View Full Version : Ali vs. Wilt Chamberlin


six85
08-02-2006, 03:20 AM
I thought you guys might want to read this... It Almost Happened (http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/15150849.htm)

I'd say Ali. A lot of basketball players don't know how to fight....

Brockton Lip
08-02-2006, 06:49 AM
Ali would win but it would not be as easy as people would think and then everyone would have been yelling that Ali is overrated.

Heckler
08-02-2006, 07:56 AM
Id say Ali with relative ease, you cant expect to have a few months training and then step into the ring with an All time great and be sucessful... he could be 8 foot with an iron jaw and the punch of mike tyson... without the years of dedication in developing his skillset and gaining the experience he's not going to be victorious.

Southpaw Stinger
08-02-2006, 10:26 AM
There's no way a basketball players gonna step in there with Ali and pose any problems.

boski
08-02-2006, 11:32 AM
Ali would have absolutely murdered him. If any of you guys think that a guy with no boxing history could compete with Ali, then you are totally clueless about the sport of boxing.

Southpaw Stinger
08-02-2006, 11:45 AM
Ali would have absolutely murdered him. If any of you guys think that a guy with no boxing history could compete with Ali, then you are totally clueless about the sport of boxing.

Definatly.

You wouldn't think Ali would compete with Chamberlin in a basketball game and that transition works equally both ways, so don't expect Chamberlin to last a round with Ali.

Kid Achilles
08-02-2006, 12:51 PM
This is pretty much a no brainer. Ali puts him out of his misery within a minute.

K-DOGG
08-02-2006, 01:28 PM
To quote Ali on this matter,




"TIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMBBEEEEEEEERRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!"


:D

boski
08-02-2006, 02:08 PM
To quote Ali on this matter,




"TIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMBBEEEEEEEERRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!"


:D
LOL good one.

Hard Boiled HK
08-02-2006, 06:58 PM
It wouldn't be as close as most of us might think. Either way, it would have been interesting.

Southpaw Stinger
08-02-2006, 08:31 PM
It wouldn't be as close as most of us might think

I don't think any of us think it would be close. How could it be close? Ali boxing a basketball player? Where's the competition?

Hard Boiled HK
08-02-2006, 10:38 PM
I don't think any of us think it would be close. How could it be close? Ali boxing a basketball player? Where's the competition?

Sorry, I meant to say that it would be closer than most of us might think. The reason is because not only does he have the reach and height advantage, but being a basketball player, he had a combination of some speed, agility, and good coordination. I'm not saying he was very fast or very agile, but he had a good base. If a trainer is asked to choose a type of athlete to become boxers, they would usually choose basketball players because of those attributes. Also, Ali would most likely be ****y and not train much for the fight at all. Cus D'Amato would have had 6 - 8 months to give Chamberlain intense training.

NJFighter91
08-03-2006, 12:03 AM
Even though Ali probably wouldn't train and not care much about the fight. Chambetlain with 0 boxing experience will never beat Ali. It would take him tons of experience just to getting used to getting hit in the face, body, etc.

Briman15
08-03-2006, 12:10 AM
The more interesting question is if chamberlain could have made inroads in today's HW division. No way in hell he is even competitive against the greatest.

NJFighter91
08-03-2006, 12:18 AM
Today's heavyweights are one of the worst ever. Not enough action.

six85
08-03-2006, 12:30 AM
I agree. Valuev is 7'0 and 300 plus pounds but we still don't even compare him with the all-time greats. NJFighter that is a very funny and cute picture! When was that picture taken, post or prior to the "eat your children" quote?

NJFighter91
08-03-2006, 01:14 AM
I have no idea, I found it on another board. It's most likely photoshopped :)

fistlegend
08-04-2006, 06:56 AM
IMO the question shouldnt be who would win, obviously it would be ALI, but how long would he last against ali :D

IMO 1st round

Southpaw Stinger
08-04-2006, 09:50 AM
IMO 1st round

Even that seems long to me! Can't we get it down to seconds?

LondonRingRules
08-04-2006, 11:05 PM
There's no way a basketball players gonna step in there with Ali and pose any problems.
** Luckily, nobody wants you to pose for anything.

Wilt was more than a Jordan. He was an all-state HS track star, competing in high jump, 400M, and shotput, not a fatboy Shaq. Cus D'amato took Wilt under his tutelage and trained him for the fight. Cus wouldn't have wasted his time if Wilt had no talent. Cus said he was not training Wilt to be a boxer, but to beat one man in the ring with size, strength, reach, and a set up.

Shame the fight never came off. Different versions of why, but basically Wilt said it boiled down to money and a shaky contract. It would have been great spectacle, and guaranteed Wilt is strong enough and coordinated enough to KO anyone if he connected. Ali would have his hands full early as this was no Cleveland Williams or Brian London.

Hard Boiled HK
08-04-2006, 11:22 PM
** Luckily, nobody wants you to pose for anything.

Wilt was more than a Jordan. He was an all-state HS track star, competing in high jump, 400M, and shotput, not a fatboy Shaq. Cus D'amato took Wilt under his tutelage and trained him for the fight. Cus wouldn't have wasted his time if Wilt had no talent. Cus said he was not training Wilt to be a boxer, but to beat one man in the ring with size, strength, reach, and a set up.

Shame the fight never came off. Different versions of why, but basically Wilt said it boiled down to money and a shaky contract. It would have been great spectacle, and guaranteed Wilt is strong enough and coordinated enough to KO anyone if he connected. Ali would have his hands full early as this was no Cleveland Williams or Brian London.

And also, Ali would have no idea how Chamberlain fights.

boski
08-04-2006, 11:38 PM
** Luckily, nobody wants you to pose for anything.

Wilt was more than a Jordan. He was an all-state HS track star, competing in high jump, 400M, and shotput, not a fatboy Shaq. Cus D'amato took Wilt under his tutelage and trained him for the fight. Cus wouldn't have wasted his time if Wilt had no talent. Cus said he was not training Wilt to be a boxer, but to beat one man in the ring with size, strength, reach, and a set up.

Shame the fight never came off. Different versions of why, but basically Wilt said it boiled down to money and a shaky contract. It would have been great spectacle, and guaranteed Wilt is strong enough and coordinated enough to KO anyone if he connected. Ali would have his hands full early as this was no Cleveland Williams or Brian London.
Ali would have destroyed him in less than 1 round. You are clueless if you believe otherwise.

LondonRingRules
08-05-2006, 01:52 AM
Ali would have destroyed him in less than 1 round. You are clueless if you believe otherwise.
... and you are simply clueless in every situation, though certainly glueful in every situation.

hellfire508
08-05-2006, 04:08 AM
** Luckily, nobody wants you to pose for anything.

Wilt was more than a Jordan. He was an all-state HS track star, competing in high jump, 400M, and shotput, not a fatboy Shaq. Cus D'amato took Wilt under his tutelage and trained him for the fight. Cus wouldn't have wasted his time if Wilt had no talent. Cus said he was not training Wilt to be a boxer, but to beat one man in the ring with size, strength, reach, and a set up.

Shame the fight never came off. Different versions of why, but basically Wilt said it boiled down to money and a shaky contract. It would have been great spectacle, and guaranteed Wilt is strong enough and coordinated enough to KO anyone if he connected. Ali would have his hands full early as this was no Cleveland Williams or Brian London.

What makes you think Wilt could KO anyone? Strength and punching power are two totally different things. Look at Valuev, he is extremely strong, but doesn't punch hard at all. Then you have someone like Dempsey, who was fairly strong, but hit f**king hard. It comes down to technique, and I guess natural ability too. Even if he had coordination, it takes years of training to develop the correct technique, to throw a devastating, accurate punch that the likes of Tommy Hearns could throw. No first fight novice, would beat Ali in a boxing match, I don't care WHO it is.

Southpaw Stinger
08-05-2006, 05:28 AM
And also, Ali would have no idea how Chamberlain fights.

SO? Who says Chamberlin could fight at all? Even if he could it won't take Ali long to figure out.

This thread is a joke.

Southpaw Stinger
08-05-2006, 05:33 AM
It would have been great spectacle,

Indeed, big wilt flattened in 1.

LondonRingRules
08-05-2006, 07:10 AM
What makes you think Wilt could KO anyone? Strength and punching power are two totally different things. Look at Valuev, he is extremely strong, but doesn't punch hard at all. Then you have someone like Dempsey, who was fairly strong, but hit f**king hard. It comes down to technique, and I guess natural ability too. Even if he had coordination, it takes years of training to develop the correct technique, to throw a devastating, accurate punch that the likes of Tommy Hearns could throw. No first fight novice, would beat Ali in a boxing match, I don't care WHO it is.
** Obviously you don't think. Valuev has a 71%KO ratio, very good. KO% is more than power. You have to have enough speed and intelligence to catch up to a fighter and penetrate his defense. You really should study up.

Regardless, Wilt was the superior athlete and very competitive. The fact that D'amato was willing to train him speaks volumes and Ali was serious enough to have a contract drawn up. That's why the thread started.

Southpaw Stinger
08-05-2006, 08:30 AM
Wilt doesn't have a chance, Ali faced and destroyed talented boxers who were trained from an early age by great trainers. They were experienced and lived by the sport.

I don't care how good an athlete he was because Ali was a great athlete too. He could go 15 rounds all the time, and going 15 rounds with Frazier is harder than playing basketball or running.

So D'Amto training a basketball player isn't that impressive vs Angelo Dundee's champ.

sleazyfellow
08-05-2006, 12:14 PM
if wilt had such potential to become a boxer dont u think thats what he woulda ended up doing?? he didnt, so that speaks for itself, back then basketball players werent making so much as they do today, the fight woulda went like that great white hype movie minus the white hype lol, wilt woulda wanted to fight ali not the other way around, cause of the big payday u got when u fought ali..

LondonRingRules
08-05-2006, 02:19 PM
if wilt had such potential to become a boxer dont u think thats what he woulda ended up doing?? he didnt, so that speaks for itself, back then basketball players werent making so much as they do today, the fight woulda went like that great white hype movie minus the white hype lol, wilt woulda wanted to fight ali not the other way around, cause of the big payday u got when u fought ali..
** Wilt was making as much or more than Ali back in the 60s. You really should study up. Wilt said Ali's team sprang a new contract that didn't pay Wilt enough to endanger a season of basketball if he got hurt so Wilt killed the deal.

In school he was such a physical phenom that he was directed into BB and track/field. Had Ali been so physically gifted, so would he have been. Ali got into boxing by accident.

sleazyfellow
08-05-2006, 04:39 PM
Ali got into boxing by accident.

uh hmmm, he got into boxing after sum kid stole his bike then he learned to box, when he was a kid himself..and after he won golden gloves or sumthing he went to dundee...u study up

Brockton Lip
08-05-2006, 08:43 PM
Indeed, big wilt flattened in 1.
I don't know about that.

hellfire508
08-05-2006, 10:05 PM
** Obviously you don't think. Valuev has a 71%KO ratio, very good. KO% is more than power. You have to have enough speed and intelligence to catch up to a fighter and penetrate his defense. You really should study up.

Regardless, Wilt was the superior athlete and very competitive. The fact that D'amato was willing to train him speaks volumes and Ali was serious enough to have a contract drawn up. That's why the thread started.

You're absolutely right on the speed and intelligence part. But like I said, these things take years and years to develop. No person (no matter how large) could step into the ring and beat Muhammad Ali with absolutely no experience. On the street, yes. In the ring, no. How many fighters can step into the ring without any AMATEUR experience, and do well? Very, very few. Now let's expand on that, and say, how many can step into the ring without any amateur or professional experience, and beat arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time? None.

And I don't agree that Wilt is the superior athlete. Wasn't Ali voted athlete of the century? BTW, I'm not saying this thread is pointless, I'm saying suggesting Wilt could win is absurd.

Heckler
08-06-2006, 01:53 AM
** Luckily, nobody wants you to pose for anything.

Wilt was more than a Jordan. He was an all-state HS track star, competing in high jump, 400M, and shotput, not a fatboy Shaq. Cus D'amato took Wilt under his tutelage and trained him for the fight. Cus wouldn't have wasted his time if Wilt had no talent. Cus said he was not training Wilt to be a boxer, but to beat one man in the ring with size, strength, reach, and a set up.

Shame the fight never came off. Different versions of why, but basically Wilt said it boiled down to money and a shaky contract. It would have been great spectacle, and guaranteed Wilt is strong enough and coordinated enough to KO anyone if he connected. Ali would have his hands full early as this was no Cleveland Williams or Brian London.

. It would be arkward for Ali, but due to Wilts total lack of experience in the squared circle i would place all my money on Ali smoking him in the first round.... it was Mike Tyson that famously said 'Everyones got a plan till they get punched in the mouth' obviously wilt wasn't use to being hit, use to intensity of a boxing match and i believe the whole situation would be a little overwhelming for him.... No previous experience whatsoever and he was going to get thrown in with Ali? nuts. Having athletic ability is one thing... having the skillset to facilitate it is totally different.

LondonRingRules
08-06-2006, 04:02 AM
And I don't agree that Wilt is the superior athlete. Wasn't Ali voted athlete of the century? BTW, I'm not saying this thread is pointless, I'm saying suggesting Wilt could win is absurd.
** Athlete of the century? That beauty contest went to Michael Jordan who proved he wasn't a good enough athlete to compete as a pro in baseball and golf, 2 sports he'd die and give up all his NBA titles for.

I'm not suggesting that Wilt would win, but rather stating that D'amato thought Wilt could win with the right training and gameplan. Just the facts, plainly stated.

hellfire508
08-06-2006, 05:30 AM
** Athlete of the century? That beauty contest went to Michael Jordan who proved he wasn't a good enough athlete to compete as a pro in baseball and golf, 2 sports he'd die and give up all his NBA titles for.

I'm not suggesting that Wilt would win, but rather stating that D'amato thought Wilt could win with the right training and gameplan. Just the facts, plainly stated.

Oh, well I thought it went to Ali.

OK, I still dont think he could win.

Kid Achilles
08-06-2006, 10:03 AM
Wilt is in totally over his head here. He would get blown apart by Williams, Quarry, Chuvalo, and yes even a guy like Brian London without the same background as these guys. You wouldn't put some genius straight out of the trailer park with a 180 IQ in with a bunch of rocket scientests and expect him to do comparable work would you? I don't care a person's raw potential, without the background and experience so neccesary in a sport like boxing, he will get killed. Now give Wilt 4 years of training and professional experience and we're talking a COMPLETELY different fight. 6-8 month is just not enough time to give him any chance at all.

I wouldn't even give him a puncher's chance because there's no guarantee the guy can even punch. We just don't know enough about Wilt Chamberlain the fighter to give him any hope of succeeding in this mountainous task of dethroning one of the all time heavyweight greats.

SABBATH
08-07-2006, 12:43 PM
The fact that D'amato was willing to train him speaks volumes It sure does. It proves D'Amato believed in the old adage "there's a sucker born every minute." D'Amato wanted to boost his own ego by drawing attention to himself by training Chamberlain while cashing in on the gullible buying public who were actually interested in this freak show novelty fight.

Just think of the possibilities that lay before Cus the Guru...

George Foreman vs Joe Namath

Joe Frazier vs Jack Nicklaus

Sonny Liston vs Mickey Mantle

Dempsey 1919
09-18-2006, 01:35 PM
Ali would have his hands full early as this was no Cleveland Williams or Brian London.

He was worse! Williams and London themselves would flatten Chamberlain in one round. :rolleyes:

Abe Attell
09-18-2006, 07:38 PM
** Athlete of the century? That beauty contest went to Michael Jordan who proved he wasn't a good enough athlete to compete as a pro in baseball and golf, 2 sports he'd die and give up all his NBA titles for.

I'm not suggesting that Wilt would win, but rather stating that D'amato thought Wilt could win with the right training and gameplan. Just the facts, plainly stated.


GOLF :rolleyes:

I have enough problems with people in the media saying Tiger Woods is on the same level or better than Babe Ruth, Ali, Jordan, etc. I was Ok with them saying he is the "Ruth" of his sport, but when they started to say he could be possibly the best and most dominate athlete of all time, WTF.

I don't have anything against golf when it comes to how hard it is as a game, but I will do what most people do, wait till I am retired, 65, and want to get away from the wife.

Cutthroat
09-20-2006, 07:53 PM
Ali would beat Chamberlain (SP?), Wilt was very strong though.

La_Vibora
09-21-2006, 01:23 AM
Wilt was perhaps the greatest physcial specimen in the history of sports imo. He would have been great in any sport he chose I think, he had speed, power, strength, quickness,etc you name it. However with that said, Ali was the trained Heavyweight champion of the world, Wilt was a basketball player, saying Wilt could beat Ali in a fight is as ridiculous as saying Ali could beat him in basketball.

Southpaw16
09-24-2006, 05:03 PM
** Luckily, nobody wants you to pose for anything.

Wilt was more than a Jordan. He was an all-state HS track star, competing in high jump, 400M, and shotput, not a fatboy Shaq. Cus D'amato took Wilt under his tutelage and trained him for the fight. Cus wouldn't have wasted his time if Wilt had no talent. Cus said he was not training Wilt to be a boxer, but to beat one man in the ring with size, strength, reach, and a set up.

Shame the fight never came off. Different versions of why, but basically Wilt said it boiled down to money and a shaky contract. It would have been great spectacle, and guaranteed Wilt is strong enough and coordinated enough to KO anyone if he connected. Ali would have his hands full early as this was no Cleveland Williams or Brian London.

I would pick both Cleveland Williams and Brian London to beat Wilt Chamberlain with relative ease, if Wilt had only trained for a few months.

Southpaw16
09-24-2006, 05:10 PM
Oh, and one more thing. That article has no quotes from either athlete or from Bob Arum, no reference to any actual contract document that was seen by anybody, so I am a bit skeptical about that article. If it was true why wouldn't they at least try to get Bob Arum to confirm it? I don't know how much truth there is to this.