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jsupe
08-30-2006, 08:53 PM
I Saw Skydog's Thread About Tyson And Him Being Overrated And It Made Me Wonder Who Is The Most Overrated Boxer Or Boxers Of All Time? And Another Question Who Was Or Is The Best At Applying The Sweet Science In The Ring, Not Hardest Puncher Or Who Was The Quickest But Who Was The Master At The Sport.

hellfire508
08-30-2006, 10:44 PM
I Saw Skydog's Thread About Tyson And Him Being Overrated And It Made Me Wonder Who Is The Most Overrated Boxer Or Boxers Of All Time? And Another Question Who Was Or Is The Best At Applying The Sweet Science In The Ring, Not Hardest Puncher Or Who Was The Quickest But Who Was The Master At The Sport.

Overrated? Tough call. Underrated is alot easier.

Masters at the sport? Moore, Pep, Charles, Duran... spring to mind.

Smokin'
08-30-2006, 10:45 PM
Duran was the master of boxing. He could fight any way he wanted too and he did it with power and precision which is rare to have both.

Cutthroat
08-30-2006, 10:51 PM
Calzaghe, he's never lost and now everyone thinks he's bad ass. The problem is that he's fought nobodies his whole career, if he fights and beats someone in the top 10, then I'll change my choice.

Kid Achilles
08-30-2006, 10:51 PM
I think Foreman is really overrated on this forum. The guy is definitely a top ten champion but people have him in the top five, even top three. He was nowhere near that great IMO and that was proven in the Ali fight where he was pretty much psychologically beaten into the ground. The older version did some things better than the younger one but you can't just combine the two and get one Foreman.

I say his place is safe in the 5-10 position. Some guys have him as the greatest heavyweight of all time, which is laughable to me.

I think Dempsey is the most underrated heavyweight on this forum.

Smokin'
08-30-2006, 10:54 PM
Dempsey fought at 135 all the way up to heavyweight if im not mistaken. People don't take him seriously because he was a shrimp to other heavyweights. I am the same way. i have seen him fight and he has definetly been over-glorified over the years. he is the one that is a poor mans tyson.

jason100x
08-30-2006, 10:55 PM
I think Dempsey is the most underrated heavyweight on this forum.

That's true.

hellfire508
08-31-2006, 01:30 AM
Dempsey fought at 135 all the way up to heavyweight if im not mistaken.

EH? What the hell are you on about?

hemichromis
08-31-2006, 01:48 AM
dempsey is certainly underrated here, probably because there are few videos of him and he had a short prime

i have foreman in m top 5 in pure fighting ability, when he believed he was the best and could destroy anyone; he could!!
ali broke him down psychologically and his body followed

if we could combine foremans 45 yearold mentallity and the 25 yearold physicallity you would have the best boxer in the world!!

Dempsey 1919
08-31-2006, 10:08 AM
I Saw Skydog's Thread About Tyson And Him Being Overrated And It Made Me Wonder Who Is The Most Overrated Boxer Or Boxers Of All Time? And Another Question Who Was Or Is The Best At Applying The Sweet Science In The Ring, Not Hardest Puncher Or Who Was The Quickest But Who Was The Master At The Sport.

Marciano is the most overrated IMO. The master of boxing is of course Ali.

leff
08-31-2006, 10:19 AM
Marciano is the most overrated IMO. The master of boxing is of course Ali.

geeeee,i would bever have guessed :rolleyes:

Dempsey 1919
08-31-2006, 10:21 AM
geeeee,i would bever have guessed :rolleyes:

Hey, I'm just speaking my peace.

leff
08-31-2006, 10:22 AM
Hey, I'm just speaking my peace.

sure, its just that your so predicabil

Dempsey 1919
08-31-2006, 10:24 AM
sure, its just that your so predicabil

Ok, whatever. Are you gonna watch my who's number one thread and top 5 reasons thread?

jsupe
08-31-2006, 05:25 PM
i wonder about marciano. i personally like him but do not think he's the most sound fighter, and have always heard people say to me that if he went 49-0 he never fought anybody worth a damn. whats peoples take on sugar ray robinson and leonard?

Kid Achilles
08-31-2006, 05:45 PM
Ali is not the answer to the question, he relied on his speed too much. Once he slowed down, he was no longer one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. Too much of his greatness depended on his speed of hand and foot.

There have been lot of extremely skillful guys who didn't have a lot other than their skill going for them, Joey Maxim being one of them. That guy was not a huge puncher, wasn't quick by any stretch, and wasn't extremely tall or rangy either. He beat guys who were expected to destroy him because he had such great fundamentals and timing.

Nacho_Analstain
08-31-2006, 05:47 PM
Calzaghe, he's never lost and now everyone thinks he's bad ass. The problem is that he's fought nobodies his whole career, if he fights and beats someone in the top 10, then I'll change my choice.

no 1 thinks hes bad ass,especially not in america,hes under rated over there

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BmoreBrawler
08-31-2006, 09:03 PM
Oscar De La Hoya

hellfire508
08-31-2006, 10:15 PM
Ali is not the answer to the question, he relied on his speed too much. Once he slowed down, he was no longer one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. Too much of his greatness depended on his speed of hand and foot.

There have been lot of extremely skillful guys who didn't have a lot other than their skill going for them, Joey Maxim being one of them. That guy was not a huge puncher, wasn't quick by any stretch, and wasn't extremely tall or rangy either. He beat guys who were expected to destroy him because he had such great fundamentals and timing.

What are you talking about? When Ali lost his speed, that's when he got his biggest victories. He beat Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Lyle, Quarry, Norton, Bonavena etc. AFTER he had diminished greatly as a fighter. Those tools that he always had, but we never got to see - granite chin, amazing heart and recuperative powers, ring intelligence etc., all came out and got him over the line against some of the best heavyweights that ever lived.

Ali was more than speed, that's why he was so great.

sleazyfellow
09-01-2006, 12:30 AM
in these forums the most overrated is a tie between ali and marciano..followed closely by tyson

hellfire508
09-01-2006, 04:56 AM
in these forums the most overrated is a tie between ali and marciano..followed closely by tyson

I think on this forum, the nuthuggery leaderboard is:

1. Tyson


2. Ali, Marciano.

Yaman
09-01-2006, 07:19 AM
I think on this forum, the nuthuggery leaderboard is:

1. Tyson


2. Ali, Marciano.

Ali should be number 1 because he has the most fans. who think he's invincible.

Southpaw Stinger
09-01-2006, 08:20 AM
Ali should be number 1 because he has the most fans. who think he's invincible.

I'm guessing tyson has the most nuthuggers but they don't last very long compared with the Ali ones.

Yaman
09-01-2006, 09:01 AM
I'm guessing tyson has the most nuthuggers but they don't last very long compared with the Ali ones.

What do you mean they dont last very long?http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8818/elefant1zy4.gif http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8818/elefant1zy4.gif

Southpaw Stinger
09-01-2006, 09:17 AM
What do you mean they dont last very long?

The pink elephants were chasing me again last night! And I mean they usually get banned for flamming. Only the true Tyson fans stay and the hangers on are cut.

leff
09-01-2006, 10:37 AM
Ok, whatever. Are you gonna watch my who's number one thread and top 5 reasons thread?


ill take a peek

leff
09-01-2006, 10:41 AM
I'm guessing tyson has the most nuthuggers but they don't last very long compared with the Ali ones.

thats cause the ali fans have a case

Yaman
09-01-2006, 10:54 AM
thats cause the ali fans have a case

And What case is that? And you better not be an Ali nuthugger :D

Dempsey 1919
09-01-2006, 11:53 AM
What are you talking about? When Ali lost his speed, that's when he got his biggest victories. He beat Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Lyle, Quarry, Norton, Bonavena etc. AFTER he had diminished greatly as a fighter. Those tools that he always had, but we never got to see - granite chin, amazing heart and recuperative powers, ring intelligence etc., all came out and got him over the line against some of the best heavyweights that ever lived.

Ali was more than speed, that's why he was so great.

Well said Heckler, well said.

Yaman
09-01-2006, 11:55 AM
Well said Heckler, well said.

Yeah great post Heckler. Hahahahahahaha http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8818/elefant1zy4.gif http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8818/elefant1zy4.gif