Bidding war for Pacquiao looms
By Joaquin Henson
The Philippine Star 10/09/2004

With the contracts of his management and promotional teams expiring in a few months, consensus world featherweight boxing champion Manny Pacquiao is in an enviable position. He’s a prize catch and bidders are expected to make astronomical offers to sign the 25-year-old General Santos City southpaw.

In fact, Pacquiao’s registered manager Marty Elorde disclosed the other day that even Oscar de la Hoya of Golden Boy Promotions has expressed interest in representing Pacquiao in the US. Pacquiao victim Marco Antonio Barrera is a Golden Boy fighter.

It was actually Pacquiao’s trainer Freddie Roach who told Elorde about de la Hoya’s interest in a long distance telephone conversation.

"Disappointed si Freddie kay Murad (Muhammad)," said Elorde, referring to Pacquiao’s US-based promoter. "It’s nothing racial. Sabi ni Freddie, he can’t understand why one of the world’s most exciting fighters can’t get a big fight. He blames Murad for what’s happening to Manny. Disgusted si Manny kay Murad kasi si Murad lang ang nakakaalam kung magkano talagang kinikita ni Manny sa mga laban niya sa US."

Pacquiao has reportedly decided not to renew the promotional contract of Muhammad, whose contract is supposed to expire on Feb. 2005.

A calculating businessman, Pacquiao is not rushing a decision on whom to align with. No doubt, he’ll carefully evaluate what’s on the table.

Elorde beat everyone to the draw and was the first to call in his bid for a renewal. Elorde has offered a P5 Million signing bonus and an increase in Pacquiao’s monthly allowance from P10,000 to P20,000. Elorde’s contract finishes on Feb. 5 next year. Business manager Rod Nazario’s contract also expires that day.

There is some confusion as to when New Jersey promoter Murad Muhammad’s contract closes out, Elorde said it ends when his and Nazario’s contracts lapse. But Nazario’s associate Ramon (Moy) Lainez was sure Muhammad’s contract will expire at the end of this year.

Regardless of when Muhammad’s contract will end, Elorde and Lainez agreed it is terminable immediately because of failure to deliver on a six-fight, $2.5 million commitment for two years.

Lainez said he wouldn’t be surprised if Don King, Bob Arum and Lou DiBella try to outbid each other for Pacquiao’s US promotional rights.

Elorde said he spoke to Pacquiao, now vacationing in General Santos City with wife Jinkee and their two sons, the other day about his offer.

"Wala pang decision si Manny, pagiisipan daw niya," said Elorde. "No commitments so far. I’m sure he’s waiting for other offers. Okay lang. That’s good for Manny. He deserves the highest bid kasi he worked hard to get to where he is now."

Elorde said the Japanese partners who put up the money for Pacquiao’s contract five years ago will no longer be involved in bidding for a renewal. "We’re an all-Filipino group now," continued Elorde. "And we’re prepared to make a better offer if necessary."

Elorde took exception to charges that he receives a 30% share in Pacquiao’s purses without doing anything.

"May usapan kami ni Mang Rod na I will be consulted in negotiating for Manny’s fights but I’m never consulted," said Elorde. "Tuwing may laban si Manny sa US, sagot ko ang aking plane ticket. Sa laban, nakaupo ako sa bleachers at sila sa ringside. Parang ayaw nila akong kasama."

Elorde confided he’s not too optimistic of a renewal and put his chances at 60%. But he said he hopes Pacquiao won’t break away because they’ve been lucky together.

"This is between Manny and me, nobody else," he said. "At this stage of Manny’s career, he should be fighting often and earning lots of money. I don’t know what the problem is. Is it Murad or HBO? Manny’s a hot ticket right now but why can’t Murad find an opponent? Frustrated na si Manny. Mahirap mag-training na walang kalaban. Sinasayang ni Murad ang career ni Manny."

Elorde confirmed that Pacquiao is set to sever ties with Muhammad once and for all.

Regarding Pacquiao’s next fight, Elorde said he’s in the dark."Alam ko, they’re planning a rematch against (Juan Manuel) Marquez in the second week of February — parang pinagkataon nila kasi expired na ang contract ko by that time," said Elorde

Pacquiao, meanwhile, is set to fight Gairy St. Claire of Australia in Global City on Dec. 4 as tune-up for his date with Marquez.

This was taken from, http://www.philstar.com/philstar/News200410091601.htm I take no credit in article or anything, just spreading this. :D

That would be the smart move to sign with Golden Boy

ya plus oscar dont know how to take care of his fighters either
he doesnt mind letting them have fights they want
he sees it as letting them do what they want
unlike most promoters who get fights in their best interest

I think Manny should stay for a while without a promoter.
Just to see how it works out.

Also, and I know this will probably get some bad replies but..
Does anyone else think that the language which Manny and the people around him speak looks like gibberish?

I think Manny should stay for a while without a promoter.
Just to see how it works out.

Also, and I know this will probably get some bad replies but..
Does anyone else think that the language which Manny and the people around him speak looks like gibberish? You mean SOUND like gibberish, me personally I think any language that isn't my primary language sounds gibberish.

You mean SOUND like gibberish, me personally I think any language that isn't my primary language sounds gibberish.
I'm quite sure it sounds like gibberish.
But when they type it, it really looks like gibberish.

I think Manny should stay for a while without a promoter.
Just to see how it works out.

Also, and I know this will probably get some bad replies but..
Does anyone else think that the language which Manny and the people around him speak looks like gibberish?


why stay without a promoter he needs to fight and he needs to FAST!

Manny doesn't have the kind of pull in boxing to go without a promoter

Of course it's gonna sound gibberish when you don't know the language. But compare to other Asian language (or alphabet), there's no comparison. Tagalog is really similar to Spanish (some words are even the same).

Anyway, as for Pacquiao's position, let's just hope he doesn't fall into Arum's politics.

It would be bad for pac to stay without a promoter. Promoters would not give him the fights he wants in an effort to force him to sign with them.

That avatar is one inch a way from pr0n..

I can;t ****ing look away. It gets you in a trance.

LoL, thats a dumb comment. Of course any language will sound like gibberish to anyone else if they don't know WTF they are talking about. If you were talking near Manny, he'd prolly whisper to someone saying, damn this kid sounds like an idiot(thinking you are speaking gibberish also). And yes it sounds very much like spanish. Like the word champion, they practically say it exactly the same in spanish as in tagalog. One of MANY>

LoL, thats a dumb comment. Of course any language will sound like gibberish to anyone else if they don't know WTF they are talking about. If you were talking near Manny, he'd prolly whisper to someone saying, damn this kid sounds like an idiot(thinking you are speaking gibberish also). And yes it sounds very much like spanish. Like the word champion, they practically say it exactly the same in spanish as in tagalog. One of MANY>
That's the thing, I never typed "sounds", I typed "looks".
When I read italian, spanish, french and so on it doesn't look strange or like gibberish.
But "tagalog" or whatever the hell they were speaking that was written down, looks like gibberish.

why stay without a promoter he needs to fight and he needs to FAST!
Because a promoter will probably **** him over again.
Can't he get a fight on his own?
Is it really that hard to promote your own fights?

(I'm really asking so yes, I'd like an answer.)

Because a promoter will probably **** him over again.
Can't he get a fight on his own?
Is it really that hard to promote your own fights?

(I'm really asking so yes, I'd like an answer.)

If you were a big promoter, you got all the big fights in your pocket, and you see a fighter that can make u a lot of money but he is a free agent wouldnt you find any means necessary to sign him including any unethical ones like not giving him the big fights regardless of how deserving he might be.

why stay without a promoter he needs to fight and he needs to FAST!


get my avtar out of there

come on be original

Manny doesn't have the kind of pull in boxing to go without a promoter

It's not only the PULL, nobody can get a big fight inside U.S. if you are not locally based. Outside U.S. no problem.

I don't think Manny joining GBP is a good idea . . . DLH is a Mexcican do you honestly believe that DLH will be too happy for Manny to destroy his paisano's careers? :cool:

I don't think Manny joining GBP is a good idea . . . DLH is a Mexcican do you honestly believe that DLH will be too happy for Manny to destroy his paisano's careers? :cool:

well he sure know how to pick opponents. Got screwed by pitting Pac gainst his champ lol

I don't think Manny joining GBP is a good idea . . . DLH is a Mexcican do you honestly believe that DLH will be too happy for Manny to destroy his paisano's careers? :cool:
I think it would be a good idea.
Didn't someone say that DLH lets his fighters go against the fighters they want to?

I don't think it would be a good idea because every fighter that joins GBP seems to lose their next fight. Consider the following:


- MAB lost (big time) to Pac in his first GBP fight
- Juan Carlos Rubio gets KOd in his first fight under GBP
- Juan Valenzuela sustains an injury before being able to fight for the first time under GBP
- Fernando Montiel lost his first fight (against Mark Johnson by MD) in his first fight under GBP
- Javier Jauregui loses his second fight under GBP to Julio Diaz by MD.

I'm sure there are more, and Baya can back me up on these. Seems to me that GBP is cursed. I hate to see fighters sign there and then get hexed.

I don't think it would be a good idea because every fighter that joins GBP seems to lose their next fight. Consider the following:


- MAB lost (big time) to Pac in his first GBP fight
- Juan Carlos Rubio gets KOd in his first fight under GBP
- Juan Valenzuela sustains an injury before being able to fight for the first time under GBP
- Fernando Montiel lost his first fight (against Mark Johnson by MD) in his first fight under GBP
- Javier Jauregui loses his second fight under GBP to Julio Diaz by MD.

I'm sure there are more, and Baya can back me up on these. Seems to me that GBP is cursed. I hate to see fighters sign there and then get hexed.

big time. manny'll lose his next fight if he fights under the GBP banner.

Anybody know anything about Sugar Ray Leonard's promotional co.?

I think it would be a good idea.
Didn't someone say that DLH lets his fighters go against the fighters they want to?

Well, DLH is a fighter, so maybe he understand.

I have already said many times this or Top Rank would be a very wise move.

I think it would be a good idea.
Didn't someone say that DLH lets his fighters go against the fighters they want to?


Oh yes that's because GBP is not at par with TOP RANK or DON KING Production yet in influencing boxing bodies. But anyway I have nothing really against GBP it's just that Pacquiao "MIGHT" not get the best deal if he is about to fight a mexican fighter irregardless of who the promoter will be, blood is always thicker than water or paper (money) so it's always a factor to consider.

Oh yes that's because GBP is not at par with TOP RANK or DON KING Production yet in influencing boxing bodies. But anyway I have nothing really against GBP it's just that Pacquiao "MIGHT" not get the best deal if he is about to fight a mexican fighter irregardless of who the promoter will be, blood is always thicker than water or paper (money) so it's always a factor to consider.
I agree. Oscar has tried many times throughout his career to have Mexicans portray him as one of their own, but it hasn't happened.

Pac being in GBP would not be wise, imho.

Anybody know anything about Sugar Ray Leonard's promotional co.?
All I know is that it sucks big time. They have been getting a hard time getting even state Golden Gloves to fight in their cards.

All I know is that it sucks big time. They have been getting a hard time getting even state Golden Gloves to fight in their cards.

MMMppphhh lol awww shucks

hes gona be expensive

Oh yes that's because GBP is not at par with TOP RANK or DON KING Production yet in influencing boxing bodies. But anyway I have nothing really against GBP it's just that Pacquiao "MIGHT" not get the best deal if he is about to fight a mexican fighter irregardless of who the promoter will be, blood is always thicker than water or paper (money) so it's always a factor to consider.Top rank is in deep muck. The people there are up to their eyebrows in it. The Feds have them in their cross-hairs. And top execs are ratting on each other.

Sugar Ray Leonard's company started out with big hopes and great intentions. Since then it has nose-dived. Ray has not been too involved with the whole arrangement, and looks like, though he said, he would become better involved this time, such involvement will not happen in the foreseeable future.

Don King is no spring chicken. His heirs are not as clever as the Don.

For the long haul, Golden Boy could be good for Pac. MAB, GBP's mainstay outside of Oscar himself, has only few more fights left in him. Two to three years, and I think he'll say his done. Oscar can hang 'em up anytime. Pac may be eyed to take up the slack. ;)

Top rank is in deep muck. The people there are up to their eyebrows in it. The Feds have them in their cross-hairs. And top execs are ratting on each other.

Sugar Ray Leonard's company started out with big hopes and great intentions. Since then it has nose-dived. Ray has not been too involved with the whole arrangement, and looks like, though he said, he would become better involved this time, such involvement will not happen in the foreseeable future.

Don King is no spring chicken. His heirs are not as clever as the Don.

For the long haul, Golden Boy could be good for Pac. MAB, GBP's mainstay outside of Oscar himself, has only few more fights left in him. Two to three years, and I think he'll say his done. Oscar can hang 'em up anytime. Pac may be eyed to take up the slack. ;)


lol... i got your point here.Nice post deserves good karma... :D

Top rank is in deep muck. The people there are up to their eyebrows in it. The Feds have them in their cross-hairs. And top execs are ratting on each other.

Sugar Ray Leonard's company started out with big hopes and great intentions. Since then it has nose-dived. Ray has not been too involved with the whole arrangement, and looks like, though he said, he would become better involved this time, such involvement will not happen in the foreseeable future.

Don King is no spring chicken. His heirs are not as clever as the Don.

For the long haul, Golden Boy could be good for Pac. MAB, GBP's mainstay outside of Oscar himself, has only few more fights left in him. Two to three years, and I think he'll say his done. Oscar can hang 'em up anytime. Pac may be eyed to take up the slack. ;)
look at your points my friend... :p

look at your points my friend... :pYes? What about them? Ow, yes! THANKS, Pal! Didn't check it too much, didn't realize the difference until it struck me...about a couple of hudred BIG ONES MORE! THANKS AGAIN!

the question would be: if he joins golden boy promotions, then would it mean goodbye to pac-mab 2?

the question would be: if he joins golden boy promotions, then would it mean goodbye to pac-mab 2?Not neccesarily, bud. In-stable matches have been done countless times in the history of boxing...kind of reverse incest? :o It is even a lot easier to stage matches when the two principals are of the same promotions company. Pac could very well be made MAB's last hurrah! Making it so, would add much to Marco's retirement stash. Over the next two to three years, MAB can face easier ones; while Pac stays busy with such guys as Morales, Chi (or, whoever shall be there for unification if Pac wins vs. JMM), Rocky, Joan, Scott, Larios, etc. ;)

All these are predicated on that both Pac and MAB continue their winning ways. :)

The rub is if Marco won't make Pac his last outing because he doesn't want to go out a loser. Or, if Marco won't face Pac ever again because he fears his record might be stained some more.

But then, if MAB has those kinds of thinking, a Pac-MAB 2 wont happen either even if Pac does not go to GBP. :(

Not neccesarily, bud. In-stable matches have been done countless times in the history of boxing...kind of reverse incest? :o It is even a lot easier to stage matches when the two principals are of the same promotions company. Pac could very well be made MAB's last hurrah! Making it so, would add much to Marco's retirement stash. Over the next two to three years, MAB can face easier ones; while Pac stays busy with such guys as Morales, Chi (or, whoever shall be there for unification if Pac wins vs. JMM), Rocky, Joan, Scott, Larios, etc. ;)

All these are predicated on that both Pac and MAB continue their winning ways. :)

The rub is if Marco won't make Pac his last outing because he doesn't want to go out a loser. Or, if Marco won't face Pac ever again because he fears his record might be stained some more.

But then, if MAB has those kinds of thinking, a Pac-MAB 2 wont happen either even if Pac does not go to GBP. :(

Yup, and may I add that MAB is in between that thinking and his mexican aztec macho pride. Well, which one will prevail? as they say grayfist, YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE.

Top rank is in deep muck. The people there are up to their eyebrows in it. The Feds have them in their cross-hairs. And top execs are ratting on each other.

Sugar Ray Leonard's company started out with big hopes and great intentions. Since then it has nose-dived. Ray has not been too involved with the whole arrangement, and looks like, though he said, he would become better involved this time, such involvement will not happen in the foreseeable future.

Don King is no spring chicken. His heirs are not as clever as the Don.

For the long haul, Golden Boy could be good for Pac. MAB, GBP's mainstay outside of Oscar himself, has only few more fights left in him. Two to three years, and I think he'll say his done. Oscar can hang 'em up anytime. Pac may be eyed to take up the slack. ;)


i think u got a good point here, everybody else oscar has signed to GBP is two or three fights away from retiring - mosley, hops, mab. GBP needs manny because he's long term, his career is just gettin started.

i think u got a good point here, everybody else oscar has signed to GBP is two or three fights away from retiring - mosley, hops, mab. GBP needs manny because he's long term, his career is just gettin started.Thankx, pal! :)

Yup, and may I add that MAB is in between that thinking and his mexican aztec macho pride. Well, which one will prevail? as they say grayfist, YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE.Indeeed, buddy!

Yes? What about them? Ow, yes! THANKS, Pal! Didn't check it too much, didn't realize the difference until it struck me...about a couple of hudred BIG ONES MORE! THANKS AGAIN!
thanks also pal... :D

Top rank is in deep muck. The people there are up to their eyebrows in it. The Feds have them in their cross-hairs. And top execs are ratting on each other.

Sugar Ray Leonard's company started out with big hopes and great intentions. Since then it has nose-dived. Ray has not been too involved with the whole arrangement, and looks like, though he said, he would become better involved this time, such involvement will not happen in the foreseeable future.

Don King is no spring chicken. His heirs are not as clever as the Don.

For the long haul, Golden Boy could be good for Pac. MAB, GBP's mainstay outside of Oscar himself, has only few more fights left in him. Two to three years, and I think he'll say his done. Oscar can hang 'em up anytime. Pac may be eyed to take up the slack. ;)

I agree, I think Top Rank and GBP are the 2 options and i'll go with GBP. :)

it looks like Pac is going that way----------->> GBP :)

it looks like Pac is going that way----------->> GBP :)

i think Manny should keep on winning first then the promoters wont have to much work to do but if Pac has to leave Murad, i will also for good name ....Golden Boy Promotion sounds like a good name :cool:

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Hey Pac here is a number to call 213-854-8989 this is Oscar De La Hoya's number, call him and go to Golden Boy Promotions A.S.A.P.














P.S. The number above may be a real number,please do not try to call it (Just for fun)
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The beauty of being with Golden boy is like someone said a bit earlier, Oscar is not afraid to let his fighters fight whoever they need to fight to elevate themselves-even if it is a huge risk. HE is not worried about one of his cash cows losing-he understands thats the nature of the beast...other promoters give us big fights too but usually they are a few years after they should have taken place because the Arums/Kings of the world are mismatching their repsective guys so they can get as much money out of them as possible before it is cross your fingers time against the big time.

Look at MAB...on top of the world a top 5 p4per and he signs with OScar and goes right after Manny...All the while what was Bob Arum doing with Erik Morales-they were putting on payperviews against Guty Espada and Carlos Hernandez.

Oscar can afford to do this-he maybe the richest promoter in the game and he has been at this for a few years....the money was quite apparent in the recent Hopkins purse bid where Oscar bid over 4 million for the fight and neither Don King or Bob Arum went over 1.8 million...as I said in an earlier post...this purse bid represents a changing of the guard...it is a slow process but I can't see how this process is going to be stoppped.

A move by Pacman to GBP will benefit BOTH camps...so y not?

A move by Pacman to GBP will benefit BOTH camps...so y not?

yeah man, that's true, as long as oscar will not play favoritism, you know..i mean keeping his latino brothers out of the way to meet pacquiao, like barrera..

The smartest move possible for the Pacman, save for Top Rank. It has become apparent that Murad Muhammad can get leverage with regards to fighters like Lucero and Ledwaba, but Pacquiao will continue to get the short purses and bad decisions as long as he is with a small time promoter. With Barrera being represented by Golden Boy, a rematch is much easier to make. I still feel that his best shot would be to sign with Bob Arum, who currently represents Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez. But Golden Boy is a close second.

Manny Pacquiao will be good for GBP and vice versa.
At the rate 2004 went for Manny, except for the JMM fight,
he should be looking into linking up with the bigtime promoters. I say
Pac + GBP = MONEY & BIGTIME FIGHTS.

He should sign with Don King, he needs the "protection".

He should sign with Don King, he needs the "protection".

Protection from whom? from what?

I don't think it would be a good idea because every fighter that joins GBP seems to lose their next fight. Consider the following:


- MAB lost (big time) to Pac in his first GBP fight
- Juan Carlos Rubio gets KOd in his first fight under GBP
- Juan Valenzuela sustains an injury before being able to fight for the first time under GBP
- Fernando Montiel lost his first fight (against Mark Johnson by MD) in his first fight under GBP
- Javier Jauregui loses his second fight under GBP to Julio Diaz by MD.

I'm sure there are more, and Baya can back me up on these. Seems to me that GBP is cursed. I hate to see fighters sign there and then get hexed.

good observation!

even the golden boy lost his own fight! lol

Protection from whom? from what?

LOL, you have much to learn...the judges.

He should sign with Don King, he needs the "protection".
Don King, Arum , Murad...they're all birds of the same feather. GBP is worth a try. Although, it's GBP that needs Pacman, more than Pacman needs GBP.

the question would be: if he joins golden boy promotions, then would it mean goodbye to pac-mab 2?


That would have to be a big YES. Until one of them goes a different route. No way will GBP pit its own fighters against each other.

Pac will not sign with Golden Boy.. Pac needs MAB and MAB needs Pac.. if Pac signs with GBP.. good bye MAB vs PAC 2

The beauty of being with Golden boy is like someone said a bit earlier, Oscar is not afraid to let his fighters fight whoever they need to fight to elevate themselves-even if it is a huge risk. HE is not worried about one of his cash cows losing-he understands thats the nature of the beast...other promoters give us big fights too but usually they are a few years after they should have taken place because the Arums/Kings of the world are mismatching their repsective guys so they can get as much money out of them as possible before it is cross your fingers time against the big time.

Look at MAB...on top of the world a top 5 p4per and he signs with OScar and goes right after Manny...All the while what was Bob Arum doing with Erik Morales-they were putting on payperviews against Guty Espada and Carlos Hernandez.

Oscar can afford to do this-he maybe the richest promoter in the game and he has been at this for a few years....the money was quite apparent in the recent Hopkins purse bid where Oscar bid over 4 million for the fight and neither Don King or Bob Arum went over 1.8 million...as I said in an earlier post...this purse bid represents a changing of the guard...it is a slow process but I can't see how this process is going to be stoppped.

good money is good, where's that phone number of Oscar better give it quickly to the PACMAN...

in another thread its was mentioned that the PAC-JMM did not reach the ratings expectation by HBO...

i think with Golden Boy Promotions and with Oscar's name recognition, PAC can be one day be household name in the US, the only thing his has to do is win fights...

I see that you are looking at this thread dr. cynical.

I see that you are looking at this thread dr. cynical.
Damn kid.. You really are stalking me. Wtf? :?!:

I see that you are looking at this thread dr. cynical.

LMAO! damn cynical you shouldnt have posted your pics in the adult lounge :D

LMAO! damn cynical you shouldnt have posted your pics in the adult lounge :D

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He knows that I am just ****ing with him. I'm just messing with his head thats all.

LMAO! damn cynical you shouldnt have posted your pics in the adult lounge :D
lol Those pics weren't that great, I thought it'd be safe to post those pics.

Damnit.. You're right, I shouldn't have.

First I had Jack asking me out for a date, now I have LilHopkins stalking me, what's next? :p

It should be a good move.