http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim092006.asp

Here's an excerpt of an article on Morales' training for his next fight with Pacman. Clearly, someone is trying to make Morales heavy and slow :rolleyes: :
"As for what exercises are utilized, Park says, "A little bit of everything," with plyometrics, core strengthening drills, running and the old boxing taboo - weight training.

Which Park clarifies by explaining, "In terms of actual weight training, per se, I wouldn't say it's in the general terms that people know weight training, such as bench pressing or barbell squats, things of that nature. Because the object with Erik is not necessarily to put on mass but to get to his weight. So we didn't want to put on a lot of muscle because losing muscle is very, very difficult.

“So it was matter of just keeping what he had, making sure that it was strong and even stronger."

Morales worked with the Velocity team six days a week (his off-day being Sunday), switching between cardiovascular and interval running every other day, followed by a resting period where he would eat a meal and consume supplements, followed by a strength training workout, which took approximately an hour.

Workouts such as these are common in the other major sports. But boxing has been painfully slow to adapt and to utilize advances in research and technology. Boxing may not subscribe anymore to eating four raw eggs for breakfast, followed by monotonous roadwork in construction boots, a session at the gym and a dinner of steak and potatoes at night, but it's only step or two from that.

“I’ll put my head on the line and say this," proclaims Park, "that quite frankly, I think in ten years time if the boxers, especially the Latin boxers, if they train like they do now, they're not going to last. Because just like any other sport, it's evolved to such a degree. I don't think there's any top athlete in the world today that's not doing weight training. Unfortunately, they still have this archaic thinking that weight training slows you down.

“Well, it depends on how you do the weight training, number one. Number two, there's never been any physiological evidence that weight training slows you down. A perfect example is you look at the physique of a 100-meter runner, these guys in six months, they could enter a body-building competition. These guys are the fastest guys in the world with all that muscle. So there's no question that weight training can not only enhance your power, but enhance your speed. Because what it does in fact - if done correctly - is build white-fiber, which is your explosive fiber. And that's exactly what a boxer needs."

Velocity Personal Training, which is located in West Los Angeles, has a diverse clientele that includes figures in the entertainment world and business professionals to plain ol' housewives. And it does have boxing experience.

“We trained (Oscar) De La Hoya for nine fights, he was undefeated," Park said. "He went through some changes and he decided no longer to use our program. He then lost four fights. He didn't do any weight training, he changed everything. So I think the proof is in the pudding at the risk of sounding conceited." "

oh no, not the W word.

anyways its always cool to read about others and how they train especially some one as succesfull as Morales.

http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim092006.asp

Here's an excerpt of an article on Morales' training for his next fight with Pacman. Clearly, someone is trying to make Morales heavy and slow :rolleyes: :
"As for what exercises are utilized, Park says, "A little bit of everything," with plyometrics, core strengthening drills, running and the old boxing taboo - weight training.

Which Park clarifies by explaining, "In terms of actual weight training, per se, I wouldn't say it's in the general terms that people know weight training, such as bench pressing or barbell squats, things of that nature. Because the object with Erik is not necessarily to put on mass but to get to his weight. So we didn't want to put on a lot of muscle because losing muscle is very, very difficult.

“So it was matter of just keeping what he had, making sure that it was strong and even stronger."

Morales worked with the Velocity team six days a week (his off-day being Sunday), switching between cardiovascular and interval running every other day, followed by a resting period where he would eat a meal and consume supplements, followed by a strength training workout, which took approximately an hour.

Workouts such as these are common in the other major sports. But boxing has been painfully slow to adapt and to utilize advances in research and technology. Boxing may not subscribe anymore to eating four raw eggs for breakfast, followed by monotonous roadwork in construction boots, a session at the gym and a dinner of steak and potatoes at night, but it's only step or two from that.

“I’ll put my head on the line and say this," proclaims Park, "that quite frankly, I think in ten years time if the boxers, especially the Latin boxers, if they train like they do now, they're not going to last. Because just like any other sport, it's evolved to such a degree. I don't think there's any top athlete in the world today that's not doing weight training. Unfortunately, they still have this archaic thinking that weight training slows you down.

“Well, it depends on how you do the weight training, number one. Number two, there's never been any physiological evidence that weight training slows you down. A perfect example is you look at the physique of a 100-meter runner, these guys in six months, they could enter a body-building competition. These guys are the fastest guys in the world with all that muscle. So there's no question that weight training can not only enhance your power, but enhance your speed. Because what it does in fact - if done correctly - is build white-fiber, which is your explosive fiber. And that's exactly what a boxer needs."

Velocity Personal Training, which is located in West Los Angeles, has a diverse clientele that includes figures in the entertainment world and business professionals to plain ol' housewives. And it does have boxing experience.

“We trained (Oscar) De La Hoya for nine fights, he was undefeated," Park said. "He went through some changes and he decided no longer to use our program. He then lost four fights. He didn't do any weight training, he changed everything. So I think the proof is in the pudding at the risk of sounding conceited." "

You, Bigdozer and myself have all stated the same things in the last weightlifting thread started by that meathead Potatoes. (or is it a potato head?) I have never heard such nonsense at least in the last ten years "refering to the opposing side of the issue" I urge young boxers to listen to experience talking. "typing" and not only train with weights for adding strength. But do it right and indeed you don't have to put on too much weight and or mass. Nice post Punch Drunk

I weight train, most elite athletes weight train, some don't, some won't. Some people hate weight training because they don't know what to do, so instead of getting knowledge, they just hate.I no longer care, I'm no longer a personal trainer, so I could give a damn about anyone else fitness but my own. Basketball players lift, tennis players lift, hell even swimmers and golfers lift! Science may say it, but i've gone out in the field and tested it and proved it, so i'm good. I say to all people of the world,do u, whatever that is. I know there will less to talk about if nobody gives a hellafied damn about what someone else does, but i'm already there and I still have a bit to talk about(lol). I have had my haters on here, no need to mention names u know who u are, but just do u, don't worry about what another person thinks or does. They will know exactly what u do works when they are peeling themselves off the canvas. I do me and it works, do u, and just keep it movin, agree to disagree and keep it movin.

Morales trains with weights? Wow! What a surprise! :eek:

By the way, when Pacquiao knocked him out do you remember his excuse? Morales said he was wornout from trying to make weight. Imagine that? He pumps himself up then has to dehydrate himself to make weight. Now isn't that clever! :rolleyes:

These modern training methods sure are great! ;)

Morales trains with weights? Wow! What a surprise! :eek:

By the way, when Pacquiao knocked him out do you remember his excuse? Morales said he was wornout from trying to make weight. Imagine that? He pumps himself up then has to dehydrate himself to make weight. Now isn't that clever! :rolleyes:

These modern training methods sure are great! ;)

THERE IS A REASON FIGHTERS "COMPETITIVE ONES" DON'T USE THOSE STONE AGE TRAINING ROUTINE. THEY DON'T WORK USING THOSE METHODS THEY ARE LEFT IN THE DARK AGES THEY FOUND THE METHODS IN. Morales' problem has more to do with the weight division he is fighting in and the way he choses to make weight. Training with weights the wrong way = bad for any sport. doing sport specific training using resistance such as weights = better athlete. period. You can qote as you love to do on historic fighters there methods of training and all of the nonsense you want. Progress is moving one direction you my friend have your head up you own ass trying to tell us how much better it smells in there.

you my friend have your head up you own ass trying to tell us how much better it smells in there.

:nutkick: :rofl: LMFAO. I am so using that line someday.

THERE IS A REASON FIGHTERS "COMPETITIVE ONES" DON'T USE THOSE STONE AGE TRAINING ROUTINE. THEY DON'T WORK USING THOSE METHODS THEY ARE LEFT IN THE DARK AGES THEY FOUND THE METHODS IN. Morales' problem has more to do with the weight division he is fighting in and the way he choses to make weight. Training with weights the wrong way = bad for any sport. doing sport specific training using resistance such as weights = better athlete. period. You can qote as you love to do on historic fighters there methods of training and all of the nonsense you want. Progress is moving one direction you my friend have your head up you own ass trying to tell us how much better it smells in there.



Perhaps you should email your speech to evey boxer in the world. Since nearly all of them have to dehydrate to make weight, they must all be in the "DARK AGES." I am quite sure they will listen to a renowned authority like you! :rolleyes:

Morales trains with weights? Wow! What a surprise! :eek:

By the way, when Pacquiao knocked him out do you remember his excuse? Morales said he was wornout from trying to make weight. Imagine that? He pumps himself up then has to dehydrate himself to make weight. Now isn't that clever! :rolleyes:

These modern training methods sure are great! ;)

Obviously you didn't READ THE ARTICLE!! If you did, then you'd know he's switched his training around from the old school guessing game, because THAT is why he had a problem making weight. This time, he doesn't want to have that problem, so he's using modern training methods, which include weight training.

And NO, he's not "pumping himself up." The mere fact that you say this says 2 things:

1. You didn't read the article, because you'd know better if you did.
2. You know NOTHING about weight training for boxers, since you equate weight training to pumping up!

Now go read the article, or stay the **** out of this thread. This is for people who take the time to actually read it!

This guy is what I call a lifer, in his entire life he will never ever get a clue. He thinks what he thinks is right, who are we to disagree, what he believes is true to him. That is his reality. But new age techniques as include a more specific diet as well, working with dieticians as well as sports specific trainers. Let him believe what he believes, its his life no your nor mine(thank God for the latter).

Obviously you didn't READ THE ARTICLE!! If you did, then you'd know he's switched his training around from the old school guessing game, because THAT is why he had a problem making weight. This time, he doesn't want to have that problem, so he's using modern training methods, which include weight training.

And NO, he's not "pumping himself up." The mere fact that you say this says 2 things:

1. You didn't read the article, because you'd know better if you did.
2. You know NOTHING about weight training for boxers, since you equate weight training to pumping up!

Now go read the article, or stay the **** out of this thread. This is for people who take the time to actually read it!





You little nerdy boys must have a great time spewing out your silly-ass theories. Theories are one thing, reality is another. Next time you watch HBO boxing, take note of the weight gain after the previous day weigh-in. Does that happen by magic? I suppose you are going to tell us that it is caused by a mega-protein overnight diet combined with ultra-twitch weightlifting! :p

You little nerdy boys must have a great time spewing out your silly-ass theories. Theories are one thing, reality is another. Next time you watch HBO boxing, take note of the weight gain after the previous day weigh-in. Does that happen by magic? I suppose you are going to tell us that it is caused by a mega-protein overnight diet combined with ultra-twitch weightlifting! :p

Next time, reply to what I say instead of changing the subject, you coward.

I know it must seem like magic to someone like you, with absolutely NO knowledge or practical experience. :rolleyes:

You little nerdy boys must have a great time spewing out your silly-ass theories. Theories are one thing, reality is another. Next time you watch HBO boxing, take note of the weight gain after the previous day weigh-in. Does that happen by magic? I suppose you are going to tell us that it is caused by a mega-protein overnight diet combined with ultra-twitch weightlifting! :p

:D Silly little boys????? I do this for a living. Not an armchair critic like your silly little self. It is a fact coming from years of research resistance builds and strengthens muscle fibers. Would you argue that you need muscles to move? Ok. It has also been proven that You can add strength, and endurance to fast twitch muscle fibers with out gaining a lot of mass. Hence adding power, endurance, and speed. WOW I'd sure hate to have those three on my side in the ring wouldn't u? Your ignorance baffles me. Dehydrating yourself for the purpose of making weight now that is the athletes mistake. Has nothing to do with the training. How could you even make your silly little statement. He drank more fluids put the weight back on so what thats been going on for years. Fighters trying to get an edge and fighting 10-15lbs under what they should be fighting. Maybe he doesn't feel he has the skills to deal with the larger apponents. who knows, but what the hell does that have to do with lifting weights? really.

LIKED THIS ARTICLE POSTED @ ROSSBOXING, THOUGHT IT WAS RELEVENT
Recently, I had the opportunity to speak with John Schaeffer, strength and conditioning coach for Welterweight prospect Kermit Cintron (17-0 - 16 KO’s). Mr. Schaeffer is a well-regarded trainer who has worked with over 50 world-class athletes throughout his career. His resume includes professional basketball, boxing, and football players and numerous Olympians, just to name a few. He has worked with several fighters including the power punching Ray Mercer and Alex Zolkin.

I first asked John about his current work with Kermit Cintron. He commented by saying, “Kermit is easy to work with. All I have to do is lay the program out and he does it to a tee. Some guys do not want to work. With Kermit, if anything, I have to hold him back. His hard work shows.”

I then asked John to comment on how aspiring boxers can learn from Kermit’s work ethic when striving toward their goals. John commented by saying “Work ethic goes along with how bad you want it. There are no limitations to your success if you have the desire to reach your goals. In addition, you must be led in the right direction when training.” I agree with John and his theory regarding work ethic. If you have the heart and desire to excel, you alone will decide your level of success. This premise holds true for boxing and life in general.
A boxer's objective is to maximize power and explosiveness, while maintaining his ideal fighting weight. Consider Kermit Cintron, John commented that his body fat is between 2 ½ and 3%. He added that body fat is not an important energy source for the boxer due to the sport’s anaerobic nature. “Kermit has the lean muscle mass of a guy 2 weight classes ahead of him.” This is one of the reasons that Kermit has been so explosive with his punching ability. Of Kermit’s 17 victories, 16 have come by knockout.

John also mentioned the importance of a boxer properly supplementing his diet for enhanced performance. He added that natural supplementation has dramatically improved in the past 10 years. Some of the most popular for boxing include Inosine, Creatine, and mineral supplements. A boxer in training will deplete mineral stores at an exorbitant pace. Minerals are vital to human life. Minerals are inorganic substances not produced by the body. They are required for proper bodily functions. To perform at optimum levels, you must supplement.

As a strength coach, John has been first hand witness to the amazing results that PROPER weight training can produce in athletes from all sports. When asked why so many boxing trainers object to weight training, he responded with the following. “Boxing has simply not evolved scientifically”. He added that other sports have evolved to the point where a 300 pound football player can now run a 4.5 second 40 yard dash. The fact remains that through proper weight training, you can hit harder, faster, and quicker.

In boxing, there is a 3 to 1 work-to-rest ratio. Each round requires 3 minutes of intense work with a 1-minute rest interval. A proper conditioning program will pattern itself around these time intervals. John agreed that those who run 5 miles each day are simply not training specific to their sport. By running 5 miles, the athlete does not condition the two anaerobic energy systems. Instead, boxers should focus their “roadwork” around sports-specific sprint and interval routines.

Many veterans to the fight game will read this in disbelief. Surely there have been several world champions that never subscribed to a weight training and anaerobic conditioning routine. John was quick to point out, “Just because someone was a World Champion, does not mean they were the best that they could have been”.

These are important words to remember, as you must always look to optimize performance. Eventually, you will meet an opponent with an equal skill set. The difference in the fight will often be determined by who is the stronger, better-conditioned man.

It is not enough to train hard, you must train smart.



ANOTHER SILLY LITTLE BOY I GUESS HUH POTATOES :confused:

morales has the skinnest arms in boxing..ive seen training videos of him..and he uses weights to do lunges

if morales did'nt blow up like a ballon between fights he would'nt have lost 3 out of 4 and he would'nt need to do this. he's an old school fighter and the old school methods are always best.

if morales did'nt blow up like a ballon between fights he would'nt have lost 3 out of 4 and he would'nt need to do this. he's an old school fighter and the old school methods are always best.



Almost nobody uses old school training methods these days, that is why I got out of training years ago. Kids just refuse to do things the right way. Everybody wants to pump up their muscles these days because it looks cool. But the fact is looking cool doesn't win fights. I think it is absolutely disgusting how these modern trainers have the temerity to advise young boxers to pump themselves up then dehydrate for the fight. Morales has to lose then regain at least 10 pounds every fight, Gatti is even more extreme at about 20 pounds. The boxing commissions should put a stop to this nonsense.

i don't understand how people can think that lifting weights without eating more will put on mass. i mean it's just common sense....if you eat more,with all other things constant you will gain weight. a proper weight training regime, with a BODYBUILDING focus will make the weight you gain muscle, without the weights, it'll just be fat. weight training can be SPORT SPECIFIC, in other words, geared to help you in the ring, NOT put on useless mass. the weight training that guys like roy jones jr., shane mosley, kostya tszyu, eric morales, ricky hatton, arturo gatti, sam soliman and more use is SPORT SPECIFIC. The same principal for all atheletes who don't want to put on muscle, but utilize the weights to help enhance their performance in whatever sport their doing.

Almost nobody uses old school training methods these days, that is why I got out of training years ago. Kids just refuse to do things the right way. Everybody wants to pump up their muscles these days because it looks cool. But the fact is looking cool doesn't win fights. I think it is absolutely disgusting how these modern trainers have the temerity to advise young boxers to pump themselves up then dehydrate for the fight. Morales has to lose then regain at least 10 pounds every fight, Gatti is even more extreme at about 20 pounds. The boxing commissions should put a stop to this nonsense.

POTATOES YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT APPLES WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT ORANGES. EVERYTHING POSTED IN REGARDS TO WEIGHTLIFTING IS IN REFERENCE TO SPORT SPECIFIC TRAINING TO ENHANCE THE PERFORMANCE OF A COMBATIVE ATHLETE. YOU ARE STUCK ON BODY BUILDING IT IS SO DIFFERENT HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY COMPARE THE TWO? ANYBODY LOOKING TO LIFT WEIGHTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THERE APEARANCE IS WASTING THERE TIME IN BOXING. HINDERING MORE SO THAN HELPING THERE CAUSE. FACT OF THE MATTER IS TO STRENGTHEN YOUR BODY ONLY MAKES SENSE. WHEN SPEAKING OF FIGHTING. AND WITH TODAYS ATHLETES IT IS NOT ONLY A PLUS, IT IS ABSOLUTLY NECESSARY
Many veterans to the fight game will read this in disbelief. Surely there have been several world champions that never subscribed to a weight training and anaerobic conditioning routine. John was quick to point out, “Just because someone was a World Champion, does not mean they were the best that they could have been”.

These are important words to remember, as you must always look to optimize performance. Eventually, you will meet an opponent with an equal skill set. The difference in the fight will often be determined by who is the stronger, better-conditioned man.

PERIOD :duh:
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POTATOES YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT APPLES WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT ORANGES. EVERYTHING POSTED IN REGARDS TO WEIGHTLIFTING IS IN REFERENCE TO SPORT SPECIFIC TRAINING TO ENHANCE THE PERFORMANCE OF A COMBATIVE ATHLETE. YOU ARE STUCK ON BODY BUILDING IT IS SO DIFFERENT HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY COMPARE THE TWO? ANYBODY LOOKING TO LIFT WEIGHTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THERE APEARANCE IS WASTING THERE TIME IN BOXING. HINDERING MORE SO THAN HELPING THERE CAUSE. FACT OF THE MATTER IS TO STRENGTHEN YOUR BODY ONLY MAKES SENSE. WHEN SPEAKING OF FIGHTING. AND WITH TODAYS ATHLETES IT IS NOT ONLY A PLUS, IT IS ABSOLUTLY NECESSARY
Many veterans to the fight game will read this in disbelief. Surely there have been several world champions that never subscribed to a weight training and anaerobic conditioning routine. John was quick to point out, “Just because someone was a World Champion, does not mean they were the best that they could have been”.

These are important words to remember, as you must always look to optimize performance. Eventually, you will meet an opponent with an equal skill set. The difference in the fight will often be determined by who is the stronger, better-conditioned man.

PERIOD :duh:
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Maybe you are right, maybe boxers could improve their performance with weight training. But the simple fact is few, if any, of them are actually doing it. Most of the heavyweights can't go more than 6 rounds without showing clear signs of fatigue, and most of the guys in the lower weight divisions must dehydrate themselves to make weight. I don't see much ****in' science in that! You will be lucky to find one boxer in a thousand who has any degree of sophistication in their weight training. The end results are clearly proof of that. Bernard Hopkins is supposed to have some brilliant strength trainer. Is that really true? According to HBO he had a large pre-fight weight gain. What is so scientific about that? All he did was hire some expensive clown to teach him to do what everybody else is doing!

i don't understand how people can think that lifting weights without eating more will put on mass. i mean it's just common sense....if you eat more,with all other things constant you will gain weight. a proper weight training regime, with a BODYBUILDING focus will make the weight you gain muscle, without the weights, it'll just be fat. weight training can be SPORT SPECIFIC, in other words, geared to help you in the ring, NOT put on useless mass. the weight training that guys like roy jones jr., shane mosley, kostya tszyu, eric morales, ricky hatton, arturo gatti, sam soliman and more use is SPORT SPECIFIC. The same principal for all atheletes who don't want to put on muscle, but utilize the weights to help enhance their performance in whatever sport their doing.

i always find weight training to be a fascinating subject among athletes. personally, i like to vary my work with weights greatly, although i don't even own weightlifting equipment. i use to, but i don't really feel that i need barbells, etc. medicine balls, bodyweight exercises, and many other "unique" to my fighting system exercises have taken the place of my traditional weight lifting equipment.

i agree with your point about sport specific related weight exercises and have stated this on many occasions. seeing that you mentioned kostya tszyu, did you know he endorses kettlebells? i have heard great things about them and think i'll pick up a pair sometime in the future.

yeah you can to to tszyu's website and look at his gallery. he has a ton of training pics which show his boxing, conditioning, and weight training workouts. he uses alot of traditional weight training and also kettlebells, it's cool so get such a in depth look at his training.

The guy is old. Nothing will change that, or the outcome of the fight.....

I do both, it seems like if get a good run in get my cardio going I can lift a little more and even do much more reps then if I'd just go straight to weight lifting alone