Here's my UFC P4P list.

1. Matt Hughes- Overly dominant. Fights top class opponents except for the weaker, smaller fighters from the other side of the world.

2. Tito Ortiz- A lot like Matt. Strong and well conditioned. Should work on boxing footwork. Great opponent for Matt. The loss to Chuck is lingering still. Why fight Ken? He has no crown.

3. Rashad Evans- Gets better with each fight. Bullied S Bonnar. This guy is a force to be reckoned with. Match well against Tito after a few more fights.

4. Rich Franklin- Killer fast heavy hands. Rashad has great hands too. That would be a good match but weight is a factor.

5. Chuck Liddel- Numerous knockout wins overshadows the assbeating from Rampage. Chuck still dangerous.

What is your UFC P4P list?

Here's my UFC P4P list.

1. Matt Hughes- Overly dominant. Fights top class opponents except for the weaker, smaller fighters from the other side of the world.

2. Tito Ortiz- A lot like Matt. Strong and well conditioned. Should work on boxing footwork. Great opponent for Matt. The loss to Chuck is lingering still. Why fight Ken? He has no crown.

3. Rashad Evans- Gets better with each fight. Bullied S Bonnar. This guy is a force to be reckoned with. Match well against Tito after a few more fights.

4. Rich Franklin- Killer fast heavy hands. Rashad has great hands too. That would be a good match but weight is a factor.

5. Chuck Liddel- Numerous knockout wins overshadows the assbeating from Rampage. Chuck still dangerous.

What is your UFC P4P list?


Here is my P4P list not in order...

Renato Sobral
Chuck Lidell
Matt Hughes
Tito Ortiz
George St. Pierre

in no order, my top 5 is

Chuck Liddell
Andrei arlovski
Tito ortiz
GSP
Matt Hughes

since Shamrock is not on any of our UFC p4p.....i assume we all agree that Tito vs Ken is a mismatch


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Here's my UFC P4P list.

1. Matt Hughes- Overly dominant. Fights top class opponents except for the weaker, smaller fighters from the other side of the world.

2. Tito Ortiz- A lot like Matt. Strong and well conditioned. Should work on boxing footwork. Great opponent for Matt. The loss to Chuck is lingering still. Why fight Ken? He has no crown.

3. Rashad Evans- Gets better with each fight. Bullied S Bonnar. This guy is a force to be reckoned with. Match well against Tito after a few more fights.

4. Rich Franklin- Killer fast heavy hands. Rashad has great hands too. That would be a good match but weight is a factor.

5. Chuck Liddel- Numerous knockout wins overshadows the assbeating from Rampage. Chuck still dangerous.

What is your UFC P4P list?


I have to really disagree. Rashad Evans doesn't belong on any P4P list anywhere. Can't finish a fight at all. Rich Franklin is WAY more dominant in his division than Matt Hughes is. Don't forget Hughes lost to Penn and was losing to St. Pierre. Ortiz lost badly against Liddell, so how can he possibly be higher than him, especially when he hasn't improved since then at all. Sorry but your list is totally off base.

I have to really disagree. Rashad Evans doesn't belong on any P4P list anywhere. Can't finish a fight at all. Rich Franklin is WAY more dominant in his division than Matt Hughes is. Don't forget Hughes lost to Penn and was losing to St. Pierre. Ortiz lost badly against Liddell, so how can he possibly be higher than him, especially when he hasn't improved since then at all. Sorry but your list is totally off base.

your opinion is well respected
i will give a more detailed explanation of my p4p list after a well deserved nap

p.s. can anyone recall Rashad ever getting knocked down or taken down?

your opinion is well respected
i will give a more detailed explanation of my p4p list after a well deserved nap

p.s. can anyone recall Rashad ever getting knocked down or taken down?

I would like to hear that detailed explanation. :)

all right guys, heres the real top 5


In this order


1. Chuck liddel- wins over couture, randelmen, ortiz, belfort, sabral. This man is the top of the food chain

2. Rich Franklin- the gift that keeps on giving, lets not forget that this guy just started learning a few years ago off of home videos. Best cardio in the game

3. Matt hughes- physically the overall strongest man in mma at his weight, only thing bad about him is he is susptable to chokes .

4. Andre Arlovski- Best heavyweight on earth with the exception of fedor. Yes even after being KO by silvia.

5. GSP- with the exception of his pussy tapout to hughes, there really isnt anything bad about his fight game. Constant pressure from all angles.


if you want to question my picks just say so guys. But my is a close to being right as there is.

I know this is a P4P list but I've already listed mine above. I will however make a prediction that in UFC62 Renato Sobral will dethrone Chuck Liddel.

I'm also predicting that Anderson Silva with his quick 49 second destruction of Iron head Chris Leben will also dethrone Rich Franklin should they ever fight.

Rasta...great list. I guess you think Arlovski will submit Tim Sylvia next week ? I'm hoping he does but Sylvia is just a big animal man. I hope ANdrei wins though, I personally think Sylvia is a big dunce.

Here's my UFC P4P list.

1. Matt Hughes- His total dominance of the legendary Gracie puts him at the top of the food chain.

2. Tito Ortiz- Has fought the some of the best out there and has the abilities to beat the number one guy regardless of the 4 loss record.

3. Rashad Evans- One of the FEW UNDEFEATED ultimate fighters left.

4. Rich Franklin- He's ducking the top dogs.

5. Chuck Liddel- at number 5 instead of 1 or 2 beacause of Rampage. He was clobbered!

Has Rashad Evans ever been knocked down or taken down convincingly? My answer is still no. This guy will not go down.

all right guys, heres the real top 5


In this order


1. Chuck liddel- wins over couture, randelmen, ortiz, belfort, sabral. This man is the top of the food chain

2. Rich Franklin- the gift that keeps on giving, lets not forget that this guy just started learning a few years ago off of home videos. Best cardio in the game

3. Matt hughes- physically the overall strongest man in mma at his weight, only thing bad about him is he is susptable to chokes .

4. Andre Arlovski- Best heavyweight on earth with the exception of fedor. Yes even after being KO by silvia.

5. GSP- with the exception of his pussy tapout to hughes, there really isnt anything bad about his fight game. Constant pressure from all angles.


if you want to question my picks just say so guys. But my is a close to being right as there is.

Thats perfect right there.

Thats perfect right there.


hey i started this thread so my list is perfect :eek: :confused: :p

UFC top 6:

Matt Hughes
Babalu Sobral
George St. Pierre
Andrei Arlovski
Chuck Liddell
Rich Franklin

I'm a big fan of Rashad Evans, but I believe he belongs to the "butterfly" genre (reference to The Simpsons :) ). He has a lot of talent, and he deserves much credit for the way he dominated the Bonnar fight. Stephen, an expert in jiu-jitsu (sp?), had no answers for his takedowns. Rashad does have explosive power behind his punches as I remember him flooring Brad Imes and landing a stiff jab that sent Keith Jardine to the ground. A win is a win, and Rashad Evans has been doing exactly that.

Another fighter in the UFC that I believe people should be aware is Brandon Vera. He has been taking out his opponents, and his opponents are no push-overs (Justin Eilers, Ausserio Silva). According to Sherdog, the undefeated fighter has only seen one decision. The rest of his bouts are stopped.

Another fighter in the UFC that I believe people should be aware is Brandon Vera. He has been taking out his opponents, and his opponents are no push-overs (Justin Eilers, Ausserio Silva). According to Sherdog, the undefeated fighter has only seen one decision. The rest of his bouts are stopped.

vera is really good. reps

is anyone watching the UFC all access tonight on ****e?

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his opponents are no push-overs (Justin Eilers, Ausserio Silva).

I sorry but while I'm sure Justin Eilers can kick my ass, when it comes to professional-level fighting he is quite the push-over.

Well that's my opinion. His 11-5-1 record does give him some credibility. Nonetheless, Vera did knock him out in the first round.

Here's my UFC P4P list.

1. Matt Hughes- His total dominance of the legendary Gracie puts him at the top of the food chain.

2. Tito Ortiz- Has fought the some of the best out there and has the abilities to beat the number one guy regardless of the 4 loss record.

3. Rashad Evans- One of the FEW UNDEFEATED ultimate fighters left.

4. Rich Franklin- He's ducking the top dogs.

5. Chuck Liddel- at number 5 instead of 1 or 2 beacause of Rampage. He was clobbered!

Has Rashad Evans ever been knocked down or taken down convincingly? My answer is still no. This guy will not go down.


matt hughes beat an old gracie

tito doesnt even belong on the list. He could barely take forrest out

Rashad evans has only two fights in the UFC. I should hope he would still be undefeated, wouldnt be much of an ultimate fighter if he wasnt

Rich franklin doesnt have anyone else left that are top dogs

You find me a top guys in the division that is worthy of a shot. Find even one.

Last Name First Name Record (W-L-D) Height Weight
Abbadi Danny 2-1-0 5.9 185
Baroni Phil 6-5-0 5.7 184
Carter Shonie 66-13-7 5.7 185
Cote Patrick 6-3-0 5.9 185
Doerksen Joe 27-8-0 6 185
Fioravanti Luigi 8-1-0 5.6 185
Fitch Jon 12-2-0 6 185
Franklin Rich 22-1-0 6 185
Gassaway Brian 18-10-3 6 185
Gracie Royce 13-2-2 6 180
Grove Kendall 7-3-0 6.5 185
Hallman Dennis 57-11-2 5.7 185
Herman Ed 13-2-0 6.1 185
Horn Jeremy 87-14-6 6 185
Hutcherson Solomon 10-2-0 5.9 185
Larson Brock 12-1-0 5.7 185
Lawler Robbie 9-3-0 5.7 185
Leben Chris 14-1-0 5.9 185
Levens Justin 7-2-0 5.8 185
Loiseau David 15-5-0 6 184
Lutter Travis 7-2-0 5.9 185
Marquardt Nate 26-6-1 6 185
McCarthy Charles 7-2-0 6 185
Menne Dave 35-5-1 5.8 185
Murray Lee 9-1-1 6.2 185
Pointon Ross 4-7-0 5.6 185
Prangley Trevor 11-4-0 6 185
Quarry Nate 14-2-0 6 185
Ray Gideon 8-3-0 5.9 184
Riggs Joe 26-9-1 6 185
Rivera Jorge 12-5-0 6 185
Rockel Keith 10-4-1 6 185
Salaverry Ivan 11-3-1 6 185
Santiago Jorge 10-5-0 6 185
Sell Pete 6-1-0 5.9 185
Silva Anderson 15-4-0 6 185
Singer Rory 9-6-0 6.1 185
Smith Scott 11-2-0 6 185
Sonnen Chael 14-8-1 6 185
Starnes Kalib 8-1-1 6.2 185
Swick Mike 11-1-0 6 185
Tanner Evan 36-7-0 6 185
Terrell David 10-2-0 6 185
Torres Anthony 2-0-0 5.8 185
Vigneault Steve


And as for chuck liddell, you cant use the rampage fight against him. He went outside the company and country to fight. Not to mention he has wins over damn near every top fighter in the ufc.

matt hughes beat an old gracie

tito doesnt even belong on the list. He could barely take forrest out

Rashad evans has only two fights in the UFC. I should hope he would still be undefeated, wouldnt be much of an ultimate fighter if he wasnt

Rich franklin doesnt have anyone else left that are top dogs

You find me a top guys in the division that is worthy of a shot. Find even one.

Last Name First Name Record (W-L-D) Height Weight
Abbadi Danny 2-1-0 5.9 185
Baroni Phil 6-5-0 5.7 184
Carter Shonie 66-13-7 5.7 185
Cote Patrick 6-3-0 5.9 185
Doerksen Joe 27-8-0 6 185
Fioravanti Luigi 8-1-0 5.6 185
Fitch Jon 12-2-0 6 185
Franklin Rich 22-1-0 6 185
Gassaway Brian 18-10-3 6 185
Gracie Royce 13-2-2 6 180
Grove Kendall 7-3-0 6.5 185
Hallman Dennis 57-11-2 5.7 185
Herman Ed 13-2-0 6.1 185
Horn Jeremy 87-14-6 6 185
Hutcherson Solomon 10-2-0 5.9 185
Larson Brock 12-1-0 5.7 185
Lawler Robbie 9-3-0 5.7 185
Leben Chris 14-1-0 5.9 185
Levens Justin 7-2-0 5.8 185
Loiseau David 15-5-0 6 184
Lutter Travis 7-2-0 5.9 185
Marquardt Nate 26-6-1 6 185
McCarthy Charles 7-2-0 6 185
Menne Dave 35-5-1 5.8 185
Murray Lee 9-1-1 6.2 185
Pointon Ross 4-7-0 5.6 185
Prangley Trevor 11-4-0 6 185
Quarry Nate 14-2-0 6 185
Ray Gideon 8-3-0 5.9 184
Riggs Joe 26-9-1 6 185
Rivera Jorge 12-5-0 6 185
Rockel Keith 10-4-1 6 185
Salaverry Ivan 11-3-1 6 185
Santiago Jorge 10-5-0 6 185
Sell Pete 6-1-0 5.9 185
Silva Anderson 15-4-0 6 185
Singer Rory 9-6-0 6.1 185
Smith Scott 11-2-0 6 185
Sonnen Chael 14-8-1 6 185
Starnes Kalib 8-1-1 6.2 185
Swick Mike 11-1-0 6 185
Tanner Evan 36-7-0 6 185
Terrell David 10-2-0 6 185
Torres Anthony 2-0-0 5.8 185
Vigneault Steve


And as for chuck liddell, you cant use the rampage fight against him. He went outside the company and country to fight. Not to mention he has wins over damn near every top fighter in the ufc.

Point well taken but check this out. Rich Franklin is ducking his real weight division. He is a 6.1 middleweight.
Bisping 6.2 and 205 lbs
Evans 5.11 and 200 plus
Lidell 6.2 and 204 lbs
Ortiz 6.2 and 204 lbs
Randy 6.2 and 205 lbs.
Combs Wes 6.1 205
Dewees Edwin 6 205
Eilers Justin 6 235

Let's look at the middleweights:
Luigi Fioravanti Height: 5.8 Weight: 185 lbs
Fioravanti Luigi 5.6 185
Hutcherson Solomon 5.9 185
Larson Brock 5.7 185
Lawler Robbie 5.7 185
Leben Chris 5.9 185
Menne Dave 5.8 185

Bottom line- This guy is a bully. Tito, Rashad, and Griffin would be too much for him to handle.

Chuck didn't just lose to Rampage. He was destroyed. A fight is a fight and it goes on his MMA record. Universal fight fans count that. UFC fans might let it slide.

And Tito. He is fighting the top dogs win or lose and he is fighting in a tougher division where the knockouts are more popular. The fight with Griffin was a split but a win is a win. At least he is not starvin to fight the little guys.

Point well taken but check this out. Rich Franklin is ducking his real weight division. He is a 6.1 middleweight.
Bisping 6.2 and 205 lbs
Evans 5.11 and 200 plus
Lidell 6.2 and 204 lbs
Ortiz 6.2 and 204 lbs
Randy 6.2 and 205 lbs.
Combs Wes 6.1 205
Dewees Edwin 6 205
Eilers Justin 6 235

Let's look at the middleweights:
Luigi Fioravanti Height: 5.8 Weight: 185 lbs
Fioravanti Luigi 5.6 185
Hutcherson Solomon 5.9 185
Larson Brock 5.7 185
Lawler Robbie 5.7 185
Leben Chris 5.9 185
Menne Dave 5.8 185

Bottom line- This guy is a bully. Tito, Rashad, and Griffin would be too much for him to handle.

your height demo doesnt really do much for your cause. Kendell grove is 6'6. Does that mean he should be fighting heavyweights. I dont think so

Using youre formula all of these fighters are pussies that are afraid of the big boys. All are at least 6 foot tall.

And another thing that strikes me is that you would even bring up him fighting smaller guys. Ive been around fighting for a long time know, and i have hardly ever seen someone fight without having to cut weight. A guy that walks around at 205 rarely fights at 205. You almost always stay one weight class below your natural weight



Doerksen Joe
27-8-0 6' 185
Fitch Jon
12-2-0 - 6' 185
Franklin Rich
22-1-0 - 6' 185
Gassaway Brian
18-10-3 - 6' 185
Gracie Royce
13-2-2 - 6' 180
Grove Kendall
7-3-0 - 6.5 185
Herman Ed
13-2-0 - 6.1 185
Horn Jeremy
87-14-6 - 6' 185
Loiseau David
15-5-0 - 6' 184
Marquardt Nate
26-6-1 - 6' 185
McCarthy Charles
7-2-0 - 6' 185
Murray Lee
9-1-1 - 6.2 185
Prangley Trevor
11-4-0 - 6' 185
Quarry Nate
14-2-0 - 6' 185
Riggs Joe
26-9-1 - 6' 185
Rivera Jorge
12-5-0 - 6' 185
Rockel Keith
10-4-1 - 6' 185
Salaverry Ivan
11-3-1 - 6' 185
Santiago Jorge
10-5-0 - 6' 185
Silva Anderson
15-4-0 - 6' 185
Singer Rory
9-6-0 - 6.1 185
Smith Scott
11-2-0 - 6' 185
Sonnen Chael
14-8-1 - 6' 185
Starnes Kalib
8-1-1 - 6.2 185
Swick Mike
11-1-0 - 6' 185
Tanner Evan
36-7-0 - 6' 185
Terrell David
10-2-0 - 6' 185

Using youre formula all of these fighters are pussies that are afraid of the big boys. All are at least 6 foot tall.

And another thing that strikes me is that you would even bring up him fighting smaller guys. Ive been around fighting for a long time know, and i have hardly ever seen someone fight without having to cut weight. A guy that walks around at 205 rarely fights at 205. You almost always stay one weight class below your natural weight



Doerksen Joe
27-8-0 6' 185
Fitch Jon
12-2-0 - 6' 185
Franklin Rich
22-1-0 - 6' 185
Gassaway Brian
18-10-3 - 6' 185
Gracie Royce
13-2-2 - 6' 180
Grove Kendall
7-3-0 - 6.5 185
Herman Ed
13-2-0 - 6.1 185
Horn Jeremy
87-14-6 - 6' 185
Loiseau David
15-5-0 - 6' 184
Marquardt Nate
26-6-1 - 6' 185
McCarthy Charles
7-2-0 - 6' 185
Murray Lee
9-1-1 - 6.2 185
Prangley Trevor
11-4-0 - 6' 185
Quarry Nate
14-2-0 - 6' 185
Riggs Joe
26-9-1 - 6' 185
Rivera Jorge
12-5-0 - 6' 185
Rockel Keith
10-4-1 - 6' 185
Salaverry Ivan
11-3-1 - 6' 185
Santiago Jorge
10-5-0 - 6' 185
Silva Anderson
15-4-0 - 6' 185
Singer Rory
9-6-0 - 6.1 185
Smith Scott
11-2-0 - 6' 185
Sonnen Chael
14-8-1 - 6' 185
Starnes Kalib
8-1-1 - 6.2 185
Swick Mike
11-1-0 - 6' 185
Tanner Evan
36-7-0 - 6' 185
Terrell David
10-2-0 - 6' 185


my p4p list:


1. Rich Franklin-he ****s people up.and at a catch weight i think he can take hughes.
2.Matt Hughes-no exp needed
3.Tim Sylvia-he will go to the top with 2nd win over andrei
4.Chuck Liddell-reigning champ, knocks people out.
5.Forest Griffin-despite loss to tito i think he beats him in rematch.
6.my cock- it gets more pussy than tampax and packs a wallop. so deep put that ass to sleep

my p4p list:


1. Rich Franklin-he ****s people up.and at a catch weight i think he can take hughes.
2.Matt Hughes-no exp needed
3.Tim Sylvia-he will go to the top with 2nd win over andrei
4.Chuck Liddell-reigning champ, knocks people out.
5.Forest Griffin-despite loss to tito i think he beats him in rematch.
6.my cock- it gets more pussy than tampax and packs a wallop. so deep put that ass to sleep

If you honestly think that Tim Sylvia and Forrest Griffin are that good then you need to watch more fights. While Griffin is decent, he is more heart than skill (he himself says that all the time). And he would get beat badly against Tito (he was hurt in that fight, healthy it would have been 3 rounds just like the first round). I don't think Forrest is championship material at all. Last thing, St. Pierre should certainly be on anyone's list, especially over Sylvia and Griffin.

Rich Franklin (his a beast)

Matt Hughes (most dominate fighter rigth now)

Chuck Lidell (comes through, should figth Rampage again this timer in the octagon)

Arvolski... (good HW but will be replaced by Sylvia if he loses)

And finally ill say RASHEED EVANS (his the future fast, has power and is strong as ****)