Got into this discussion with someone after reading an article about the hardest sports to compete in. This person agreed with the article that gymnasts are the best all around athletes in terms of strength, flexibility, speed, agillity, and stamina. I disagreed and said that I think boxers are by far the best all around athletes. I think alot of people see boxers as just punchers with strength and dont know the vastness of our skills and abilities. What would you guys rank as the best all around athletes? My top 5 is probably:

1. Boxer (i think anyone who has trained knows why)
2. Hocky Players (skating is hard enough, add the physicality, and stick work)
3. Football Safety (combination of strength/speed/catching)
4. Basketball Guard/Foward (have alot of different mucles involved, as well as explosivness)
5. Wrestling/Grappling

I have two questions.

1) Where is soccer?
2) What does "athlete" mean? Very vague meaning, IMO.

well the article was basically which sports athletes were the best all around. i guess its similar to which sport is the hardest. i just found an ESPN article which rates boxing as the hardest sport to pick up and compete in.

Im talking about in the catagories of Endurance, Strength, Speed, Agillity, Flexibility, Nervous System, Reflexes, Hand Eye Coordination, and intelligence/Aptitude.

I repeat...why isn't soccer there?

thatas just my top 5. soccer is 10th on the ESPN list.

For me:

1.) Boxing
2.) Rugby
3.) Soccer
4.) Wrestling
5.) Hockey

1) Boxing
2) Runner
3) Soccer/Football in this country.
4) Gymnastics
5) Basketball

Off the top of my head and with little thought.

tennis players require great conditioning, and reflexes, so do swimmers.

tennis players require great conditioning, and reflexes, so do swimmers.
I agree on swimmers. Not tennis though. Swimmers I would put next to runners on my list and take off Basketball.

1. Basketball players - they have to have speed, agility, power,explosiveness, and amazing stamina.
2. Volleyball players - underestimated but they must be extremely fit and well trained.
3. Wrestlers - some of the best conditioned athletes in the world.
4. Boxers - ....self explanitory.
5. Runners/Swimmers...they do not neccesarily require weight regimes or as much overall training as the other sports, because they focus on one aspect, ie 100 metre dash, etc well runners more so than swimmers.

I agree on swimmers. Not tennis though. Swimmers I would put next to runners on my list and take off Basketball.
Swimming is the sport that requires the most muscles, guess what the second is.....






Tennis

thats not true log running and recovery is the sport that uses the most muscles.

Swimming is the sport that requires the most muscles, guess what the second is.....






Tennis
Put a tennis player in the ring. Watch them die.

Put a boxer on the court. Watch them get beat, but never tired.

Boxing > Tennis easy.

Btw other dude. Did you just put Wrestling above boxing? Dont. Again.

thats not true log running and recovery is the sport that uses the most muscles.
i think everytime i walk with a bonner im doing exersice thats how big i am :D

Wrestling is a more difficult than boxing, it requires more training, endurance, explosiveness and power. Not the wrestling you see on WWE but real wrestling like Olympic wrestling.

why do you walk with a bonner in the first place? just to get the exercise?

Put a tennis player in the ring. Watch them die.

Put a boxer on the court. Watch them get beat, but never tired.

Boxing > Tennis easy.

Btw other dude. Did you just put Wrestling above boxing? Dont. Again.
tennis player wont get tired either just ktfo, they dont train to take punches just like boxers dont tain to swing a racket around, dont get me wrong short white shorts with white shoes and a headband are still very queer

Wrestling is a more difficult than boxing, it requires more training, endurance, explosiveness and power. Not the wrestling you see on WWE but real wrestling like Olympic wrestling.
No, really, it doesnt.

Boxers are the most well conditioned athletes you can get for combat.

Runners are the most well conditioned for covering distance at speed.

And so on and so forth.

Wrestling is "only" 3 rounds, 4-5 minutes each I think. And I say only because that's 12-15 minutes compared to a boxer's 45 minutes of work.

tennis player wont get tired either just ktfo, they dont train to take punches just like boxers dont tain to swing a racket around, dont get me wrong short white shorts with white shoes and a headband are still very queer
Tennis player wouldnt be able to go 12 rounds taking shots to the body and head. Even if they didnt get sparked out they wouldnt have the conditioning to do that.

A boxer would be able to play tennis for a few sets however.

Obviously we have differing opinions, I just think you've been watching Rocky 2 too much (if thats the one he takes on Hulk Hogan, I believe it is if memory serves). Wrestlers are way better conditioned for combat than boxers, they are adapted to any situation fighting on the ground or standing. While boxers can only fight standings (sterotypically).

Tennis shouldn't even be a sport...

A tennis player has the conditioning/stamina to go 15 rounds assuming they do not get KO'ed or even hit. You are making a totally unrealistic comparison. And I don't think Anna Kournikova or Maria Sharapova look queer in their tennis cloths El Jefe.

A tennis player will never last 15 rounds...never...

Our schools tennis team won state 4 years in a rows and 9/10 can't make 2 miles of running.

A tennis player has the conditioning/stamina to go 15 rounds assuming they do not get KO'ed or even hit. You are making a totally unrealistic comparison. And I don't think Anna Kournikova or Maria Sharapova look queer in their tennis cloths El Jefe.
mmm they dont wear the classic white, and they dont have a penis......

Professional Tennis Players can make 10 miles easy. Your school is playing against other lazy kids... they aren't pro's it isn't their job they arent committed enough.

A tennis player has the conditioning/stamina to go 15 rounds assuming they do not get KO'ed or even hit. You are making a totally unrealistic comparison. And I don't think Anna Kournikova or Maria Sharapova look queer in their tennis cloths El Jefe.
They can go 15 rounds, by not being hit?

So what do they do for 15 rounds, stay on their feet and move around? I think any old fatty could do that.

Being hit is part and parcel with boxing. Being hit in the stomach full pelt and having the stamina to continue. Or throwing power punches round after round after round requires stamina. Dont tell me that Tennis players could do that. Boxers who constantly get hit but still finish the 12 > Tennis players who can just about complete 3 sets of tennis (they always get cramp when they play too long, especially women).

tennis requires a lot more movement than boxing they have to run across the court to continue a rally, and a game of tennis can easily go on much longer than a boxing match.

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tennis requires a lot more movement than boxing they have to run across the court to continue a rally, and a game of tennis can easily go on much longer than a boxing match.
Its not longevity, its intensity.

Look at all the thin ass tennis players getting cramp as soon as they are made to go past 2 sets. I watched Wimbledon this year and they were dropping like fly's. In the end I was like "this is ridiculous, are they all just faking it, it cant be real?". Even the women who were only in their second ****ing set were falling to the floor and clutching their leg.

Can I ask if you have boxed before? Do you know what it feels like to take a bodyshot and then continue?

Its not longevity, its intensity.

Look at all the thin ass tennis players getting cramp as soon as they are made to go past 2 sets. I watched Wimbledon this year and they were dropping like fly's. In the end I was like "this is ridiculous, are they all just faking it, it cant be real?". Even the women who were only in their second ****ing set were falling to the floor and clutching their leg.

Can I ask if you have boxed before? Do you know what it feels like to take a bodyshot and then continue?
i have and i can tell you conditioning for boxing is hard, but so is conditioning for tennis if you are being serius, the difference is that in tennis you make a mistake is "15-love" in boxing if you make a mistake is your ass.....

Its not longevity, its intensity.

Look at all the thin ass tennis players getting cramp as soon as they are made to go past 2 sets. I watched Wimbledon this year and they were dropping like fly's. In the end I was like "this is ridiculous, are they all just faking it, it cant be real?". Even the women who were only in their second ****ing set were falling to the floor and clutching their leg.

Can I ask if you have boxed before? Do you know what it feels like to take a bodyshot and then continue?
You're being a little harsh bro. Those 'thin ass tennis players' have been playing every other day since they got into the tournament so of course they are going to cramp up. Hell, in provincials in soccer I would always cramp up on the third day (after only probably 4 games). And have you ever played tennis before? Play it for 3 hours and tell me that you won't cramp up a little bit..and that's only after one game.

Also, all you kiddies out there, there's two different kinds of athletes...one being the ones with all the physical gifts (roy jones) and ones that sports just naturally come easy to them and they can pick up **** easily..I happen to be the latter.

Soccer is way different then tennis. Soccer is closer to boxing then tennis is to boxing though. I've played soccer a few times and it's very underrated, especially the pro's which is basically running for 90 minutes back to back and sometimes it goes into overtime and stuff.

You're being a little harsh bro. Those 'thin ass tennis players' have been playing every other day since they got into the tournament so of course they are going to cramp up. Hell, in provincials in soccer I would always cramp up on the third day (after only probably 4 games). And have you ever played tennis before? Play it for 3 hours and tell me that you won't cramp up a little bit..and that's only after one game.

Also, all you kiddies out there, there's two different kinds of athletes...one being the ones with all the physical gifts (roy jones) and ones that sports just naturally come easy to them and they can pick up **** easily..I happen to be the latter.
Have you boxed? Like El Jefe said, its 15-love in tennis. Its the state of your brain in boxing.

Also have I ever played 3 hours of tennis? Erm yes, on and off. Have you ever been smashed with a combo and told to carry on for another 2 and a half minutes, whilst being winded and dazed?

Have you boxed? Like El Jefe said, its 15-love in tennis. Its the state of your brain in boxing.

Also have I ever played 3 hours of tennis? Erm yes, on and off. Have you ever been smashed with a combo and told to carry on for another 2 and a half minutes, whilst being winded and dazed?
I see what you mean but to allude that these tennis players are pansies because they are forced to retire with cramps is a little harsh. They play 2-3 hour games every other day for a couple weeks and that is going to take it's toll.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not making tennis for the best all around athletes or anything i'm only stating that you are being a little harsh in what you said, that's all.

Have you boxed? Like El Jefe said, its 15-love in tennis. Its the state of your brain in boxing.

Also have I ever played 3 hours of tennis? Erm yes, on and off. Have you ever been smashed with a combo and told to carry on for another 2 and a half minutes, whilst being winded and dazed?
i played a knock off turney in a gym class back in 04 when i was in HS, believe me playing tennins for more than 30 minutes in a row can be very harsh on your feet and leg muscles, the constant side movement is very tiring, the arms didnt get tired because punch conditioning helped but the constant side to side moving and your feet hitting the court constantly is hash on your body....

I accept that you need conditioning for tennis. But this is a top 5 list. So what my opinion on this matter is, is that it doesnt even qualify for 5th place, let alone 1st place.

Im not saying any old Tom, Dick and Harry on the street could pick up a racket and play as well or as long as the professionals. But I am saying that Boxing > Tennis. And yes Boxing > Wrestling also.

Boxing is definitely up there, that's for sure, along with soccer.

My specific list..

1) 8 furlong race horses. (No one said human, just "athelete".)
2) Soccer midfielders (I played 16 seasons, I know it pretty well)
3) Football Halfbacks (In an every-down situation)
ALSO 3) Boxers.
4) Ironman Triatheletes.
5) Cross-Country Skiers.

Tennis and others come into play, but those are my opinions.

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:lol1: this is why I love this man.

no one's said anything about ultra marathon, yet...that's one of the most extreme sports i've ever seen. one man running across the desert or the arctic for 200 kilometres non stop. those guys can handle pain

no one's said anything about ultra marathon, yet...that's one of the most extreme sports i've ever seen. one man running across the desert or the arctic for 200 kilometres non stop. those guys can handle pain
Hmmm, I said Runners. But I was talking about 26 mile Marathon runners.

Hmmm, I said Runners. But I was talking about 26 mile Marathon runners.

hey sorry i left so ill answer you're question. I haven't boxed. I've sparred/trained but i haven't boxed. I took a shot to the face with a ****ed metal claw before so i know its not easy to continue after being hit. And it hurts like a *****, puncture wounds and all.

i found an ESPN2 Article that is exactly what were talking about and boxing is number one.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills?sort=total_rank#grid

according to this list (put together by experts( Boxing recquires more Power/Strength/Endurance/Nerves/Durability then Tennis. allthough tennis does recquire more Speed/Agillity/Hand-Eye/and Flexibility.

on the criteria given...

1. basketball
2. boxing
3. hockey
4. tennis

i think your level of involvement in each sport has an affect on your answer. i think every one has had valid reasons for their own opinions
the only thing i disagree with are the swimming and running ones.. which require very little of quite a few of the criteria; agility, hand eye coordination etc.

the sports on my list i feel are the ones that u need to be capable in all the areas.

another thing that makes boxing #1 that alot of people seem to be forgetting is how much of yourself you have to sacrifice to be a good boxer, especially on the world level. I don't care who you are, if you're boxing on the world level you've taken some shots at times and left a piece of yourself in that ring, and your brain has minor damage because of it. I guess you could say the same for football though, seen plenty of folks KO'd on the field

ok here goes:
1.boxing
2.iron man events
3.australian rules football
that's as far as i go! can't think of any other 2 i can fill in

Boxer are the number 1 athletes

Just put both u guys ahead of me in the blue :P

Would kickboxing be up there with boxing? not sure as I haven't trained as one but wouldn't it have the same components?

No. Kickboxing is not nearly as physically demanding as boxing. I know, because I started my combat career as a Muay Thai fighter. In the ring, there's a ton more down time and a lot fewer blows thrown because you have to dodge kicks. Yes, the training is a little more all-inclusive, but much less intense because it isn't as focused.

also Kickboxing doesnt have as much Inside-Fighting as boxing. Legs reach further, and theres alot of leg kick, headkick attempts.

I don't know about kickboxing but all those japanese martial arts like the one Bruce Lee used to do will kill any boxer. A jab is like there roundhouse kicks.

well Bruce Lee would kill anyone im quite sure of it.

I think Martial Arts is a better form of self defense, but they are not as well trained as boxers. Boxing has had some of its venom taken away by the rules of the sport, and while the same can be said for martial arts its probably more practical in a street fight situation. However martial artists don't train cardio or strength as much as boxers. Alot more training is done on flexibility however.

what the **** are you ***gets talkin about, bruce lee isnt a fighter, he was an actor and a boxer will lick any of those bull**** martial artists, so get ur head out of ur ass

You're leaving out the burgeoning field of "Extreme Sports." Think of the talent, conditioning, and overall lack of brains it takes to compete in:

1.) Western Mongolian Penis-Wrestling
2.) Ski-boxing -- particularly the mogul event
3.) Bungee Judo
4.) Skeet Surfing
5.) Parkour (a real sport; Google it)
6.) Greco-Roman Ballroom Dance

Seriously, though. The guys (and girls) who compete in the Extreme Marathons -- like, the 100+ mile foot races through jungles and deserts and even Antarctica -- get my vote. I knew a guy in college who was into these; he ran half-marathons "to warm up." He did some race in Canada that combined a marathon-distance triathlon through trailless backcountry with technical rock & ice climbing & outdoor survival -- it was something like 4 days in the wilderness.

And then there are these maniacs:

www.oarnorthwest.com

These guys rowed to England from New York. And won. Let's talk sheer force of will.

Those get my vote.

what the **** are you ***gets talkin about, bruce lee isnt a fighter, he was an actor and a boxer will lick any of those bull**** martial artists, so get ur head out of ur ass

Anyone who reads my posts knows I am all about letting people have their opinions and not kicking up the dust, but that was probably the single dumbest thing I've read in days. First of all, name a boxer who knows how to utilize their entire body not just to their advantage, but as a weapon. Second, Bruce Lee founded Jeet Kun Do, one of the largest forms of martial arts studied in the world. His actind career was meant to present martial arts in a new way to the Western World. And as an aside, arguements like this one are pointless, because the comparison can't be made. A "martial artist" in the ring with a boxer (under boxing rules) is going to lose. The same martial artist in a MA tourney is going to win.

Boxers are the most well conditioned athletes you can get for combat.


MMA fighters are better conditioned than boxers.

They have to train in grappling and jiu jitsu which takes alot of conditioning and skill and they have to learn basic boxing, kickboxing and Muay Thai skills. On top of all the training they have to do there is the strength and conditioning workouts. They have some crazy strength and conditioning workouts.

The overall training I have seen MMA fighters do is far more intense than what I have seen from most boxers.

That's not a knock on the sport of boxing because I love boxing far more than MMA but that's what I have seen from both sports.

Personally I think Basketball players are the most athletic.

LOL!

And where are motorsports in the list?


Just because everyone knows F1 Ill bring that up.

F1 drivers loose a couple of kilos each race.

F1 drivers have to sustain forces of up to 4Gs the whole race. Braking, cornering, acclerating.

F1 drivers dont have assited brakes, its all leg muscle.

F1 drivers prolly have the absolute best reflexes in the world.


Should I mention GT(S) class drivers? Manage to be shook and G stressed for countles hours, manage to push yourself for that time, manage your tires, manage your car, manage 3 pedals, manage a heavy steering wheel...

besides being a mental workout its a physical workout like no other.

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Soccer/Football requires running huge distances over 90min. Requires speed and plenty of leg power, stellar coordination and balance (until you have ran with a ball between your legs sprinting and trying to pass 3 or 4 defence man and after that find the capacity to score a goal while running like mad and place the ball around the goaly then you cant even comment).

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Boxing, we all know this.

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Wrestling you are applying power throughout the whole match. Unlike boxing where you clinch, throw jabs etc...

In wrestling you are grabing and using your multiple muscles ALL the time.

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That ESPN stuff is just funny. Clearly biased ratings based on North Americas favorite sports.

What about fighters in the UFC i mean apart from a very short list all of them hav amazin atheltic bodys, only a few hav bellys and the ones that do still dont get that tired. my top five would be
1-MMA (UFC FIGHTIN FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT NO)done this for 3 years now
2-Boxing- (everyone that has been in boxing trainin nos y) done this for 5 years
Swimming,Gymnastics,Running etc etc would all cum in next

what the **** are you ***gets talkin about, bruce lee isnt a fighter, he was an actor and a boxer will lick any of those bull**** martial artists, so get ur head out of ur ass

All wat a retard, you tryin throwin a right hand at someone that can kick you in the face the min you move lol

Anyone that doesnt agree with me is wrong.

Anyone that doesnt agree with me is wrong.
hav you acctually ever done any sport beside boxing?

hav you acctually ever done any sport beside boxing?
Nope. Im an ignorant bastard.

Get mad.

Grr, I'm mad...

i'm not mad,and i wouldnt get mad, jst like to no im right :)

What about fighters in the UFC i mean apart from a very short list all of them hav amazin atheltic bodys, only a few hav bellys and the ones that do still dont get that tired. my top five would be
1-MMA (UFC FIGHTIN FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT NO)done this for 3 years now
2-Boxing- (everyone that has been in boxing trainin nos y) done this for 5 years
Swimming,Gymnastics,Running etc etc would all cum in next

Your ****ing me.

UFC athletic bodies?

How many lol?...............ROTFLMAO

Get mad.

Bunch of fat ****s who about 2 inches of fat all around...please man...

man you call urselves smart and you ppl think martial artists like bruce lee can beat boxers, u ppl are stupid to the max, fukin idiots

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man you call urselves smart and you ppl think martial artists like bruce lee can beat boxers, u ppl are stupid to the max, fukin idiots

some myths are hard to kill

tennis requires a lot more movement than boxing they have to run across the court to continue a rally, and a game of tennis can easily go on much longer than a boxing match.

boxing and tennis are two completely different sports, for one tennis is ****in gay and boxing is sick. but boxing is so much different from any other sport and so much more tiring, theres always football players and basketball players coming into my gym and they can't last more than 2 rounds, theres no way that a tennis player would last in a boxing match even if he wasn't getting hit that hard, he just wouldn't be able to keep throwing punches, boxing's alot more tiring then tennis.

I think the best athletes, in terms of possessing the most raw athletic PHYSICAL talent (strength, speed, stamina) would be track stars and gymnasts. Boxing is more of a skill based sport than the others and very few boxers if any could compete with say football players in 40m, 100m dashes, powerlifting and other displays of pure athleticism and strength.

Remember how poorly Joe Frazier fared when he entered that all sport athlete competition in the 70's? Same with Shane Mosley more recently.

I think boxers are the hardest working and most courageous athletes but their athleticism doesn't stack up to football players, soccer players, gymnasts, sprinters etc.

Now if you consider the mental toughness and courage needed to be a boxer, well suddenly they are a lot more impressive than the other athletes in that category

But this thread is about athleticism, as in raw physical ability. Boxing is more of a mental sport, always has been. Football players, track and field athletes, and gymnasts (as well as participants in many other sports) are on average more athletic.

I think the best athletes, in terms of possessing the most raw athletic PHYSICAL talent (strength, speed, stamina) would be track stars and gymnasts. Boxing is more of a skill based sport than the others and very few boxers if any could compete with say football players in 40m, 100m dashes, powerlifting and other displays of pure athleticism and strength.

Remember how poorly Joe Frazier fared when he entered that all sport athlete competition in the 70's? Same with Shane Mosley more recently.

I think boxers are the hardest working and most courageous athletes but their athleticism doesn't stack up to football players, soccer players, gymnasts, sprinters etc.

Now if you consider the mental toughness and courage needed to be a boxer, well suddenly they are a lot more impressive than the other athletes in that category

But this thread is about athleticism, as in raw physical ability. Boxing is more of a mental sport, always has been. Football players, track and field athletes, and gymnasts (as well as participants in many other sports) are on average more athletic.
I totally disagree... other than on the mental strength point.

You think any boxers out there could beat the best NFL players in the 40m dash or the deadlift or squat? I don't. I would bet everything I own that the guy with the best 40m dash or 100m dash in the NFL now would outrun and outlift any boxer in the history of the sport.

You can't just say the boxer punches faster or harder, and therefore is all around a better athlete because punching as a boxer does is an unnatural skill that needs to be learned through many, many hours of practice and therefore is not a good test of natural athleticism.

I consider running speed and strength the best tests of athleticism (a somewhat vague term I have to say) and athletes in many other sports would kick todays top boxers' asses in these events.

No the conditioning for either is completely different.

So no, a boxer couldnt necessarily lift that weight or run that distance in the same time. But does that mean that NO boxer could do that? I think there are boxers out there that could lift that and run that... equalling the NFL players.

I dont think there is one single NFL player that could throw a punch like a boxer though. Thats where the difference lies.

Also to say that you cannot judge athleticism because it takes years of practice to throw punches hard and fast is illogical. Why cant you base athleticism on that? Just because sprinting and dead lifting is more mainstream (you might say), it doesnt mean that any athletic achievement, achieved by a boxer, does not count...

Personally I would never say a 6'4 250lb NFL player is more athletic than a boxer... never in a million years. But thats my opinion.

man you call urselves smart and you ppl think martial artists like bruce lee can beat boxers, u ppl are stupid to the max, fukin idiots


Yes were all stupid and ur always right Happy now. :bottle:

As Bruce wud say Hop along now grass hopper.Bruce lee Bruce lee Bruce lee woooohooooooo

Mad yet? :p

Every1 knows u wud beat up Bruce seeing as ur a boxer. :boxing:

Yes were all stupid and ur always right Happy now. :bottle:

As Bruce wud say Hop along now grass hopper.Bruce lee Bruce lee Bruce lee woooohooooooo

Mad yet? :p

Every1 knows u wud beat up Bruce seeing as ur a boxer. :boxing:

Bruce Lee vs Mike Tyson, no gloves. Who wins? I'd put money on Iron Mike.

Honestly, Coreano, I'd bet against you here. Of course I respect your opinion, because your a quality poster, I just think in a "no holds barred" type of situation, Lee beats Tyson because of the multi-dimensional fighting technique. (Plus I studied BL's style of martial arts, so I'm biased :P)

punching as a boxer does is an unnatural skill that needs to be learned through many, many hours of practice and therefore is not a good test of natural athleticism.


Check out the big brain on Kid Achilles. Beautifully said, man.

Honestly, Coreano, I'd bet against you here. Of course I respect your opinion, because your a quality poster, I just think in a "no holds barred" type of situation, Lee beats Tyson because of the multi-dimensional fighting technique. (Plus I studied BL's style of martial arts, so I'm biased :P)

Ringo no offense taken. I'm not knocking Bruce Lee at all, hes one of the greatest if not the greatest Martial Artists of all time. My grandfather is a 9th Degree Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do, so I respect martial arts immensly. I would just bet on Tyson, but im sure Bruce Lee could prove me wrong.

Hey Kid,Isnt natural athleticism the ease at which someone picks up a sport or technique. The natural athelete is the guy that makes what ever hes doing look natural and easy with minimun effort?????

If thats the case some1 cud be considered a natural athelete by monitoring there boxing skill and technique alone. Wud u say this is a fair statement?

please check out this link

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

it shows dat boxing is da most demanding sport overal, taking into acount fitness, skill and mental aspects of da sport!

Ringo no offense taken. I'm not knocking Bruce Lee at all, hes one of the greatest if not the greatest Martial Artists of all time. My grandfather is a 9th Degree Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do, so I respect martial arts immensly. I would just bet on Tyson, but im sure Bruce Lee could prove me wrong.


tyson? Heh...


I'd bet on little Naseem Hamed to roll up Bruce Lee...

i think what bruce did was great though. making his culture part of western culture is a beautiful thing. sucks that he's dead. it's great to see someone succeed in their passion though, and thats what bruce did.

There was a time when professional boxers were the fittest and most highly trained athletes in the world, but that was long ago. As it happens most other sports have been advancing while boxing has sadly seen a regression. Boxers had already achieved the apex of human achievement, other sports are merely catching up. Anybody who can go 15 hard rounds and show no fatigue whatsoever is in superb condition. This silly preoccupation with strength training to the detriment of fitness is a big mistake and it has led to many poor quality, boring fights which has alienated many of the fans.