View Full Version : prime Ali V prime Jones


drag0n_
10-09-2004, 09:05 AM
This fight would be great.

Who do you think had the faster hand speed? And of course who would win?

Sir_Jose
10-09-2004, 11:35 AM
This fight would be great.

Who do you think had the faster hand speed? And of course who would win?


Um...Jones as in Roy Jones?

*Slap*

drag0n_
10-09-2004, 01:52 PM
of course.

HomicideHank
10-09-2004, 03:50 PM
Um...Jones as in Roy Jones?

*Slap*

Here, let me help you jose.

*slap* *slap* *slap*

Great fight my ass, it would be a massacre.

oldgringo
10-09-2004, 05:30 PM
Yeah is this serious?

Foreman
10-09-2004, 06:44 PM
What a joke. Not even close to being a fantasy fight. Ali fought a few bums, but this is ridiculous.

Ivansmamma
10-09-2004, 08:30 PM
Roy Jones was a great fighter but he wouldn't staand a chance vs. Ali.

Neuraxis
10-09-2004, 09:38 PM
Ali KO's Jones within in first minute of the fight.

The Fix
10-09-2004, 11:56 PM
both were in thier prme at different weights. jones at his prime was 168. ali fought at 210-220. so yeah the fight wouldnt be close .

Palma
10-10-2004, 08:47 AM
If these men were to have met in their prime!

At what weight??

Would you all agree that RJJ was at his best when he moved up to face Ruiz?

I think Jones would have given "Cassius Clay" a run for his money, but I think RJJ would have lost to Muhammad Ali.

Neuraxis
10-10-2004, 12:56 PM
If these men were to have met in their prime!

At what weight??

Would you all agree that RJJ was at his best when he moved up to face Ruiz?

I think Jones would have given "Cassius Clay" a run for his money, but I think RJJ would have lost to Muhammad Ali.

No way, Jones was clearly at his best in the 160-168 range.

rsl
10-10-2004, 01:00 PM
If these men were to have met in their prime!

At what weight??

Would you all agree that RJJ was at his best when he moved up to face Ruiz?

I think Jones would have given "Cassius Clay" a run for his money, but I think RJJ would have lost to Muhammad Ali.Let's just exclude the weight disparity for a second here and just compare atheletic ability and boxing skills. Roy Jones Jr. is basically the smaller much quicker version of Ali, they're almost mirror images of each other in terms of style, however Roy doesn't have a chin and doesn't have any balls to trade, and the biggest advantage Ali has is of course his CHAMPION HEART and ring smarts. Ali wins this by K.O. or a lopsided UD. I don't think Jones Jr.'s speed is gonna be much of a factor in this matchup.

Lexi
10-12-2004, 03:57 AM
What if they were the same weight? who's faster? who's got the bigger punch?
I think it would be interesting

Syd Barrett
10-12-2004, 08:01 PM
both were in thier prme at different weights. jones at his prime was 168. ali fought at 210-220. so yeah the fight wouldnt be close .


Exactly. Silly question.

Yarmez
10-12-2004, 08:13 PM
Ali or Clay, would whoop rjj, i'm not of fan of roy, so me saying this comes easy, he would get destroyed, because here is a guy who has a better chin, is bigger, smarter, and has equal speed, if it went more than 30 seconds i'd be surprised.

ALI KO round 1

filth
10-12-2004, 10:26 PM
Ali always had trouble when he fought the smaller, quicker, men. He was almost knocked out by Henry Cooper, a light heavy weight club fighter, however, in this match there's little question that while the level of talent and handspeed would probably be close, with a slight edge to Jones, Ali has unquestionably more heart than Jones...therefore Ali wins

The Fix
10-13-2004, 12:13 AM
after watching tapes of both, jones has a advantage in speed.still though due to size difference the fight is still lopsided

cple
10-13-2004, 12:25 AM
P4P, Jones probably has the slightest of edge in speed, but a clear edge in power. However, it's the other intangibles that win this fight.

Neuraxis
10-13-2004, 12:50 AM
P4P, Jones probably has the slightest of edge in speed, but a clear edge in power. However, it's the other intangibles that win this fight.

Like chin and heart.

jabsRstiff
10-13-2004, 07:26 AM
Muhammad Ali would not quickly dispose of Roy Jones.
Ali quickly disposed of very few opponents throughout his career.

Ali was never the kind of heavyweight who would impose his size & strength on a foe.

What would trouble Roy...would be Ali's height, reach, & range.
Ali was not faster than Jones....but he'd use his range to keep Roy from reaching him.
Eventually, if Roy wanted to win, he'd have to resort to lunging in at Ali. This is where Ali would score, & as the rounds mounted, Roy would wear down.

It would be a boring fight. Ali by decision or very late (14th rd.) stoppage.

Palma
10-13-2004, 10:08 AM
No way, Jones was clearly at his best in the 160-168 range.

I totally agree with you for once. :o

My question was if people considered RJJ at his best when he fought Ruiz at HW? My opinion was that he wasn't. So if he were to have faced ALI at that heavweight then he would have lost, but if RJJ was to face Ali at 168 then he would win.

Mr. Untouchable
10-13-2004, 10:22 AM
Roy Jones is good fighter, but Ali was a great fighter. Ali would beat the sh*t out of roy jones and any other fighters out there today!!!!!!!!!
I really think it would be a boring fight because both fighters, fight backing up

gogan
10-13-2004, 08:57 PM
I totaly agree with babylon_killah in saying that there were many good fighters, however ali was the greatest, he used a cool head and a fast pace to beat lots of his fighters. Anyone who thinks jones would win should be laughed at, you have to compare the fighters than jones is fighting to the fighters that ali faught, prime fraizer, prime foreman, let me see jones even stand 4 rounds with these monsters,then youd be crying. Fast or not you have to have the heart to live it up, which Ali had, not to mention his amazing chin which he demonstrated with rumble in the jungle. there may be better records for fighters or better P4P fighters but no one will compare to Ali, the idea is NOT to get hit, and that is excatly what he did ( most of the time ).

chito
10-14-2004, 10:36 PM
Muhammad Ali would not quickly dispose of Roy Jones.
Ali quickly disposed of very few opponents throughout his career.

Ali was never the kind of heavyweight who would impose his size & strength on a foe.

What would trouble Roy...would be Ali's height, reach, & range.
Ali was not faster than Jones....but he'd use his range to keep Roy from reaching him.
Eventually, if Roy wanted to win, he'd have to resort to lunging in at Ali. This is where Ali would score, & as the rounds mounted, Roy would wear down.

It would be a boring fight. Ali by decision or very late (14th rd.) stoppage.

I can't agree with you more! Ali would slice jones into pieces! The only thing that bothers ali is when a fighter presses and thus putting a lot of pressure on him like frazier usually does! Jones will have his moments as ali usually has the tendency to test his opponent's power but after that, what? Ali has fought the strongest and the hardest puncher during his era, what more jones could offer that ali's opponents in the past had not? There's no way jones could win here!

Palma
10-15-2004, 10:43 AM
How about a prime Ali vs. a prime Lewis or a Vitali??

filth
10-15-2004, 11:17 PM
A prime Lewis might be able to give Ali a little trouble because they're both outside fighters, but Lennox's reach is longer. Ali's huge heart and hard ass chin could overcome anything Lennox or Vitali could throw at him.

Dynamite76
10-21-2004, 11:03 PM
This is not really even a fight.Ali would whip Roy Jones by a convincing knockout.

duxstar
10-26-2004, 02:11 AM
Isnt there a video out there of like a computer fight between rocky marciano, and ali, or some 2 boxers like that. I wonder if they can use these computers to do even more fights ????? It would be crazy to see something like that (pitting 2 peoples styles together, taking like 200 peoples opinion on certain area's of boxing, like heart, chin, on a 1 - 10 scale). Anyways Im kinda Lewis Fanboy, and havent seen MUCH of ali, so I cant comment on them 2, but a good ali destroys RJJ. He'd get knocked down once, and stay down, where as if jones could even get ali to the canvas, it would have to be 3, 4, even 5 times.

kevvy1979
10-31-2004, 05:33 PM
Speed kills,and Jones would have killed Ali like that.To fast and got out quicker.Jones by SD.

realtim
11-04-2004, 08:30 AM
Is this a thread for laughs because i was in class when i just started laughing hysterically. Ali didnt have one punch ko power but he wouldve decapatated jones or seriously embarass him by carrying him for a couple of rounds. That was a fun thread. Is that guy like 10 years old.

BostonGuy
11-04-2004, 10:50 AM
Ali in his prime could've beaten anyone including Jones. Roy

Jones great boxing skills would enable him to go the distance

with Ali like George Chuvolo did.

Swifty
11-06-2004, 10:51 PM
Ali by TKO or Ko in around 5 or 6 rounds, while leading heavily on all score cards

Dude
11-07-2004, 12:15 AM
Ali in his prime could've beaten anyone including Jones. Roy

Jones great boxing skills would enable him to go the distance

with Ali like George Chuvolo did.

Wait, one moment, you are not comparing Roy Jones Junior to George Chuvalo? These are two completly different boxers.

Jones boxing skills based on his speed. He has no defense whatsoever without his lightening fast reflexes.

If they boxed at light heavy Ali would win via KO in the mid rounds. Jones has never faced a fighter of Alis skills and heart. He has never been exposed by a fighter as fast as him. Ali would have a length, height, stamina, power and experience advantage. Nuff said?

ComeHonorChest
11-07-2004, 12:18 AM
P4P i would have to go with Roy Jones jr. but Ali did know how to do the rop-a-dope trick, Roy tried and well we saw what happpened to him

Dude
11-07-2004, 12:20 AM
P4P i would have to go with Roy Jones jr. but Ali did know how to do the rop-a-dope trick, Roy tried and well we saw what happpened to him
If you go P4P, try it the other way round and imagine how fast ALi would've been if he was RJJs size...

Prorock
11-10-2004, 01:33 AM
Roy is Great man. He is my favorite fighter but... Ali the Greatest so i think that he win by points...

Maybe not... who know...

Swifty
11-10-2004, 01:41 AM
The thing about Jones is when he fites a heavily over-matched or crappy figher, he makes himself look so good, that we all over-rate him. I'm not saying he can't fight quality fighters (he can, and we all saw what he did to B-hop)but he cant fight a fighter who mathces him in the speed/reflexes department. Because alot of the things roy does, would only work for a faster fighter against a slower fighter. Ali is no slower fighter. And so it then comes down to Heart/Chin/Boxing skills. And if you break the fight down like that, Ali is WAY infront in all of these departments. And so he gets a KO in the 5th or 6th round. I wouldn't be surprised if RJJ gets impatient and starts leaping in with Left hooks, and Ali catches him on the way and lays him out.

loangunZ
11-10-2004, 01:54 AM
Ali hands down, too fast and too much boxing skills

Great
11-10-2004, 07:50 AM
Ali by KO in 8-12.

Ivansmamma
11-11-2004, 05:00 AM
There is no way roy jones would win this fight.

plexmc
11-15-2004, 12:46 PM
Roy had the quicker hands but ali had the chin.........I LOVE them both
DRAW

gogan
11-15-2004, 02:06 PM
jones had quicker hand speed, but thats about the only advantage. jones wouldnt see round 12, hed end up seeing the ceiling of the hospital when he wakes up after ali fucks him up in a later round. come one, lets get serious, jones is the man of his time but not great enough to compare to ali, thats just a joke.

Keleneki
11-16-2004, 05:51 AM
Ali would win this matchup.

gogan
11-16-2004, 03:44 PM
your right, ali would win

gogan
12-14-2004, 10:18 PM
he would kick ass

gogan
12-14-2004, 10:18 PM
and make jones look like an amateur

gogan
12-14-2004, 10:20 PM
RJJ is too slow, to stupid, not powerfull enough, next to Ali hes a nobody

TheGreat1
12-14-2004, 10:38 PM
RJJ is too slow, to stupid, not powerfull enough, next to Ali hes a nobody

r u serious?
Ali was a very fast HWbyt his speed coundn't match roy. but it would still be good enough to win. because Ali had a great chin, and smart in the ring. It wouldn't be an easy fight for either. IN his prime RJJ was great and fought good fighters. Look at what he did to B-Hop and Toney. I only go with Ali because of his reach and chin.

IRONTIGER
07-08-2005, 03:49 PM
Muhammad Ali 1960 - 1981 56-5-0 - Roy Jones Jr 1989 - 2004 49-3-0

Cassius Clay :boxing: KO Jones