Why people bash Vitaly and Wlad so much? Voice your opinions, please.

Both brothers are very accomplished, bright, and intelligent fighters. I just can't see reasons for bashing them other than for pure fun.

One has a glass jaw and one is a robot..

Why people bash Vitaly and Wlad so much? Voice your opinions, please.

Both borthers are very accomplished, bright, and intelligent fighters. I just can't see reasons for bashing them other than for pure fun.

Well.. the reason why so many (people) are so desperate to put these faboulus athletes down, has some of the same motives as when they gave Vitali two weeks !! to prepare for the lennox fight.

anybody who knos anything knows that preparing for fighters styles means everything and they had Vit preparing for a short canadian for six months, then have two weeks to prepare for a giant jamaican..

now this aint fair play and it well goes to prove how whoever has pover in the us (WWF!! har, har!) boxing game is scared silly of this new healthy blood, and they'll dive to any chepshot honourless dirty sickening tacktic to seemingly have their way..

off course this means poisoning Wlad! Look at these people!

Look at the olympics! The us boxing scene is a wrestling show for drunk, stupid little kids. Good morning america!

the so called world titles does not always reflect the better boxers, and certainly never has!

don king cunt is probably on some cia payroll and this particular branch again controlled by some old traditional us money\power family.

and these people have some interest in portraying the us as the toughest marine on earth. and its not true cause theyre on crack and scared silly of the oncoming europeans..

check out Nickolai Valuev.. Now go running scared!

This is boxing. Being bright and intelligent don't mean *****

Their main job is to win and to be entertaining for the paying public in the process. Chris Byrd is bright and intelligent. That don't mean ***** to me. He still sucks to watch and I hate him. We're talking about FIGHTERS here. Not a babysitter or your daughter's prom date. Who gives a f&ck!

If you're not entertaining, you end up most of your career like Hopkins and Wright. Very good but nobody's tearing down the gates to see you therefore you don't get the big money fights.

That said, HBO signed Wlad and began pushing him as the future of boxing. Everyone was talking about how he could beat Lennox less than 2 years ago. Now he's basically a white version of Michael Grant.

No confidence, no chin and little heart.

Vitali is the best of a ***** lot of heavyweights. That doesn't say anything about him as a fighter, but his division sucks. Therefore whoever is the "champ" will get criticized heavily. Roy Jones, James Toney and Chris Byrd just a year ago were 3 of the top 5 or 6 heavyweights in boxing. All three were once MIDDLEWEIGHTS.

Therefore the conclusion is they all basically suck.

Andrew Golota, if he has the poise to not snap under pressure, would shame Vitali.

Wlad needs to quit. He struggles and gets knocked down by a bum Davarryl williamson who "Sloppy" Joe Mesi KO'd in one round.

This is boxing. Being bright and intelligent don't mean *****

Their main job is to win and to be entertaining for the paying public in the process. Chris Byrd is bright and intelligent. That don't mean ***** to me. He still sucks to watch and I hate him. We're talking about FIGHTERS here. Not a babysitter or your daughter's prom date. Who gives a f&ck!

If you're not entertaining, you end up most of your career like Hopkins and Wright. Very good but nobody's tearing down the gates to see you therefore you don't get the big money fights.

That said, HBO signed Wlad and began pushing him as the future of boxing. Everyone was talking about how he could beat Lennox less than 2 years ago. Now he's basically a white version of Michael Grant.

No confidence, no chin and little heart.

Vitali is the best of a ***** lot of heavyweights. That doesn't say anything about him as a fighter, but his division sucks. Therefore whoever is the "champ" will get criticized heavily. Roy Jones, James Toney and Chris Byrd just a year ago were 3 of the top 5 or 6 heavyweights in boxing. All three were once MIDDLEWEIGHTS.

Therefore the conclusion is they all basically suck.

Andrew Golota, if he has the poise to not snap under pressure, would shame Vitali.

Wlad needs to quit. He struggles and gets knocked down by a bum Davarryl williamson who "Sloppy" Joe Mesi KO'd in one round.


Ah! How I'd love to punch you in the stomack.. Sweet jesus!!

Pansyboy,

I'd kick you in the balls if you had a pair! :eek:

Pansyboy,

I'd kick you in the balls if you had a pair! :eek:

I'd love to see you try! Why don't ya telegraph me as you try to raise one foot!!

One has a glass jaw and one is a robot..
Sad but true.

The fact that people are idiotic enough to compare Wlad and Grant explains everything.

Sad but true.

And what are you, a dancing frog? why dontcha go quack the hell away!

Why people bash Vitaly and Wlad so much? Voice your opinions, please.

Both brothers are very accomplished, bright, and intelligent fighters. I just can't see reasons for bashing them other than for pure fun.


Point#1---Wlad is NOT accomplished. If you want to consider getting to contendership and then getting your ass kayoed left and right being 'accomplished', you're nuts. Of course it is a level of accomplishment, but looking at the big picture it means ****. Don't give me that "He was WBO champ" garbage.

Point#2---People tend to 'hate' to the same extreme that fans 'nuthug'. I've heard some completely INSANE crap from the Klitschko fans before--I mean seriously insane. Even more insane than RJJ fans, and that's a goddamn accomplishment.

Point#3--Stop being a whiner, grow some thicker skin and STFU.

Point#1---Wlad is NOT accomplished. If you want to consider getting to contendership and then getting your ass kayoed left and right being 'accomplished', you're nuts. Of course it is a level of accomplishment, but looking at the big picture it means ****. Don't give me that "He was WBO champ" garbage.

Point#2---People tend to 'hate' to the same extreme that fans 'nuthug'. I've heard some completely INSANE crap from the Klitschko fans before--I mean seriously insane. Even more insane than RJJ fans, and that's a goddamn accomplishment.

Point#3--Stop being a whiner, grow some thicker skin and STFU.

Isane crap like what, punchy?

Oh jesus, ******** was the home base for Klitschko idiocy....Wlad was drugged against Brewster, Wlad would beat Joe Louis, Vitali would beat Ali, Vitali is in the top 10 p4p all time, Vitali is one of the 5 best heavyweight punchers ever...and so on, and so on, and so on...

Oh jesus, ******** was the home base for Klitschko idiocy....Wlad was drugged against Brewster, Wlad would beat Joe Louis, Vitali would beat Ali, Vitali is in the top 10 p4p all time, Vitali is one of the 5 best heavyweight punchers ever...and so on, and so on, and so on...

Yeah I used to post there and the majority of those claims were made by people who weren't even Klitschko fans. Anything else?

Oh jesus, ******** was the home base for Klitschko idiocy....Wlad was drugged against Brewster, Wlad would beat Joe Louis, Vitali would beat Ali, Vitali is in the top 10 p4p all time, Vitali is one of the 5 best heavyweight punchers ever...and so on, and so on, and so on...

Got a problem with that, are you out of beer or something?

Hell, complain to me! I'll send you a recipe for some cheap **** you can brew yourself!

One has a glass jaw and one is a robot..

:D I suppose Tito is a ***** too?

I agree with Wlad but Vitali you have to give some credit. I would at least compare him to Frankenstein than a robot. :p

Seriously though i don't think Wlad has a promising future and it's a shame because it looked like he had good potential at one point. As for Vitali i think he has got a promising future but thats only because he is the best out of a pretty poor set of heavyweights. Non of the heavyweights of this era are anything exceptional. I hope Vitali does well because i do respect him purely because he is willing to fight anyone to prove himself and i admire that.

Got a problem with that, are you out of beer or something?

Hell, complain to me! I'll send you a recipe for some cheap **** you can brew yourself!

I don't drink *******. That's why I'm actually lucid when it comes to fighters.

Unless you have a valid point to make , hush up, child.

I guess that's a no. Pretty weak.

:D Seriously though i don't think Wlad has a promising future and it's a shame because it looked like he had good potential at one point. As for Vitali i think he has got a promising future but thats only because he is the best out of a pretty poor set of heavyweights. Non of the heavyweights of this era are anything exceptional. I hope Vitali does well because i do respect him purely because he is willing to fight anyone to prove himself and i admire that.


Every era has one or two exceptional fighters and not more. ;) E.g., Tyson was exceptional in his prime; and he is not any more.

I think we always tend to compare the current few years with relatively long time spans, like the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s. A more fair comparison will be the 10s vs these other spans.

This is boxing. Being bright and intelligent don't mean *****

Their main job is to win and to be entertaining for the paying public in the process. Chris Byrd is bright and intelligent. That don't mean ***** to me. He still sucks to watch and I hate him. We're talking about FIGHTERS here. Not a babysitter or your daughter's prom date. Who gives a f&ck!

If you're not entertaining, you end up most of your career like Hopkins and Wright. Very good but nobody's tearing down the gates to see you therefore you don't get the big money fights.

That said, HBO signed Wlad and began pushing him as the future of boxing. Everyone was talking about how he could beat Lennox less than 2 years ago. Now he's basically a white version of Michael Grant.

No confidence, no chin and little heart.

Vitali is the best of a ***** lot of heavyweights. That doesn't say anything about him as a fighter, but his division sucks. Therefore whoever is the "champ" will get criticized heavily. Roy Jones, James Toney and Chris Byrd just a year ago were 3 of the top 5 or 6 heavyweights in boxing. All three were once MIDDLEWEIGHTS.

Therefore the conclusion is they all basically suck.

Andrew Golota, if he has the poise to not snap under pressure, would shame Vitali.

Wlad needs to quit. He struggles and gets knocked down by a bum Davarryl williamson who "Sloppy" Joe Mesi KO'd in one round.

you sir are an idiot

congratulations

I don't drink *******. That's why I'm actually lucid when it comes to fighters.

Unless you have a valid point to make , hush up, child.

Well I don't drink either, and hail allah to that!

you should do some prosac anyho cause your view on some brilliant fighters are totally depressive.

suck it up, *****!

Every era has one or two exceptional fighters and not more. ;) E.g., Tyson was exceptional in his prime; and he is not any more.

I think we always tend to compare the current few years with relatively long time spans, like the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s. A more fair comparison will be the 10s vs these other years.

True, perhaps we are been harsh at judging Vitali but i do think he needs to prove himself more. He needs a fight against Chris Byrd and John Ruiz. If he can unify the titles and get a few title defenses under his belt then maybe respect will come his way. We have been spoilt over the years with exceptional champions and now we are having a lull it's easy to judge alot more harshly. I suppose the thing is will he ever get to unify the titles? I say this because Don King likes to keep his fighters well protected.

you sir are an idiot

congratulations

I think he is laying that fact on a little to thick.

At least those two are better to watch than John Ruiz.

I guess that's a no. Pretty weak.

Anything else what??? It's obvious that you have Klitschko **** planted in your buttcheeks, so whatever I may say would be taken with a grain of salt anyway. So what's the use? Any answer than, "Oh god they're grat and the bestest and coolest ever!!" Wouldn't satisfy you.

I'd rather argue with my blender than a Klitschko fan when discussing the merits of the Klit boys.

Anything else what??? It's obvious that you have Klitschko **** planted in your buttcheeks, so whatever I may say would be taken with a grain of salt anyway. So what's the use? Any answer than, "Oh god they're grat and the bestest and coolest ever!!" Wouldn't satisfy you.

I'd rather argue with my blender than a Klitschko fan when discussing the merits of the Klit boys.

You skipped over this, so let's try it again.

Yeah I used to post there and the majority of those claims were made by people who weren't even Klitschko fans. Anything else?

True, perhaps we are been harsh at judging Vitali but i do think he needs to prove himself more. He needs a fight against Chris Byrd and John Ruiz. If he can unify the titles and get a few title defenses under his belt then maybe respect will come his way. We have been spoilt over the years with exceptional champions and now we are having a lull it's easy to judge alot more harshly. I suppose the thing is will he ever get to unify the titles? I say this because Don King likes to keep his fighters well protected.


King will keep them protected for sure. I just can't see King letting the belts go. I hope HBO or some other organization will rein in the business side of boxing under some control.

At least those two are better to watch than John Ruiz.

Yes. and I guess you're hillarious to watch!

And??? Of course you're going to say they're not fans since they make the relatively sane fans look like asses.

And it's not just ********. That was just ground zero for the idiots.

But of course, you'll tell me every one of those people weren't Klit fans, right?

King will keep them protected for sure. I just can't see King letting the belts go. I hope HBO or some other organization will rein in the business side of boxing under some control.

Don King is a ass. Fighters like Lamon Brewster are going to have a shortlived reign as champion because quite frankly he is garbage. John Ruiz will hopefully lose soon and then there will be Chris Byrd. Out of all of kings heavyweights Byrd is definatly the best but i can see him having a rough time against Jameel McCline in his upcoming fight. He always seems to struggle more against tall powerful guys.

And??? Of course you're going to say they're not fans since they make the relatively sane fans look like asses.

And it's not just ********. That was just ground zero for the idiots.

But of course, you'll tell me every one of those people weren't Klit fans, right?

There were only two, Farmboxer and onewarrior5, over the top Klit fanatics. The rest of them were people like LanceUppercut and Orishman posting under other names.

Don King is a ass. Fighters like Lamon Brewster are going to have a shortlived reign as champion because quite frankly he is garbage. John Ruiz will hopefully lose soon and then there will be Chris Byrd. Out of all of kings heavyweights Byrd is definatly the best but i can see him having a rough time against Jameel McCline in his upcoming fight. He always seems to struggle more against tall powerful guys.

Jameel will have some chances, but I think one needs better skills than what he has to beat Chris convincingly. That fight will go to the scorecards and, to me, the outcome is clear already.

Jameel will have some chances, but I think one needs better skills than what he has to beat Chris convincingly. That fight will go to the scorecards and, to me, the outcome is clear already.

It only takes one punch to turn a fight around and thats what Jameel has. The question is can he land it on a defensive master? I don't think so either. He needs to bully Byrd around the ring like Golota did and keep coming forward.

There were only two, Farmboxer and onewarrior5, over the top Klit fanatics. The rest of them were people like LanceUppercut and Orishman posting under other names.

Oh lord, Farmboxer...... :confused: :confused: :confused:

Go to Saddo, Boxing Addicts, etc... ******** was not the only place you could find such lunacy.

It only takes one punch to turn a fight around and thats what Jameel has. The question is can he land it on a defensive master? I don't think so either. He needs to bully Byrd around the ring like Golota did and keep coming forward.

I agree. Jameel should try to adopt Golota's strategy in this fight.


BTW, what happenned to that Sopranos avatar of yours?

Oh lord, Farmboxer...... :confused: :confused: :confused:

Go to Saddo, Boxing Addicts, etc... ******** was not the only place you could find such lunacy.


Why are you so beligerent?

Oh lord, Farmboxer...... :confused: :confused: :confused:

Go to Saddo, Boxing Addicts, etc... ******** was not the only place you could find such lunacy.

your avatar is lunacy..

keep watching them fights, they'll have you laughing all the way to the sanatarium!

I agree. Jameel should try to adopt Golota's strategy in this fight.


BWT, what happenned to that Sopranos avatar of yours?

:D I got bored of it. I am doing tribute avatars and signatures to various fighters now who i like.

:D I got bored of it. I am doing tribute avatars and signatures to various fighters now who i like.


I am doing the same to my favorite bands. I will be switching to books soon.

I am doing the same to my favorite bands. I will be switching to books soon.

Thats cool, it's good to have a change. Avatars are personal and can reflect the personality of someone. I've got to go now, stay cool. ;)

Wlad won a disputed decision vs. a guy in Williamson who not only has no chin (ask Willie Champman and Joe Mesi, a pair of club level heavyweights) but has no skill. Sloppy jab, really bad technique and about half the size of Wlad. The fact that fight is even competitive is a disgrace considering Wlad was "the next champ."

I can only assume you did not see the fight. If you did you shut the f&ck up about Wlad.

Wlad was the heir apparent to topple Lewis (like Grant), Wlad turned out to have no chin (like Grant), he's a big phsyically impressive fighter (like Grant), he has a good punch (like Grant) but has no confidence (like Grant) and should be mowing down a guy with the size and skill of Williamson. Actually, Grant got off the canvas and came back to stop Golota. He's shown more heart than Wlad. So I guess you're right. Bad comparison. Wlad hasn't even made it far enough to earn a shot at the title like Grant!

You're an apologist.

I bet you bought the explanation that Wlad lost to Brewster (yet another garbage heavyweight) because of the "vaseline" theory. The only place there's vaseline is between your buttcheeks from taking it so hard from your hero.

I think some people simply mistake valid criticism for hating.

When everyone was annointing Wlad as the heir apparent to the heavyweight thrown, i think it was a bit premature. Yes, he looked awesome in every way and destroyed everyone in his path, but, aside from Byrd whom he outweighed by 20+ pounds, he didn't beat one viable opponent until he beat McCline.

Now, its seems like everytime he is pressured, he folds. To me, he hasn't proved enough.

Vitali is a different story. He has heart, a solid chin, and doesn't back down. However, he is very unpolished and often sloppy in the ring. Still, he overcomes this lack of technique with sheer determination. I'm not sure how far that alone will take him. Possibly to the title considering how horrid the division is right now, but he wouldn't have survived in the tougher eras.

I think some people simply mistake valid criticism for hating.

When everyone was annointing Wlad as the heir apparent to the heavyweight thrown, i think it was a bit premature. Yes, he looked awesome in every way and destroyed everyone in his path, but, aside from Byrd whom he outweighed by 20+ pounds, he didn't beat one viable opponent until he beat McCline.

Now, its seems like everytime he is pressured, he folds. To me, he hasn't proved enough.

Vitali is a different story. He has heart, a solid chin, and doesn't back down. However, he is very unpolished and often sloppy in the ring. Still, he overcomes this lack of technique with sheer determination. I'm not sure how far that alone will take him. Possibly to the title considering how horrid the division is right now, but he wouldn't have survived in the tougher eras.

Hater. :rolleyes:

Why are you so beligerent?

WTF are you blabbering about?

WTF are you blabbering about?


you are boring

Wlad won a disputed decision vs. a guy in Williamson who not only has no chin (ask Willie Champman and Joe Mesi, a pair of club level heavyweights) but has no skill. Sloppy jab, really bad technique and about half the size of Wlad. The fact that fight is even competitive is a disgrace considering Wlad was "the next champ."

I can only assume you did not see the fight. If you did you shut the f&ck up about Wlad.

Wlad was the heir apparent to topple Lewis (like Grant), Wlad turned out to have no chin (like Grant), he's a big phsyically impressive fighter (like Grant), he has a good punch (like Grant) but has no confidence (like Grant) and should be mowing down a guy with the size and skill of Williamson. Actually, Grant got off the canvas and came back to stop Golota. He's shown more heart than Wlad. So I guess you're right. Bad comparison. Wlad hasn't even made it far enough to earn a shot at the title like Grant!

You're an apologist.

I bet you bought the explanation that Wlad lost to Brewster (yet another garbage heavyweight) because of the "vaseline" theory. The only place there's vaseline is between your buttcheeks from taking it so hard from your hero.


I like Wlad, but i gotta agree with most of what your saying. Wlad does have skills, until the corrie sanders fight, i loved to watch him fight. However, since then, he has not performed at the level he should/could. I dont think the decision for the williamson fight should be very disputed though. anyone have the punch stats?

the heavyweight division is the best it has ever been. ever!

I think some people simply mistake valid criticism for hating.

When everyone was annointing Wlad as the heir apparent to the heavyweight thrown, i think it was a bit premature. Yes, he looked awesome in every way and destroyed everyone in his path, but, aside from Byrd whom he outweighed by 20+ pounds, he didn't beat one viable opponent until he beat McCline.

Now, its seems like everytime he is pressured, he folds. To me, he hasn't proved enough.

Vitali is a different story. He has heart, a solid chin, and doesn't back down. However, he is very unpolished and often sloppy in the ring. Still, he overcomes this lack of technique with sheer determination. I'm not sure how far that alone will take him. Possibly to the title considering how horrid the division is right now, but he wouldn't have survived in the tougher eras.

So what are Barrett, Mercer, Botha, Schulz, and Jefferson? Apparently you missed TOS pressure him in the 4th after the KD and Wlad coming back to win the round on each of the 3 judges scorecards.

Wlad won a disputed decision vs. a guy in Williamson who not only has no chin (ask Willie Champman and Joe Mesi, a pair of club level heavyweights) but has no skill. Sloppy jab, really bad technique and about half the size of Wlad. The fact that fight is even competitive is a disgrace considering Wlad was "the next champ."

I can only assume you did not see the fight. If you did you shut the f&ck up about Wlad.

Wlad was the heir apparent to topple Lewis (like Grant), Wlad turned out to have no chin (like Grant), he's a big phsyically impressive fighter (like Grant), he has a good punch (like Grant) but has no confidence (like Grant) and should be mowing down a guy with the size and skill of Williamson. Actually, Grant got off the canvas and came back to stop Golota. He's shown more heart than Wlad. So I guess you're right. Bad comparison. Wlad hasn't even made it far enough to earn a shot at the title like Grant!

You're an apologist.

I bet you bought the explanation that Wlad lost to Brewster (yet another garbage heavyweight) because of the "vaseline" theory. The only place there's vaseline is between your buttcheeks from taking it so hard from your hero.

Besides the KD how was the fight competative? Wlad didn't look very good, but the fight was anything but competitive. I can only assume that you didn't see the fight.

As for Grant and Wlad. I guessed you missed McCline KD Grant and basically finish him with the first punch of the fight. Keep digging yourself a deeper hole. Let's see how deep you can make it.

So what are Barrett, Mercer, Botha, Schulz, and Jefferson? Apparently you missed TOS pressure him in the 4th after the KD and Wlad coming back to win the round on each of the 3 judges scorecards.

To be honest, they were has-beens and never-weres. Do you seriously consider those fighters title contenders? Sure, they were somewhat of nice stepping blocks, but not viable opponents that could've tested him.

As for Klitchko-Williamson, i didn't see the fight so i can't comment on it. But from what i've heard, he didn't look too impressive.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to hate on Wlad. All i'm saying is that he didn't prove enough to be labeled the next great, unbeatable champion, no matter how hard the HBO crew pushed that idea. He still has the tools, but it takes a lot more than physical talent to become a champ.

To be honest, they were has-beens and never-weres. Do you seriously consider those fighters title contenders? Sure, they were somewhat of nice stepping blocks, but not viable opponents that could've tested him.

As for Klitchko-Williamson, i didn't see the fight so i can't comment on it. But from what i've heard, he didn't look too impressive.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to hate on Wlad. All i'm saying is that he didn't prove enough to be labeled the next great, unbeatable champion, no matter how hard the HBO crew pushed that idea. He still has the tools, but it takes a lot more than physical talent to become a champ.

Yes I do. All of them could become champs in this current field if they were still active. I guess you are saying that former IBF heavyweight champion Botha and former WBO heavyweight champion Mercer were has beens. I guess you are saying Jefferson, Schulz, and Barrett were never weres. Jefferson was a banger and he caught Wlad in the beginning of the fight with a huge right. Schulz was good enough to SD lose to a prime Moorer and MD lose to Foreman in a controversial decision where Foreman gave up his belt so he wouldn't have to fight Schulz again. Barrett destroyed Guinn and lost a MD to Mesi in a very close fight in which he KD him once.

Jameel McCline???? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

The same McCLine who lost to Sedrick Fields? Whose signature victory was that KO of a shot Micheal Grant and a 10 round struggle with an inactive, out of shape 290-pound Shannon Briggs? It took Wlad 10 rounds to get rid of him. The same McCline vs. a prime Lennox, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield lasts about 2 rounds maximum.

Luckily for Wlad, McCline was as afraid of Wlad as Wlad was afraid of him.


Try watching the fights you talk about. you obviously dont

Jameel McCline???? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

The same McCLine who lost to Sedrick Fields? Whose signature victory was that KO of a shot Micheal Grant and a 10 round struggle with an inactive, out of shape 290-pound Shannon Briggs? It took Wlad 10 rounds to get rid of him. The same McCline vs. a prime Lennox, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield lasts about 2 rounds maximum.

Luckily for Wlad, McCline was as afraid of Wlad as Wlad was afraid of him.


Try watching the fights you talk about. you obviously dont

mccline was regarded as the next big thing out there, till he met wlad. he met a soviet style boxer who threw him around like mccline was a dirty little ragdoll. getting beaten by the left hand to add to the humiliation..

and mccline will probably punch byrd out of the ring if he connects.

Is your avatar depicting your mother? She's cute, make her PM me, I'll give her a good son.. We'll dump you in the river!

Jefferson was a banger and he caught Wlad in the beginning of the fight with a huge right.

Simply because he was had decent power and caught Wlad with a huge right makes him a good fighter? In his three fights prior to meeting Wladimir, he went 1-2 losing to Obed Sullivan and David Izon.

Schulz was good enough to SD lose to a prime Moorer and MD lose to Foreman in a controversial decision where Foreman gave up his belt so he wouldn't have to fight Schulz again.

Oh, he was good enough to lose?

Barrett destroyed Guinn and lost a MD to Mesi in a very close fight in which he KD him once.

I usually don't like to put down fighters, but Mesi is an overrated hype job. Posting a win against him isn't very special...and Barret still couldn't do it.

I suppose i shouldn't have asked if these fighters were title contenders since that would prove nothing in the abysmal state the division is in. However, i still wouldn't pick any of them to beat the likes of Byrd or even Ruiz.

Jameel McCline???? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

The same McCLine who lost to Sedrick Fields? Whose signature victory was that KO of a shot Micheal Grant and a 10 round struggle with an inactive, out of shape 290-pound Shannon Briggs? It took Wlad 10 rounds to get rid of him. The same McCline vs. a prime Lennox, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield lasts about 2 rounds maximum.

Luckily for Wlad, McCline was as afraid of Wlad as Wlad was afraid of him.


Try watching the fights you talk about. you obviously dont

You were the one comparing Wlad to Grant not me. Way to two step your way out of it.

A lot of people thought he was, why do you still hold him to a standard only a portion of the public bought into in the first place? Why is he such garbage now, because he didn't bum rush Williamson and risk getting caught on the way in? That's ****ing stupid. If that's what you want, then you know what they say, if you want it done right, do it yourself Free Willy. Wlad made the fight less one-sided by laying back, which is what Manny was telling him to do. Maybe more of us should live in the gym the way many of these guys do, and more of us would have a little insight as to why it's a bad idea to throw caution to the wind and bumrush a guy to land a big shot. I thought he fought a decent fight, considering the other guy did next to nothing. How can you even say it was a competetive fight just Williamson didn't get knocked out? He was never even close to being in the fight, and that **** about Wlad getting tired in the later rounds is stupid. Hell, I could have lasted 10 rounds with him if that was all he was going to do lol

That post was directed at free Willy

Simply because he was had decent power and caught Wlad with a huge right makes him a good fighter? In his three fights prior to meeting Wladimir, he went 1-2 losing to Obed Sullivan and David Izon.



Oh, he was good enough to lose?



I usually don't like to put down fighters, but Mesi is an overrated hype job. Posting a win against him isn't very special...and Barret still couldn't do it.

I suppose i shouldn't have asked if these fighters were title contenders since that would prove nothing in the abysmal state the division is in. However, i still wouldn't pick any of them to beat the likes of Byrd or even Ruiz.

Jefferson lost to Maskaev not Sullivan. I was merely pointing out that Wlad got caught with a great punch and he didn't panick. Schulz losing close controversial fights to great fighters obviously doesn't make him a never was like you claimed. Mesi might be overrated, but what does that make Toney? Mesi was able to easily outbox Jirov until he ran out of gas, which was something James the second coming Toney could not do. So let me get this straight you would favor Byrd and Ruiz over a prime Mercer, Botha, Schulz, and Barrett? I guess they are all debateable except a prime Mercer would destroy them both.

Nice topic.

Ya'll know what I will say.....so, why bother saying it?

To be honest, they were has-beens and never-weres. Do you seriously consider those fighters title contenders? Sure, they were somewhat of nice stepping blocks, but not viable opponents that could've tested him.

As for Klitchko-Williamson, i didn't see the fight so i can't comment on it. But from what i've heard, he didn't look too impressive.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to hate on Wlad. All i'm saying is that he didn't prove enough to be labeled the next great, unbeatable champion, no matter how hard the HBO crew pushed that idea. He still has the tools, but it takes a lot more than physical talent to become a champ.


i agree completely. the willaimson fight was ugly, but wlad probably outlanded him 3 to 1. i dont know the final punch statistics.

i agree completely. the willaimson fight was ugly, but wlad probably outlanded him 3 to 1. i dont know the final punch statistics.

I guess you missed my thread about them. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=737

I guess you missed my thread about them. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=737


thanks, yeah, 88 landed by Wlad to 30 by TOS. What were we thinking, TOS was dominating like he said. he deserves a rematch :rolleyes: after seeing that, i cant believe this man had the nerve to say that. Ok he knocked Wlad down, but did anyone see his eyes roll in the back of his head that same round when Wlad landed a normal right cross. TOS can eat my Sh**. :D

Jefferson lost to Maskaev not Sullivan. I was merely pointing out that Wlad got caught with a great punch and he didn't panick. Schulz losing close controversial fights to great fighters obviously doesn't make him a never was like you claimed. Mesi might be overrated, but what does that make Toney? Mesi was able to easily outbox Jirov until he ran out of gas, which was something James the second coming Toney could not do. So let me get this straight you would favor Byrd and Ruiz over a prime Mercer, Botha, Schulz, and Barrett? I guess they are all debateable except a prime Mercer would destroy them both.

Ok, Schulz wasn't a "never was", but the bottom line is that Schulz was never a very good fighter either. Losing close fights to a 45 year old Foreman and to an average former heavyweight champ doesn't consitute as being one.

Mesi was Jirov's first fight at heavyweight and came in at 212; Vassiliy weighed in at 188 against Toney. He is a natural cruiserweight and was a much more effective fighter at that division. Still, Toney was able to close the show, unlike Mesi. Even at heavyweight, i'd take Toney anyday over Mesi.

Yes, i would take Byrd and Ruiz over any of Wlad's opponents prior to McCline. And why throw in a prime Mercer? The version Wlad beat was a shell of himself and was clearly past his best. Though Wlad completely dominated Mercer, Ray was still able to bust up his face. Had Wlad beaten a prime Mercer, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I wouldn't question him, but he didn't beat prime a Mercer.

Let me just say once again, i think Wlad is a fine fighter, with exceptional tools and physical attributes (though some flaws as well). I simply didn't think he earned the label as "unbeatable" or "the next great heavyweight champion". His record didn't deserves such lofty praise.

I know why people bash Vladimir and Vitaliy. I will tell you why.

I have noticed that the people who bash Vladimir and Vitali are either Roy Jones fans, Lennox Lewis fans, Mike Tyson fans, or James Toney fans. These are the only fans who bash Wladimir and Vitali. Look closely at those fans. What has happened to their fighters recently? Think very carefully what has happened to their fighters. Now you know the answer why they bash Wladimir and Vitali.



Nautilus, I couldn't help it. I had to post on your topic.

Well, I guess that makes as much sense as any other reason people would continue to attack fighters verbally that never disrespect anyone.

Winter

I bash Vitaly and Wlad.....I am a Felix Trinidad fan. You forgot about Felix Trinidad fans.

Ok, Schulz wasn't a "never was", but the bottom line is that Schulz was never a very good fighter either. Losing close fights to a 45 year old Foremand and to an average heavyweight doesn't consitute as being one.

Mesi was Jirov's first fight at heavyweight and came in at 212; Vassiliy weighed in at 188 against Toney. He is a natural cruiserweight and was a much more effective fighter at that division. Still, Toney was able to close the show, unlike Mesi. Even at heavyweight, i'd take Toney anyday over Mesi.

Yes, i would take Byrd and Ruiz over any of Wlad's opponents prior to McCline. And why throw in a prime Mercer? The version Wlad beat was a shell of himself and was clearly past his best. Though Wlad completely dominated Mercer, Ray was still able to bust up his face. Had Wlad beaten a prime Mercer, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I wouldn't question him, but he didn't beat prime a Mercer.

Let me just say once again, i think Wlad is a fine fighter, with exceptional tools and physical attributes (though some flaws as well). I simply didn't think he earned the label as "unbeatable" or "the next great heavyweight champion". His record didn't deserves such lofty praise.

Huh, how was Moorer an average heavyweight? Is Holyfield also an average heavyweight? Toney closed the show? They were both won by UDs, neither of them closed the show.

And on another note its ok for Toney fans to rant and rave about how Toney was able to beat Holyfield after having lost the beginning rounds, but its not ok for Wlad fans to rant and rave about how Wlad completely dominated Mercer from start to finish.

I guess you're the exception, and not the rule. That makes you feel special, doesn't it?

Neuraxis

Toney lost two rounds. TOPS.

I guess you're the exception, and not the rule. That makes you feel special, doesn't it?

If you are talking to me, I always feel special. So no. :cool:

wlad was really good but wasted talent
i dunno what happened to him
and vitali is ok but there's somethin about them that turns me off
hardly got ne stamina

I know why people bash Vladimir and Vitaliy. I will tell you why.

I have noticed that the people who bash Vladimir and Vitali are either Roy Jones fans, Lennox Lewis fans, Mike Tyson fans, or James Toney fans. These are the only fans who bash Wladimir and Vitali. Look closely at those fans. What has happened to their fighters recently? Think very carefully what has happened to their fighters. Now you know the answer why they bash Wladimir and Vitali.



Nautilus, I couldn't help it. I had to post on your topic.


I agree with you, Winter. None of the arguments presented so far justify treating Wlad and Vitaly the way they are treated.

People said that Wlad has no heart because he never won a fight after getting KDed. In his last fight Wlad was KD then got up and fought back like a worrior. After that fight, I was expecting to hear people admit that Wlad has heart, at the least. What I heard instead was that Wlad has no chin.

Too much hate here. We can't stop it. Is it a good place to be at? :)

Bye, Winter.

wlad was really good but wasted talent
i dunno what happened to him
and vitali is ok but there's somethin about them that turns me off
hardly got ne stamina

maybe its cause hes white?

That has certainly crossed my mind, and some whites post negative comments about them for fear of being labeled as buying into the whole "white hope" thing, ridiculous.

maybe its cause hes white?
most likely. *******s don't like it when there not the center of attention! However, it's not their fault entirlely, 70% of them are bastards (No proper Father figure in the house) here in the US. So, you have a bunch of grown-up boys that don't know how to act mature among themselves let alone there supposed enemy (Whitey). So pitty them and laugh. Now there are also some white geeks on these boards whho love black men so much they think they are and hence act in the same immature childish manner and disrespect their own kind. Just laugh at them. The recognized HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP OF THE WORLD IS WHITE and the haters are just, well,... hating: PERIOD!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

most likely. *******s don't like it when there not the center of attention! However, it's not their fault entirlely, 70% of them are bastards (No proper Father figure in the house) here in the US. So, you have a bunch of grown-up boys that don't know how to act mature among themselves let alone there supposed enemy (Whitey). So pitty them and laugh. Now there are also some white geeks on these boards whho love black men so much they think they are and hence act in the same immature childish manner and disrespect their own kind. Just laugh at them. The recognized HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP OF THE WORLD IS WHITE and the haters are just, well,... hating: PERIOD!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

this is poetry. you're good!

speakin of *******s I gotta go meet my buddy Michael at The Loft for a burger and Beer! BBL

i guess people hate wlad because his job consists of beating up afro-americans. That's why he gets so much heat. :(

Neuraxis

Toney lost two rounds. TOPS.

I guess the judges as well as everyone else besides yourself who saw the fight are going to have to disagree.

at least tarver is not a bigot

look at his corner there... 3 white guys?

maybe if wlad was trained by buddy mcgirt and came in with a thug posse blaring rap then the haters would like him

I agree with you, Winter. None of the arguments presented so far justify treating Wlad and Vitaly the way they are treated.

People said that Wlad has no heart because he never won a fight after getting KDed. In his last fight Wlad was KD then got up and fought back like a worrior. After that fight, I was expecting to hear people admit that Wlad has heart, at the least. What I heard instead was that Wlad has no chin.

Too much hate here. We can't stop it. Is it a good place to be at? :)

Bye, Winter.

Nautilus, you write perfect words. I know Wladimir will be okay. I love him, and I wish for him to be champion. He will be champion. Nautilus, I will disappear with you.

Nautilus, you write perfect words. I know Wladimir will be okay. I love him, and I wish for him to be champion. He will be champion. Nautilus, I will disappear with you.

Ah! You're so darned cute.. Where'ya going?!

Huh, how was Moorer an average heavyweight? Is Holyfield also an average heavyweight? Toney closed the show? They were both won by UDs, neither of them closed the show.

In the grand scheme of things, Moorer is an average-good heavyweight. Nothing near great, which is what you claim Moorer to be. Randy Turpin beat Sugar Ray Robinson, i suppose Turpin is a great fighter in your eyes as well, based on your criteria of greatness.

As for Toney, he puncuated the the fight with a knockdown and started to really kick things up during the championship rounds. Yes, both were unanimous decision wins, but under two completely different circumstances and unfolded in two very distinct ways.

And if the Toney fans ranting and raving was intended for me, i'll say this: i don't like James Toney. In fact, i root against him in nearly every one of his fights. But i didn't bring him into this discussion.

Cheers.

In the grand scheme of things, Moorer is an average-good heavyweight. Nothing near great, which is what you claim Moorer to be. Randy Turpin beat Sugar Ray Robinson, i suppose Turpin is a great fighter in your eyes as well, based on your criteria of greatness.

As for Toney, he puncuated the the fight with a knockdown and started to really kick things up during the championship rounds. Yes, both were unanimous decision wins, but under two completely different circumstances and unfolded in two very distinct ways.

And if the Toney fans ranting and raving was intended for me, i'll say this: i don't like James Toney. In fact, i root against him in nearly every one of his fights. But i didn't bring him into this discussion.

Cheers.

Beating someone a year before he retires is now being compared to Moorer beating a prime Holyfield? You were the one who said that Mesi is overrated yet he was able to do what the James the second coming Toney was not able to do. So that must mean that Toney is more overrated than Mesi or that Mesi isn't overrated at all. You choose.

There white.

Beating someone a year before he retires is now being compared to Moorer beating a prime Holyfield? You were the one who said that Mesi is overrated yet he was able to do what the James the second coming Toney was not able to do. So that must mean that Toney is more overrated than Mesi or that Mesi isn't overrated at all. You choose.

Ray Robinson was beaten by Randy Turpin 14 years before he retired. And Moorer beat a prime Holyfield? Holyfield was coming off grueling matches with Riddick Bowe and was pretty much considered finished after Moorer barely beat him. Also, Holyfield claimed to have an injured shoulder. Not sure if that's legit since Holyfield has excuses for everything.

What was Mesi able to do that Toney didn't? Get knocked down 3 times against Jirov?

Also, i think we're kind of getting off topic. oh well.

Also, James Toney is overrated, but he'd still beat the hell out of Joe Mesi.

Pansyboy,

McCline was considered the "next big thing out there" by whom? he wasn't an HBO fighter. That's the sign of a fighter whose considered that. Wlad had the HBO contract before hhe lost to Sanders. McCline was considered a big guy with potential who was decent. He was NEVER considered a sure bet to be a champion in the future. Wlad was. Get your facts straight. You're clearly a) not American/dont live in the USA or b) you don't have HBO to actually see the telecasts.

McCline was a top 10 heavyweight. he wasn't top 5. Stop exaggerating

Ray Robinson was beaten by Randy Turpin 14 years before he retired. And Moorer beat a prime Holyfield? Holyfield was coming off grueling matches with Riddick Bowe and was pretty much considered finished after Moorer barely beat him. Also, Holyfield claimed to have an injured shoulder. Not sure if that's legit since Holyfield has excuses for everything.

What was Mesi able to do that Toney didn't? Get knocked down 3 times against Jirov?

Also, i think we're kind of getting off topic. oh well.

Actually he retired less than a year later after losing to Joey Maxim. He like meny others couldn't stay retired though and he came back to fight 3 years later. After he came back he went 43-16-4 if I counted correctly which would show why he went into retirement in the first place. He was shot, Holyfield wasn't. End of story. Mesi was able to outbox Jirov, Toney wasn't.

Intelligent post Russian Arm. Wlad beats up a lot of undersized, shot black fighters. But loses to the first live body he fights in Lame Lamon Brewster and gets KO'd. Gets knocked down and probably knocked out by yet another lame black heavyweight in DaVarryl Williamson. No body cares about Wlad or those bums. They're horrible fighters the whole lot of them.

Intelligent post Russian Arm. Wlad beats up a lot of undersized, shot black fighters. But loses to the first live body he fights in Lame Lamon Brewster and gets KO'd. Gets knocked down and probably knocked out by yet another lame black heavyweight in DaVarryl Williamson. No body cares about Wlad or those bums. They're horrible fighters the whole lot of them.

you know thats just like your opinion man...

the problem i have with them is they cant fight.

they got where they are for three reasons.

they are white, they are huge in size. and they can ko just about anyone they can land a right hand on.

but they can't box, period.

their promoters are known for cheating and thats how they've gotten
past byrd.

durius got past montell the sameway with help from their promoter and a crooked ref.

you know thats just like your opinion man...


you know he first got ko.ed by ross (the boss) purty.


i mean that sux.

ross didn't start boxing tell 30