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THE REAL NINJA
07-15-2006, 08:28 AM
The so called "pound for pound" title was made in honer of Sugar Ray Robinson because at his best it was thought that he could have only been beaten by a much larger man, yet if that larger man were the same size even with the same skills they had Ray would have most certainly came out victorius . So I thought I would try to place together a lineage of the so called pound for pound champions.
# 1 . Ray Robinson ...as said the title was made for him.
#2. I'm kinda lost as to who would have held it right after Ray but for now i'll give it to Ali
#3 Ray Leonard ...
#4 Roberto Duran
#5 Ray Leonard ...he wins the title back with his Duran rematch
# 6 ..Marvin Hagler ...with Leonard out of action Hagler takes it with wins over Hearns and Duran
#7 Julio Cesar Chavez ..yes SRL won the fight with Hagler but he was not at the top by that time. A young Chavez has began to take over
#8 Pernell Witaker ....With a close "loss" to JC he has shown that he is the best around
#9 James Toney ... With the skills he has shown against seasoned pros he is the new kid on the block
#10..Roy Jones ..With his wins over James Toney, Thomas Tate and Bernard Hopkins he looks unbeatable for years to come.
#11 ..Oscar Da La Hoya...Wi n after win over big names he takes the title around the time of his Whitaker fight
#12 Felix Trinidad .. Wins over DLH, Reid,and Vargas put him on top of the mountain
around this era, Roy Jones has become Undisputed LH champ , Hopkins has beat Tito and Mosley has beat DLH the p4p title is up for grabs
Flash forward ...Jones, Mosley,Trinidad,DLH have all fell off ...#14 Hopkins is the most dominate middleweight champion in years
#15. Floyd Maywether ...undefeated all the skills in the world ..he has taken the title by default as to looking more unstoppable, and with Hopkins loss to Taylor solidifies his claim.

Yaman
07-15-2006, 10:55 AM
Sugar Ray was not unbeatable. He lost just like everybody else.

And Roy Jones JR is #1.

Southpaw Stinger
07-15-2006, 11:07 AM
Sugar Ray was not unbeatable. He lost just like everybody else.

And Roy Jones JR is #1.

ray Robinson was truely great, out of 200 fights he won 173 of them. I think he had a 75 fight winning streak where as Jones JR hasn't had 75 fights! Robinson was master of more than 1 weight division and and displayed a kind of skill not often seen.

Ray Robinson is the p4p king.

micky_knox
07-15-2006, 02:19 PM
ray Robinson was truely great, out of 200 fights he won 173 of them. I think he had a 75 fight winning streak where as Jones JR hasn't had 75 fights! Robinson was master of more than 1 weight division and and displayed a kind of skill not often seen.

Ray Robinson is the p4p king.
sugar ray was the greatest boxer of all time..........no contest :boxing:

Yaman
07-15-2006, 02:31 PM
Not for me. He is the most complete fighter ever, but P4P i gotta give it to Roy Jones.

Southpaw Stinger
07-15-2006, 02:47 PM
sugar ray was the greatest boxer of all time..........no contest

Agreed. p4p sugar ray is king of the ring.

micky_knox
07-15-2006, 02:48 PM
Not for me. He is the most complete fighter ever, but P4P i gotta give it to Roy Jones.
well thats a good argument there...........i dont want to get into it though.

jones was amazing

cple
07-15-2006, 02:48 PM
Similar phrases have been said to describe Benny Leonard and Harry Greb. It wasn't "pound for pound" but very close, something to the extent of "greatest fighter of any poundage." They should be placed before Ray Robinson...chronologically of course.

After Robinson, there were a slue of fighters that could've claimed the title "best p4p": Eder Jofre, Carlos Monzon, Ali.

cple
07-15-2006, 02:49 PM
Yaman, are you saying Roy Jones is the greatest fighter of all-time p4p?

Yaman
07-15-2006, 03:02 PM
Yaman, are you saying Roy Jones is the greatest fighter of all-time p4p?

Thats my opinion, yes. I know people are gonna disagree, thats why im not gonna shove it down their throat :o

Im not taking credit away from SRR. He is a true legend ofcource.

Southpaw Stinger
07-15-2006, 03:05 PM
Thats my opinion, yes. I know people are gonna disagree, thats why im not gonna shove it down their throat

.... don't worry, I'm not gonna say anything. lol

hellfire508
07-16-2006, 08:53 AM
Wow, Roy Jones Jr as P4P number 1? That's a big call. But you are entitled to say that. I hope you are not incorporating accomplishments though?

cple
07-16-2006, 02:07 PM
Wow, Ray Robinson as P4P number 1? That's a big call. But you are entitled to say that. I hope you are not incorporating accomplishments though?

...because Ray Robinson didn't accomplish much? No matter what the criteria, Ray Robinson is, or should always be, in consideration for #1.

hellfire508
07-16-2006, 10:12 PM
...because Ray Robinson didn't accomplish much? No matter what the criteria, Ray Robinson is, or should always be, in consideration for #1.

Sorry. I realised what I said. I was supposed to say Roy Jones at number 1. My mistake. I have Robinson at number 1.

THE REAL NINJA
07-27-2007, 07:09 PM
Sugar Ray was not unbeatable. He lost just like everybody else.
What was the point of this? No one ever said he was .
And Roy Jones JR is #1.

Wow, Roy Jones Jr as P4P number 1? That's a big call. But you are entitled to say that. I hope you are not incorporating accomplishments though?

This is a list of the order in which fighters have been named p4p at in boxing mags and by fans ect, it is not a list of who I think was better .

wmute
07-27-2007, 08:20 PM
Were Oscar and Tito p4p while Roy was unbeaten and dominating?

that sounds really weird

THE REAL NINJA
07-27-2007, 08:39 PM
Were Oscar and Tito p4p while Roy was unbeaten and dominating?

that sounds really weird

Oscar took over during Roy's last years as a super middleweight
He was fighting lesser compatition and Oscar was fighting Whitaker ect.

Trinidad held it for a short time in some boxing mags after he beat Oscar,Reid,Vargas and Joppy.

Yaman
07-28-2007, 05:54 AM
Old thread, i remember this one. What i should have said back then was, ability and not accomplishments. I still think Roy Jones JR would have been the most succesfull going up weight classes than anyone else, and one of the most gifted fighters ever. But he did not have the greatest career when it comes to accomplishments.

wmute
07-28-2007, 02:29 PM
Oscar took over during Roy's last years as a super middleweight
He was fighting lesser compatition and Oscar was fighting Whitaker ect.

Trinidad held it for a short time in some boxing mags after he beat Oscar,Reid,Vargas and Joppy.

Roy was at SMW for 2 years (basically late 94-late 96)

Oscar fought Whitaker in 97.

Was Oscar p4p #1 in ring magazine, or was he p4p #1 like PacMan today?

THE REAL NINJA
07-28-2007, 05:10 PM
Here is Ring Mags list


1989
Mike Tyson

1990 -92
Julio Cesar Chavez

1992-95
Pernell Whitaker

1996-98
Roy Jones, Jr.

1998
Oscar De La Hoya

1999
Roy Jones, jr.

2000-01
Shane Mosley

2002
Bernard Hopkins

2003
Roy Jones, Jr.

2004
Bernard Hopkins

2005-
Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings



My point is that some of these years it was back and forth this just shows who ended up winning at the end of the year but someone else could have been the p4p champ at other times during each year.

wmute
07-28-2007, 06:31 PM
Here is Ring Mags list


1989
Mike Tyson

1990 -92
Julio Cesar Chavez

1992-95
Pernell Whitaker

1996-98
Roy Jones, Jr.

1998
Oscar De La Hoya

1999
Roy Jones, jr.

2000-01
Shane Mosley

2002
Bernard Hopkins

2003
Roy Jones, Jr.

2004
Bernard Hopkins

2005-
Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings



My point is that some of these years it was back and forth this just shows who ended up winning at the end of the year but someone else could have been the p4p champ at other times during each year.

thank you! i did not get much of ring mag back home, i had no clue about oscar-tito-shane wrecking the rankings like that. seems like the longest reigns are roy and floyd...

Jim_Davis
07-28-2007, 06:41 PM
I mean Hamed was even being considered as p4p #1 in the world BEFORE the Kelly fight

THE REAL NINJA
07-28-2007, 07:11 PM
thank you! i did not get much of ring mag back home, i had no clue about oscar-tito-shane wrecking the rankings like that. seems like the longest reigns are roy and floyd...
I'm pretty sure that KO mag had Oscar as p4p champ a lot longer . I'll see if I can find their list.
I mean Hamed was even being considered as p4p #1 in the world BEFORE the Kelly fight

Yeah he was something like 4th most of the time.

THE REAL NINJA
07-28-2007, 07:18 PM
KO mag


January 1980
Roberto Duran

January 1981
Thomas Hearns

1982-1990
??????? must have been Ray Leonard & Hagler

December 1990
Julio Cesar Chavez

1991-1993
?????????

December 1994
Pernell Whitaker

December 1995
Roy Jones Jr

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/KO_Magazine

Yogi
07-28-2007, 08:19 PM
KO mag


January 1980
Roberto Duran

January 1981
Thomas Hearns

1982-1990
??????? must have been Ray Leonard & Hagler

December 1990
Julio Cesar Chavez

1991-1993
?????????

December 1994
Pernell Whitaker

December 1995
Roy Jones Jr

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/KO_Magazine

Here you go, Darren, and this would be based on KO's annual poll (later picked up by The Ring) of the best fighters in the sport;

1980: Roberto Duran
1981: Thomas Hearns
1982: Ray Leonard
1983: Marvin Hagler
1984: Marvin Hagler
1985: Marvin Hagler
1986: Marvin Hagler
1987: (no poll)
1988: Mike Tyson
1989: Mike Tyson
1990: Julio Cesar Chavez
1991: Julio Cesar Chavez
1992: Julio Cesar Chavez
1993: Pernell Whitaker
1994: Pernell Whitaker
1995: Roy Jones Jr.
1996: Roy Jones Jr.
1997: Oscar De La Hoya
1998: Roy Jones Jr.
1999: Roy Jones Jr.
2000: Felix Trinidad
2001: Shane Mosley
2002: Roy Jones Jr.


That was taken from the May 2003 issue of The Ring, so unfortunately I don't have the last few years and that's as far as I can go with that.

THE REAL NINJA
07-28-2007, 10:08 PM
Here you go, Darren, and this would be based on KO's annual poll (later picked up by The Ring) of the best fighters in the sport;

1980: Roberto Duran
1981: Thomas Hearns
1982: Ray Leonard
1983: Marvin Hagler
1984: Marvin Hagler
1985: Marvin Hagler
1986: Marvin Hagler
1987: (no poll)
1988: Mike Tyson
1989: Mike Tyson
1990: Julio Cesar Chavez
1991: Julio Cesar Chavez
1992: Julio Cesar Chavez
1993: Pernell Whitaker
1994: Pernell Whitaker
1995: Roy Jones Jr.
1996: Roy Jones Jr.
1997: Oscar De La Hoya
1998: Roy Jones Jr.
1999: Roy Jones Jr.
2000: Felix Trinidad
2001: Shane Mosley
2002: Roy Jones Jr.


That was taken from the May 2003 issue of The Ring, so unfortunately I don't have the last few years and that's as far as I can go with that.

Cool thanks it's pretty easy form there lol.
I wish there were p4p list in the 20's or even just before the Robinson era.

wmute
07-29-2007, 02:35 AM
Here you go, Darren, and this would be based on KO's annual poll (later picked up by The Ring) of the best fighters in the sport;

1980: Roberto Duran
1981: Thomas Hearns
1982: Ray Leonard
1983: Marvin Hagler
1984: Marvin Hagler
1985: Marvin Hagler
1986: Marvin Hagler
1987: (no poll)
1988: Mike Tyson
1989: Mike Tyson
1990: Julio Cesar Chavez
1991: Julio Cesar Chavez
1992: Julio Cesar Chavez
1993: Pernell Whitaker
1994: Pernell Whitaker
1995: Roy Jones Jr.
1996: Roy Jones Jr.
1997: Oscar De La Hoya
1998: Roy Jones Jr.
1999: Roy Jones Jr.
2000: Felix Trinidad
2001: Shane Mosley
2002: Roy Jones Jr.


That was taken from the May 2003 issue of The Ring, so unfortunately I don't have the last few years and that's as far as I can go with that.

hehe checking out a couple of years it seems like these polls were taken midway through the year, is that right Yogi?