View Full Version : The future looks bad


teakay
09-20-2004, 06:03 AM
Here is what I see for the future of boxing. I see Oscar's retireing within 2 years. Tyson, Sugar Shane, Barrera, Roy Jones, Hopkins, and probably Tinidad may be gone around that time too.

With all the big names I see leaving, I don't see enough up and coming talent to pick up the slack. We will still have Mayweather, Morales, PacMan, Corrales, Spinks, and Cotto. But there is nobody I feel will have the drawing power anywhere near the level of DLH or Tyson or even Roy Jones. Without them, the state of boxing is going to go downhill.

Am I right or is it too soon to tell?

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
09-20-2004, 06:34 AM
Here is what I see for the future of boxing. I see Oscar's retireing within 2 years. Tyson, Sugar Shane, Barrera, Roy Jones, Hopkins, and probably Tinidad may be gone around that time too.

With all the big names I see leaving, I don't see enough up and coming talent to pick up the slack. We will still have Mayweather, Morales, PacMan, Corrales, Spinks, and Cotto. But there is nobody I feel will have the drawing power anywhere near the level of DLH or Tyson or even Roy Jones. Without them, the state of boxing is going to go downhill.

Am I right or is it too soon to tell?

Morales has great drawing power now nearly all his cards are PPV. Anyway soon he will be gone too. New people will emerge. Chavez Jr. looks like the real deal. He just turned 18 and he is in such great shape and conditioning he would make many champs blush of embarrasement.

I dont think we will really feel a dark age of boxing like some do at the heavyweight division.

spinksjinx
09-20-2004, 07:13 AM
Agree with the heavyweights, it is a glum day their...


Anything above 160 is a snooze fest anymore...

But their is tarver,brathwaite. Uhh ok scratch that not many lol.....

For the next 2-3 years we have some great fights lined up and to be made, by then cotto will be an established star and we will have some new fighters brought in. Hopefully Jermain Taylor will be established as well....New champions/fighters will be in the picture by 2005, I wouldnt worry about it to much......Now in the heavyweight division, I wont touch that one.

NichtGeflechten
09-20-2004, 07:30 AM
Eastern Europe will start to expand it's market share of boxing & I can't wait. Too many boxers today are shallow spoiled vociferous brats....I like my action in the ring NOT in a rap video or an NBA advertisement or an episode of MTV Cribs or whatever the **** weakly qualifies as "entertainment" today.

Winter
09-20-2004, 07:30 AM
Future looks fine to me. Heavyweights look fine to me too. I think fans sometimes have image of boxer in their mind, somehow they get this image in their mind, and if other boxers they see do not exactly fit this image, they assume it is bad boxing. The image everyone has for great heavyweights now unfortunately is Tyson. So, unfortunately many fans today if they see heavyweights that do not look like Tyson, they think it is not great boxing. Sadly, they are mistakened.

Dark Destroyer
09-20-2004, 07:40 AM
New champions are in the making as we speak, talent always presents itself. We may not have another Roy Jones or Bernard Hopkins or Oscar De La Hoya but i don't doubt that we will have great fighters. It's just always sad to see the end of an era of a fighter you enjoy watching fight and respect. I was sad when Lennox retired, that devastated the heavyweight division in my opinion.

J !
09-20-2004, 07:44 AM
yeah I mean boxing didnt die when Leonard, hagler, hearns and duran(latter two efectively even tho they boxed on as shadows of their former selves)) all went within a few years of one another. look at the light welter division or the feathers, its packed to the rafters with great match ups, with more talent coming through by the year.

May well just be the shift in the decent match ups is at the lower weights rather than super middle and above.

i can handle that.

NichtGeflechten
09-20-2004, 07:47 AM
It devastated the heavyweight division because he held out like a queen fairy and held up the line of succession. He went out like a *****. He'll be forgotten by the casual boxing fan in 2-3 years.

Dark Destroyer
09-20-2004, 07:48 AM
yeah I mean boxing didnt die when Leonard, hagler, hearns and duran(latter two efectively even tho they boxed on as shadows of their former selves)) all went within a few years of one another. look at the light welter division or the feathers, its packed to the rafters with great match ups, with more talent coming through by the year.

May well just be the shift in the decent match ups is at the lower weights rather than super middle and above.

i can handle that.

The Leonard, Hagler, Duran and Hearns era was amazing, boxing survived their departure so i am confident that boxing would survive any of todays champions departues too.

Dark Destroyer
09-20-2004, 07:51 AM
It devastated the heavyweight division because he held out like a queen fairy and held up the line of succession. He went out like a *****. He'll be forgotten by the casual boxing fan in 2-3 years.

You really think so? I doubt that very much to be perfectly honest. Lennox was the great heavyweight of the 90's, he won't be forgotten. I admit perhaps he should have given Vitali a remtach but he didn't. Even Vitali admitted that he fought an out of shape Lennox, if Lennox beat Vitali not in shape then what would have happened if he would have been in shape?

J !
09-20-2004, 07:57 AM
haha sorry that comment is laughable lennox will be forgotten in 2 years.
Im not either gonna bother posting a formulated reply to it.

laughable.

NichtGeflechten
09-20-2004, 09:04 AM
Im not either gonna bother posting a formulated reply to it.


.......this speaks volumes about your thought process.

J !
09-20-2004, 09:08 AM
and your previous post about lennox speaks volumes about your boxing knowledge. I dont react to baiting mate, im here to discuss boxing.

NichtGeflechten
09-20-2004, 09:09 AM
You need EPL classes BADLY!

J !
09-20-2004, 09:12 AM
hah whatever dude. if I knew what an EPL class was, , have a good day huh if I were you I would give some research into boxing a go rather than sitting on here all day trying to wind people up, cos it dont work with me !!! Got your number!

enjoy :D ;)

NichtGeflechten
09-20-2004, 09:25 AM
You certainly told me in whatever gibberish dialect of English that is...... :eek:

Winter
09-20-2004, 09:30 AM
There is a chance casual fans will forget Lennox Lewis. Remember, he said casual fans, not fanatic fans.

J !
09-20-2004, 09:30 AM
haha fair point I meant spend some time researching boxing rather than deliberatley trying to piss people off 'cos they dont agree with you.

rather ironic I cover boxing in journalistic capacity and you are picking my english to pieces. :eek:

really you should tho. I remember you from being on here before. seems you are quite well liked.
:D :D :D

as for the lennox issue I totally disagree, he ruled the roost , people dont forget heavies that quickly, he is as likely to be forgotten as holmes.

DR. FREECLOUD
09-20-2004, 10:50 AM
i think that there will always be excitement in boxing. i have to agree with winter that alot of people have images of certain fighters and all the others have to live up to someone elses image. i think pac-man will be here for a while and that gives us plenty of time for others to come up. i just hope we get to see him fight more. the heavies have been in a slump for a while now though. however, i think that will change. remember, this is not wwe, this is boxing. we can't just create an exciting boxer. they are truely athletes that have to shed blood sweat and tears to become champ. we just need to see more activity in the heavies so we can really see what these guys are all about. trinidads return will give us some more to talk about as well. vargas is talking about coming back. even the prince has rumors circulating. even bojado with the loss against jesse james is still imo one to watch for the several years to come. kermit is still young as well. too many to mention here guys. the future still looks good to me

tracylee
09-20-2004, 10:57 AM
haha fair point I meant spend some time researching boxing rather than deliberatley trying to piss people off 'cos they dont agree with you.

rather ironic I cover boxing in journalistic capacity and you are picking my english to pieces. :eek:

really you should tho. I remember you from being on here before. seems you are quite well liked.
:D :D :D

as for the lennox issue I totally disagree, he ruled the roost , people dont forget heavies that quickly, he is as likely to be forgotten as holmes.

I agree completely. Lennox was a great champion, and will not be forgotten any time soon.
There is still plenty of young, unproven talent out there. Cotto, Taylor, Cintron, J. Diaz, Bojado, Juarez, and many, many more. It's not over for the sport; not by a long shot!

neils7147933
09-20-2004, 10:58 AM
In a handful of years:

Jermaine Taylor will be the next Roy Jones in terms of how decisively he beats opponents.

Jermaine Taylor-Jeff Lacy will be a huge fight.

We will argue over whether Paulie Malignaggi will lose the next fight because he doesn't have KO power - and he'll win an easy decision to defend his belt.

Robert Guerrero will rule the featherweights or lightweights.

We will laugh when we look back at heavyweight champion Dominick Guinn and say, "Remember when this guy lost to Monte Barrett?"

J !
09-20-2004, 11:00 AM
here here people viva la boxing ;)

NichtGeflechten
09-20-2004, 11:24 AM
We will laugh when we look back at heavyweight champion Dominick Guinn and say, "Remember when this guy lost to Monte Barrett?"

.......whippets and posting don't mix well.

teakay
09-20-2004, 04:19 PM
In a handful of years:

Jermaine Taylor will be the next Roy Jones in terms of how decisively he beats opponents.

Jermaine Taylor-Jeff Lacy will be a huge fight.

We will argue over whether Paulie Malignaggi will lose the next fight because he doesn't have KO power - and he'll win an easy decision to defend his belt.

Robert Guerrero will rule the featherweights or lightweights.

We will laugh when we look back at heavyweight champion Dominick Guinn and say, "Remember when this guy lost to Monte Barrett?"

I don't think Jermaine Taylor can be the next Roy Jones because he doesn't dominate the same way Roy can.

But, who do you think is going to be the next Golden Boy?

I think they tried with Bojado, but he was a bust. How about Ponce de Leon?

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
09-20-2004, 04:31 PM
I don't think Jermaine Taylor can be the next Roy Jones because he doesn't dominate the same way Roy can.

But, who do you think is going to be the next Golden Boy?

I think they tried with Bojado, but he was a bust. How about Ponce de Leon?

If Chavez Jr. Keeps improving and looking like a bigger version of his father he will be the next golden boy.

Dr Cynical
09-20-2004, 04:32 PM
If Chavez Jr. Keeps improving and looking like a bigger version of his father he will be the next golden boy.
Isn't Chavez Sr. still boxing?

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
09-20-2004, 04:34 PM
Isn't Chavez Sr. still boxing?

Nope his last fight was against Frankie Randall.

Dr Cynical
09-20-2004, 04:35 PM
Nope his last fight was against Frankie Randall.
Ah ok.
If he was still boxing I was going to ask if you think he'd ever fight his son. :p

Anyone think that the Heavyweight Division will soon cease to be?
Doesn't seem like there's much excitement there and only a few good boxers.

It seems that all the big money fights are in the lower divisions.

THE REAL NINJA
12-31-2005, 04:27 PM
Here is what I see for the future of boxing. I see Oscar's retireing within 2 years. Tyson, Sugar Shane, Barrera, Roy Jones, Hopkins, and probably Tinidad may be gone around that time too.

With all the big names I see leaving, I don't see enough up and coming talent to pick up the slack. We will still have Mayweather, Morales, PacMan, Corrales, Spinks, and Cotto. But there is nobody I feel will have the drawing power anywhere near the level of DLH or Tyson or even Roy Jones. Without them, the state of boxing is going to go downhill.

Am I right or is it too soon to tell?
damn close nostradamus

supaduck
12-31-2005, 04:43 PM
Jeff Lacy looks like a good upcoming fighter...

TheEvilSaint
12-31-2005, 04:46 PM
why cant you let this thread die in peace?

THE REAL NINJA
12-31-2005, 04:47 PM
why cant you let this thread die in peace?
why should i :p

flipside
12-31-2005, 04:48 PM
Morales has great drawing power now nearly all his cards are PPV. Anyway soon he will be gone too. New people will emerge. Chavez Jr. looks like the real deal. He just turned 18 and he is in such great shape and conditioning he would make many champs blush of embarrasement.

I dont think we will really feel a dark age of boxing like some do at the heavyweight division.

morales has that draw because of pac man, look at jmm, he turned down pac man rematch and look what happened to him? when was the last time he was in a ppv? morales will have nothing without the pub that his fight with pac man creates, u cant argue the fact that he has way more peeps watching his fights because of manny

supaduck
12-31-2005, 04:49 PM
If you were talking to me, I'm just stating my opinion. If you were talking to Darrenshyrockford, then I was still stating my opinion

THE REAL NINJA
12-31-2005, 04:54 PM
nothing wrong with bumping old threads ,,,it's better then making a new one with the same topic ...so nah nah nah :p

Tha Greatest
12-31-2005, 04:55 PM
Hold up, hold up....

Chavez Jr. is a bust..

Jones, Tyson, Hopkins are all done.

Morales, Barrera, and Pac are still fighting each other etc.

J. Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Campbell, etc.

Cotto, Hatton, Mayweather, etc.

We got amazing up and coming prospects like Escobedo, Khan, Mares, etc.

The lower weights are perfect right now..

For boxing to be popular, it's ALL ABOUT THE HEAVYWEIGHTS and good middleweights don't hurt which we have..

160-175....Taylor, Lacy, Tarver, Abraham, Pavlik, Wright, Sturm, etc.

Heavyweigths are a joke, but I ain't going to lose hope, this ain't the first time this has happened to boxing...it has been worse..

Ruiz, Valuev, Rahman, Golota, Byrd = should die!

In other words, no matter how perfect the little guys are, it's the big guys that control the majority..

How many casual boxing fans have actually heard of Arce, Viloria, R. Marquez?

Slim to none...

Eihter way...

LACY WILL SAVE BOXING!

and hopefully GBP save it too..

supaduck
12-31-2005, 04:57 PM
They shouldn't die, but they should retire. They aren't bad, but it's almost like... Move over now, I wanna see the next bunch. They aren't exciting or anything.

flipside
12-31-2005, 04:58 PM
Hold up, hold up....

Chavez Jr. is a bust..

Jones, Tyson, Hopkins are all done.

Morales, Barrera, and Pac are still fighting each other etc.

J. Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Campbell, etc.

Cotto, Hatton, Mayweather, etc.

We got amazing up and coming prospects like Escobedo, Khan, Mares, etc.

The lower weights are perfect right now..

For boxing to be popular, it's ALL ABOUT THE HEAVYWEIGHTS and good middleweights don't hurt which we have..

160-175....Taylor, Lacy, Tarver, Abraham, Pavlik, Wright, Sturm, etc.

Heavyweigths are a joke, but I ain't going to lose hope, this ain't the first time this has happened to boxing...it has been worse..

Ruiz, Valuev, Rahman, Golota, Byrd = should die!

i completely agree with you man, it will prolly feel like it sucks because the new fighters are considered as not so popular because of the fighter who are retiring but once they retire people will step up definitely!

supaduck
12-31-2005, 05:01 PM
Yeah. Nobody in my school knows who Jeff Lacy is.

Tha Greatest
12-31-2005, 05:04 PM
According to Scap..


Golden Boy Promotions is trying to get a contract signed for boxing on network television, Scap is a smart guy, so I will be rooting for them, too..

I actually believe that is the problem with boxing, HBO, SHOWTIME, PPV, etc. !

How many people actually have HBO and SHO?
How many people pay $50 for a fight?

GO GOLDEN BOY PROMOTIONS!

supaduck
12-31-2005, 05:17 PM
Also, im sure the future of heavyweights looked bad when Ali left, before Tyson came along, followed by Holyfield and Lewis. Whose to say another guy like Tyson won't come along and dominate the division and capture the excitement of the general public.

Tha Greatest
12-31-2005, 05:19 PM
Also, im sure the future of heavyweights looked bad when Ali left, before Tyson came along, followed by Holyfield and Lewis. Whose to say another guy like Tyson won't come along and dominate the division and capture the excitement of the general public.

Nobody said it:D:D

We got some good fighters right now though that are doing good..

Toney, Brewster, Brock, Ibragimov, etc.

TheEvilSaint
12-31-2005, 05:21 PM
the future doesnt look so bad now that JUYJUY is gone!