but given what I know about Holmes and what I saw of Williams, I can imagine. It is amazing how style make fights, simple a notion as that is.

And, yeah, defintely let me know if you ever find a full copy. Thanks. :)

I am watching Earnie Shavers Vs. Larry Holmes, and I have seen Shavers Vs. Lyle, Norton, Young, Ali, Holmes, Ellis and a few more. What a warrior, its like taking the chin, stamina, and boxing skills of Evander Holyfield and tramsforming it into Punching Power, keeping the massive heart!

So my question is, would you consider Earnie Shavers, the hardest hitter in recorded history, a all-time great? I would.:boxing:

hi again its me mrtvman from youtube well i think george foreman is the hardest puncher in boxing histery and earnie shavers is the number 2 hardest puncher in boxing histery so :) see you around peace out:boxing:

Out of curiousity, does anybody have a bunch of Shavers fights to post on here for the rest of us whose computers feel naked without them?