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The Noose
07-09-2006, 02:51 PM
After watching Ali Frazier 1 (which is a sticky in this forum), i was amazed at how Ali was able to take Frazier's huge left hooks all night.

Yes he eventually went down in the last round, but i honestly dont believe many other heavyweights could have taken that, and survived.

Basically, i think it shows that the Henry Cooper knockdown early on in Ali's career, is almost irrelevant wen discussing Ali's ability to take a punch.

Ali had an amazing and very underrated chin.

And even if a Joe Louis or Marciano were able to catch Ali with their shots, i dont think it would mean the end.
Ali's punch resistance and toughness is often overlooked IMO.

Smokin'
07-09-2006, 02:56 PM
I've never heard about his chin being overlooked. Never.

The Noose
07-09-2006, 11:51 PM
My point was, many people use the fact that Ali was knocked down and almost out by Cooper, to suggest that he would have been KO'd by Louis.

Yet he took so many of Fraziers best left hooks and stood up.

For me, after watching that fight, the chances of Louis 'catching up' with Ali are very slim.

Were Fraziers punches anywhere near that quality of Louis or Marciano?

Dempsey 1919
07-10-2006, 02:19 AM
My point was, many people use the fact that Ali was knocked down and almost out by Cooper, to suggest that he would have been KO'd by Louis.

Yet he took so many of Fraziers best left hooks and stood up.

For me, after watching that fight, the chances of Louis 'catching up' with Ali are very slim.

Were Fraziers punches anywhere near that quality of Louis or Marciano?

Maybe louis' punches were better, but not marciano's.

Verstyle
07-10-2006, 03:11 AM
Maybe louis' punches were better, but not marciano's.


shut up butterfly :cool: :boxing:

Dempsey 1919
07-10-2006, 03:17 AM
shut up butterfly :cool: :boxing:

How come tyson's not in the finals, eh versatile? :D

Verstyle
07-10-2006, 03:25 AM
How come tyson's not in the finals, eh versatile? :D


in the finals?

Dempsey 1919
07-10-2006, 03:38 AM
in the finals?

Yeah, in my playoff boxing thread?

Verstyle
07-10-2006, 03:40 AM
Yeah, in my playoff boxing thread?


oh. i've been in there 1 time

Southpaw Stinger
07-10-2006, 09:06 AM
How come tyson's not in the finals, eh versatile?

Because you're writing it....

The Noose
07-10-2006, 09:41 AM
Anyone else think Frazier hit harder than Marciano?

RockyMarcianofan00
07-10-2006, 09:55 AM
Anyone else think Frazier hit harder than Marciano?
IMO Frazier's left hook very well may have been harder but when it comes to punching Power in either hand Marciano wins...

I'd say Marciano's right straight is about the same as Joe Frazier's left hook in terms of power....

Overall I'd say Marciano hit harder because he had KO power in either hand whereas Frazier had a good left and right but his true power lied in his left hook...but Marciano's left hook was devastating as well...Up there with Fraziers and Dempsey's but I wouldn't say his Left hook is as key as his right straight...but thats up for debate because both of these punches were some of Marciano's most devasting punches...

Ex of the power-

It was Marciano's left hook who Knocked a prime Walcott out cold...Now Walcott doesn't have as high regarded chin as Ali but it was by no means porcealin either...(though punch looks more in the temple area)

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/rm.jpg

But it was his right straight KO'd Joe Louis...Now Joe Louis was a shell of his former self but his chin was still there, he could still take as good a punch as ever..Marciano admitted that he was holding back drastically in this fight (though he modestly said thats not why it went into later rounds)...Rocky was very modest whereas he did hold back because of his respect for Louis he would never say thats why it took him so long....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/0/06/Rockyjoe.gif/180px-Rockyjoe.gif

Yaman
07-10-2006, 10:03 AM
Anyone else think Frazier hit harder than Marciano?

Nice way to hype up Ali's chin, but no way.

Frazier doesn't even have the hardest left hook of all time imo. David Tua had a harder left hook, Tommy Morisson had a harder left hook. Maybe Tyson, Ruddock, Liston etc are all in the same league.

RockyMarcianofan00
07-10-2006, 10:05 AM
At the same time Joe Frazier was an extremely hard punch and his left hook was just as devastating (and possibely more) then Marciano's....

I mean look-
http://www.geocities.com/retratoali/ring1/frazier17.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/retratoali/ring1/frazier15.jpg

http://www.float-like-a-butterfly.de/alifra7.jpg

In conclusion I repeat that I feel Marciano beats Frazier in flat out punching power...The only punch Frazier really beats Marciano in is the Left Hook....Frazier was a hard hitter but his left hook is the killer punch...

K-DOGG
07-10-2006, 01:02 PM
After watching Ali Frazier 1 (which is a sticky in this forum), i was amazed at how Ali was able to take Frazier's huge left hooks all night.

Yes he eventually went down in the last round, but i honestly dont believe many other heavyweights could have taken that, and survived.

Basically, i think it shows that the Henry Cooper knockdown early on in Ali's career, is almost irrelevant wen discussing Ali's ability to take a punch.

Ali had an amazing and very underrated chin.

And even if a Joe Louis or Marciano were able to catch Ali with their shots, i dont think it would mean the end.
Ali's punch resistance and toughness is often overlooked IMO.

Very true; and I would like to add two more words to this synopsis: Earnie Shavers.

Anyone who has ever seen the Shavers fight in '77 and knows 1. how hard Earnie could wallop and 2. how Ali's reflexes had slowed by that point....have no choice but to acknowledge that Ali had one of the best chins of all time. He took a pounding in that fight and was nearly kayoed in round 2...and hurt on countless other occassions; but still found the resolve to come on strong in the final minute of the 15th round and nearly stopped Shavers. Un-be-lieve-able.

Kid Achilles
07-10-2006, 01:48 PM
Who, besides Tommyhearns804 or whatever it was, doubted Ali's chin? Most posters on this site regard it as one of the greatest chins in heavyweight history. I wouldn't say it is underrated at all.

Southpaw Stinger
07-10-2006, 01:48 PM
Very true; and I would like to add two more words to this synopsis: Earnie Shavers.

Anyone who has ever seen the Shavers fight in '77 and knows 1. how hard Earnie could wallop and 2. how Ali's reflexes had slowed by that point....have no choice but to acknowledge that Ali had one of the best chins of all time. He took a pounding in that fight and was nearly kayoed in round 2...and hurt on countless other occassions; but still found the resolve to come on strong in the final minute of the 15th round and nearly stopped Shavers. Un-be-lieve-able.

Definatly, Ali took a huge beating from Earnie Shavers. I'm amazed he stayed on his feet especially after he was rocked by a Shavers right.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/1998/holyfield/garden/images/77cover.jpg

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/1998/holyfield/garden/images/77pic.jpg


One of the greatest chins of all time.

The Noose
07-10-2006, 03:40 PM
Nice way to hype up Ali's chin, but no way.

Frazier doesn't even have the hardest left hook of all time imo. David Tua had a harder left hook, Tommy Morisson had a harder left hook. Maybe Tyson, Ruddock, Liston etc are all in the same league.
lol, i wasnt trying to 'hype up Ali's chin'.

:rolleyes:

Just asked a question.

And wtf does ur sig mean? About Tysons height..."and thats wat matters"???

Also, showing pics of Frazier doesnt illustrate any ****in thing.

sleazyfellow
07-10-2006, 05:04 PM
lol, i wasnt trying to 'hype up Ali's chin'.

:rolleyes:

Just asked a question.

And wtf does ur sig mean? About Tysons height..."and thats wat matters"???

Also, showing pics of Frazier doesnt illustrate any ****in thing.

lol it shows ali could take his punches, but norton is a diffrent story, he broke alis IRON jaw OH NOES!

Hard Boiled HK
07-10-2006, 09:48 PM
But at the end of all this arguement, George Foreman punches harder than Fraizer, Marciano, and Louis.

The Noose
07-10-2006, 09:58 PM
lol it shows ali could take his punches, but norton is a diffrent story, he broke alis IRON jaw OH NOES!

Frazier knocked down Ali, Norton didnt.

I think Ali maybe had an easier time with Norton.
I think??

Dempsey 1919
07-11-2006, 01:06 AM
lol it shows ali could take his punches, but norton is a diffrent story, he broke alis IRON jaw OH NOES!

Anybody with his or her mouth open can get their jaw broken. :rolleyes:

rustyco23
07-11-2006, 01:35 AM
Is it true that during Ali-Norton I the blood coming out of Ali's mouth was black? (probably due to his jaw being broken)

Dempsey 1919
07-11-2006, 01:50 AM
Is it true that during Ali-Norton I the blood coming out of Ali's mouth was black? (probably due to his jaw being broken)

I don't know, but I know that his gums were bleeding.

RockyMarcianofan00
07-11-2006, 02:29 AM
I don't know, but I know that his gums were bleeding.
You can have a chin made of Iron if your mouth is open and you get hit on the chin (90% of the time) your jaw will be broken...

Southpaw Stinger
07-11-2006, 07:59 AM
But at the end of all this arguement, George Foreman punches harder than Fraizer, Marciano, and Louis.

That goes without saying.

Hard Boiled HK
07-11-2006, 07:57 PM
That goes without saying.

Yeah, but some die hard fans will not acknowledge that or will ignore it.

Southpaw Stinger
07-11-2006, 09:35 PM
Yeah, but some die hard fans will not acknowledge that or will ignore it

Very true, happens a lot.

Hard Boiled HK
07-12-2006, 12:20 AM
Is it true that during Ali-Norton I the blood coming out of Ali's mouth was black? (probably due to his jaw being broken)

Ali was able to move his jaw with his tounge at the end of Round 2 of the fight.

SABBATH
07-12-2006, 03:07 PM
Very true; and I would like to add two more words to this synopsis: Earnie Shavers.

Anyone who has ever seen the Shavers fight in '77 and knows 1. how hard Earnie could wallop and 2. how Ali's reflexes had slowed by that point....have no choice but to acknowledge that Ali had one of the best chins of all time. He took a pounding in that fight and was nearly kayoed in round 2...and hurt on countless other occassions; but still found the resolve to come on strong in the final minute of the 15th round and nearly stopped Shavers. Un-be-lieve-able.Here's the 2nd round. Ali got rocked but showed excellent recuperative powers getting hit with some pretty good right hands afterwards and not wobbling...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRQmRaMA0b0&search=earnie%20shavers

hemichromis
07-14-2006, 02:31 PM
ali has one of the best chins, watch shavers vs ali for proof

hellfire508
07-15-2006, 08:43 AM
I've never heard about his chin being overlooked. Never.

Either have I. Most people rate Ali's chin, heart and recuperative powers up there at the top.

hemichromis
07-16-2006, 06:36 AM
But at the end of all this arguement, George Foreman punches harder than Fraizer, Marciano, and Louis.
and shavers harder than him!

Southpaw Stinger
07-16-2006, 07:59 AM
and shavers harder than him!

And Ali beat shavers as well.

The Noose
07-16-2006, 09:12 AM
Ive heard many times people raising the Henry Cooper fight wen discussing Ali's chin.