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Southpaw Stinger 10-09-2006, 08:30 AM The passing of the "Real" championship. Linear champions from Ali to Lewis.
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Brockton Lip 10-09-2006, 09:11 AM That was great, good post!
The Raging Bull 10-09-2006, 10:58 AM Absolutely brilliant video. K coming your way
**** I need to spread it around before giving it to southpaw stinger again
K-DOGG 10-09-2006, 11:36 AM Unfortunately, I can't view the video on this computer; but here's the lineal championship as I remember...tell me if I'm wrong on any. I'll start with Sullivan.....
John L. Sullivan
James J. Corbett
Robert Fitzsimmons
James J. Jeffries
Jack Johnson.....though this is bit unfair to Jeffries, who had retired for 5 years....as well as Hart and Burns.
Jess Willard
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney...retired
Max Schmeling
Jack Sharkey
Primo Carnera
Max Baer
James J. Braddock
Joe Louis...retired; but came back within 2 years.
Ezzard Charles
"Jersey" Joe Walcott
Rocky Marciano....retired
Floyd Patterson
Ingemar Johnanson
Floyd Patterson
Charles "Sonny" Liston
Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali.....forced to retire; but came back after 3 years.
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Muhammad Ali
Leon Spinks
Muhammad Ali....retired; but came back before two years had passed.
Larry Holmes
Michael Spinks
Mike Tyson
James "Buster" Douglas
Evander Holyfield
Riddick Bowe
Evander Holyfield
Michael Moorer
George Foreman
Shannon Briggs
Lennox Lewis
Hasim Rahman
Lennox Lewis.....retired.
How'd I do? :D
paul750 10-09-2006, 11:44 AM One of the best videos i've seen. Would be a great video to show to someone who knows little about the subject, but wants to gain knowledge.
Southpaw Stinger 10-09-2006, 02:22 PM John L. Sullivan
James J. Corbett
Robert Fitzsimmons
James J. Jeffries
Jack Johnson.....though this is bit unfair to Jeffries, who had retired for 5 years....as well as Hart and Burns.
Jess Willard
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney...retired
Max Schmeling
Jack Sharkey
Primo Carnera
Max Baer
James J. Braddock
Joe Louis...retired; but came back within 2 years.
Ezzard Charles
"Jersey" Joe Walcott
Rocky Marciano....retired
Floyd Patterson
Ingemar Johnanson
Floyd Patterson
Charles "Sonny" Liston
Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali.....forced to retire; but came back after 3 years.
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Muhammad Ali
Leon Spinks
Muhammad Ali....retired; but came back before two years had passed.
Larry Holmes
Michael Spinks
Mike Tyson
James "Buster" Douglas
Evander Holyfield
Riddick Bowe
Evander Holyfield
Michael Moorer
George Foreman
Shannon Briggs
Lennox Lewis
Hasim Rahman
Lennox Lewis.....retired.
I think you got em all!
hemichromis 10-09-2006, 02:36 PM nice video excelt tyhe part where it said shannon briggs beat foreman! i can't believe i'm still bitter!
Southpaw Stinger 10-09-2006, 02:38 PM nice video excelt tyhe part where it said shannon briggs beat foreman! i can't believe i'm still bitter!
Foreman was robbed I tells ya!!
RockyMarcianofan00 10-09-2006, 02:46 PM Nice video
briggs never won the title from Foreman, foreman vacated it several fights before
and where is McCall,Bruno,Seldon?
briggs never won the title from Foreman, foreman vacated it several fights before
Linear champion is quite different than alpha titles, DD, and can only be won & lost inside the ring...barring a fighter's permanent retirement, of course.
Neither McCall, Bruno, or Seldon ever won a linear title.
Southpaw Stinger 10-09-2006, 06:22 PM and where is McCall,Bruno,Seldon?
They were never the "Real" Heavyweight champions.
They were never the "Real" Heavyweight champions.
they beat the man that the organizations thought the best. and yea, they were real heavyweight champions
Southpaw Stinger 10-09-2006, 06:35 PM they beat the man that the organizations thought the best. and yea, they were real heavyweight champions
They held Alphabet titles but were never considered "The" Heavyweight Champion of the world. They were only considered "A" heavyweight champion.
We all live in only one world, and I don't see how we can possibly have four fighters all claiming to be the world's champion of a particular division...
Doesn't make any sense.
Southpaw Stinger 10-09-2006, 06:53 PM We all live in only one world, and I don't see how we can possibly have four fighters all claiming to be the world's champion of a particular division...
Doesn't make any sense.
Indeed. Which is why I follow the rings ratings/champions more than the pointless alphabet sanctioning bodies.
hemichromis 10-10-2006, 04:56 PM surely the wbc is THE championship bruno won that from mccall
K-DOGG 10-14-2006, 01:34 PM surely the wbc is THE championship bruno won that from mccall
Nope. McCall had won it from Lewis who was awarded it by default. Lewis never won that belt in the ring; Riddick Bowe was the Real World Champ at this time.
hemichromis 10-14-2006, 01:54 PM Nope. McCall had won it from Lewis who was awarded it by default. Lewis never won that belt in the ring; Riddick Bowe was the Real World Champ at this time.
ok thats stupid. riddick refused to fight lennox even though he was the number one contender. champions should fight anyone who attains number one contender status. otherwise you could get a boxer fighting only bums and retaining his title into his 60's!!
Southpaw Stinger 10-14-2006, 02:10 PM ok thats stupid. riddick refused to fight lennox even though he was the number one contender. champions should fight anyone who attains number one contender status. otherwise you could get a boxer fighting only bums and retaining his title into his 60's!!
Maybe Bowe did refuse to fight Lewis but the point of the Linear title is that it can only be lost in the ring.
K-DOGG 10-14-2006, 02:36 PM ok thats stupid. riddick refused to fight lennox even though he was the number one contender. champions should fight anyone who attains number one contender status. otherwise you could get a boxer fighting only bums and retaining his title into his 60's!!
I beg your pardon. There's nothing stupid about it. I'm not saying Riddick was right for dumping the belt. In fact I deplore the fact that he out and out ducked him; but Sam Langford and Peter Jackson and many others from the past were "ducked" as well.....and even thought Sam Langford was the Colored World Heavyweight Champion, he still wasn't the champ......and neither was Lewis until he beat Briggs.
To be the man, you have to beat the man.....it's like a communicable disease, you have to have contact with someone to catch certain non-airborne viruses and you have to actually fight and defeat the World Champion to be the World Champion.
It's a pretty simple concept, actually.
hemichromis 10-14-2006, 03:59 PM archie moore was ducked for 16 years when he finally got the championship he kept it for 9 years that shows how good he was and makes you wonder why it took so long.
i hate it when fighters duck other fighters its just wrong but i dont see how you couldpunish lewis because riddick was too afraid to fight him!
K-DOGG 10-14-2006, 04:04 PM archie moore was ducked for 16 years when he finally got the championship he kept it for 9 years that shows how good he was and makes you wonder why it took so long.
i hate it when fighters duck other fighters its just wrong but i dont see how you couldpunish lewis because riddick was too afraid to fight him!
LOL!!!! I'm not punishing Lewis!!!
Riddick Bowe ducked him and truth don't play favorites. Just because Lewis would more than likely have beaten Bowe, it doesn't make him the champ....only whoever fought and beat Bowe could do that. One world, one world champion.
Personally, I think Lewis would probably have Knocked Bowe out.....but because the fight never happened, we'll never know.
Lewis was ranked highly by the WBA and the IBF too, ya know. He didn't have to take the WBC belt and Bowe would have had to fight him eventually....or Holyfield would have. Lewis decided to be called champion by an organization without merit, thus making sure he wouldn't be ranked by anyone else. So, Lewis punished himself, from a certain point of view.
Southpaw Stinger 10-14-2006, 04:09 PM archie moore was ducked for 16 years when he finally got the championship he kept it for 9 years that shows how good he was and makes you wonder why it took so long.
Wasn't Moore eventually stripped of the title though for not defending it enough himself?
hemichromis 10-15-2006, 05:43 AM LOL!!!! I'm not punishing Lewis!!!
Riddick Bowe ducked him and truth don't play favorites. Just because Lewis would more than likely have beaten Bowe, it doesn't make him the champ....only whoever fought and beat Bowe could do that. One world, one world champion.
Personally, I think Lewis would probably have Knocked Bowe out.....but because the fight never happened, we'll never know.
Lewis was ranked highly by the WBA and the IBF too, ya know. He didn't have to take the WBC belt and Bowe would have had to fight him eventually....or Holyfield would have. Lewis decided to be called champion by an organization without merit, thus making sure he wouldn't be ranked by anyone else. So, Lewis punished himself, from a certain point of view.
bowe was told in no uncertain terms that if he didn't fight lewis he would be stripped yet he still refused to fight i dont see how anyone can remain a champion by refusing to fight!
K-DOGG 10-15-2006, 07:12 AM bowe was told in no uncertain terms that if he didn't fight lewis he would be stripped yet he still refused to fight i dont see how anyone can remain a champion by refusing to fight!
It wasn't the first, nor will it be the last.
Lennox, if you will remember, was stripped for "ducking" his number 1 contenders, John Ruiz and Chris Byrd. Do they deserve to be called World Champion more than him?
potatoes 10-18-2006, 03:22 PM Lennox Lewis may have been the so called "linear champion" but the fact remains he was not cut from the same cloth as the great champions like Joe Louis. Louis never ducked any fights and he always gave rematches to anybody who felt they deserved one. Compare that to Lewis who did everything he could to avoid the fight with Vitali Klitschko, that is until HBO lowered the boom. Then he wins by a lucky TKO and refuses to grant the rematch. If that is what being a "linear champion" is all about, then I really don't give a damn about it. What I want to see is a REAL champion like Joe Louis emerge from the rubble.
wmute 10-18-2006, 03:33 PM Foreman was robbed I tells ya!!
true that
but schultz (or however it is spelled) was robbed against him before that...
wmute 10-18-2006, 03:37 PM Lennox Lewis may have been the so called "linear champion" but the fact remains he was not cut from the same cloth as the great champions like Joe Louis. Louis never ducked any fights and he always gave rematches to anybody who felt they deserved one. Compare that to Lewis who did everything he could to avoid the fight with Vitali Klitschko, that is until HBO lowered the boom. Then he wins by a lucky TKO and refuses to grant the rematch. If that is what being a "linear champion" is all about, then I really don't give a damn about it. What I want to see is a REAL champion like Joe Louis emerge from the rubble.
not a big lewis fan, but when you are 38 and you are a boxer you have all rights to retire (where was joe louis at 38? in his SECOND retirement)
as for "lucky TKO", that is your opinion thank you for sharing it
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