View Full Version : Duran vs. Whitaker


JuicyJuice
06-28-2006, 08:40 PM
What happens?

Azteca
06-28-2006, 08:43 PM
duran by split decision.

oldgringo
06-29-2006, 08:06 AM
In a 12 rounder I see Whitaker taking the decision. In a 15 round affari it'd be very close either way...I'd lean towards Duran. Both scenarios would be extremely close though.

GTL
06-29-2006, 12:56 PM
sweet pea takes this one.. for sure

DaWayne
06-29-2006, 01:00 PM
Duran would be way to stong for Whitaker.

K-DOGG
06-29-2006, 01:33 PM
At Lightweight this is an extemely intriguing match-up. Duran is more vicious than anyone Pete ever faced; but Whittaker had a bit of a meanstreak as well. It took his reflexes slowing for anyone to see it; but it was always there. However, he would try to outbox Duran, until Roberto made it to the inside...and he would, eventually.

I can see Whitaker getting caught up in the macho thing like Leonard did in the first fight; but the way Pete's mean streak came out was by embarrassing his opponents with his superior skill. He loved to humiliate the other guy. He wouldn't stay inside with Duran the way Leonard did in the first fight because he didn't hit as hard as Ray. Leonard made the mistake of thinking he hit hard enough to hurt Duran...Pete would never think that way.

Duran would have the strength advantage and he'd use it to bully Whittaker to get him on the ropes or corner him which would encourage Whittaker to rough house back a little. For Duran to win, he'd have to get Pete to the ropes because even though Roberto was very quick for a lighweight, he wasn't as nimble of hand and foot as Whitaker....but he made up for it in tenaciousness.

This would be a very close fight between two very tough minded and tough individuals; but I give the edge to Duran.

Duran by SD.

RAESAAD
06-29-2006, 01:48 PM
This would have the potenial to frustrate Duran.It would be a fight from what I can tell from what I have seen of both men......Whitaker UD.

baya
06-29-2006, 01:49 PM
At Lightweight this is an extemely intriguing match-up. Duran is more vicious than anyone Pete ever faced; but Whittaker had a bit of a meanstreak as well. It took his reflexes slowing for anyone to see it; but it was always there. However, he would try to outbox Duran, until Roberto made it to the inside...and he would, eventually.

I can see Whitaker getting caught up in the macho thing like Leonard did in the first fight; but the way Pete's mean streak came out was by embarrassing his opponents with his superior skill. He loved to humiliate the other guy. He wouldn't stay inside with Duran the way Leonard did in the first fight because he didn't hit as hard as Ray. Leonard made the mistake of thinking he hit hard enough to hurt Duran...Pete would never think that way.

Duran would have the strength advantage and he'd use it to bully Whittaker to get him on the ropes or corner him which would encourage Whittaker to rough house back a little. For Duran to win, he'd have to get Pete to the ropes because even though Roberto was very quick for a lighweight, he wasn't as nimble of hand and foot as Whitaker....but he made up for it in tenaciousness.

This would be a very close fight between two very tough minded and tough individuals; but I give the edge to Duran.

Duran by SD.

most of your posts are very impressive.

Azteca
06-29-2006, 05:39 PM
k-dogg:
you are right this is an extremely intriguing matchup. on one hand you have a media legend - the panamanian devil. on the other hand, you have a guy the media absolutely despised.

assuming this matchup is at 135, for all its worth, i change my prediction and i think pernell beats him in a 12 rounder, duran beats him in 15. i hate to say it because duran is my all-time favorite fighter, but i think pernell may be too 'cute' for him.

to a large extent, pernell's greatness lied in his ability to see things in the present, as they were happening, and shaping and directing the direction of the action. he always knows where he was and where his opponent was and where they are going. i love the way he leads his opponent into positions where he was free to let his hands go. he knew when they are unable to counter or knew exactly what that counter would be and was ready for it. his jab - he threw it straight so that his entire body is behind it.

something many people forget about this matchup is that they are both equal in strength (IMO). duran, for all his primeval savagery was pernell's equal in terms of strength (IMO). they are both 5'6'' so we would most likely see a see-saw battle on the inside.

duran would be forced to turn pernell and fight him on the outside. pernell wins a close decision (12 rounds), and duran wins a close decision (15 rounds).

oldgringo
06-29-2006, 07:35 PM
Pernell definitely had the ability to move for 12 rounds on Duran...make no mistake about that. He had the strongest tree trunk legs I've seen on a guy that small. He also had the cute jab, that would have frustrated Duran quite a bit. Duran would score when Pernell got too full of himself, which happened in more of his bouts than it should have. I could see Duran possibly dropping Pernell too, but I cannot see him winning more rounds.

This is the fight I'd like to see most over any fight in history.

K-DOGG
06-30-2006, 01:27 PM
k-dogg:
you are right this is an extremely intriguing matchup. on one hand you have a media legend - the panamanian devil. on the other hand, you have a guy the media absolutely despised.

assuming this matchup is at 135, for all its worth, i change my prediction and i think pernell beats him in a 12 rounder, duran beats him in 15. i hate to say it because duran is my all-time favorite fighter, but i think pernell may be too 'cute' for him.

to a large extent, pernell's greatness lied in his ability to see things in the present, as they were happening, and shaping and directing the direction of the action. he always knows where he was and where his opponent was and where they are going. i love the way he leads his opponent into positions where he was free to let his hands go. he knew when they are unable to counter or knew exactly what that counter would be and was ready for it. his jab - he threw it straight so that his entire body is behind it.

something many people forget about this matchup is that they are both equal in strength (IMO). duran, for all his primeval savagery was pernell's equal in terms of strength (IMO). they are both 5'6'' so we would most likely see a see-saw battle on the inside.

duran would be forced to turn pernell and fight him on the outside. pernell wins a close decision (12 rounds), and duran wins a close decision (15 rounds).

You make a great argument; and I will say that Pete was one of the few lightweights that I can see beating Duran. The other two are Joe Gans and Benny Leonard. That's not bad company.

Great post.

ferocity
07-01-2006, 01:26 AM
duran by late tko in 15 round fight, 12 round fight, ud. once whitiker starts playing ruff duran will play even ruffer

cple
07-01-2006, 02:14 AM
On paper, it's an intriguing matchup. In this bout, we have Pernell Whitaker, the best defensive fighter of his era--and possibly all-time--facing Roberto Duran, one of the most well-rounded fighters to ever live. Obviously, it would be advantageous for Duran to have the fight in a phone booth, but i'm more than confident that he'd be able to hold his own on the outside as well. Whitaker has never faced a fighter with Duran's arsenal. While it can be said that Duran has never seen a boxer with Whitaker's capabilities, Duran has little to fear when it comes to incoming punches.

The same cannot be said about Whitaker, who must face one of the most complete and fiercest punchers ever, while dealing with Duran's vastly underrated defense--a combination that could prove to be overwhelming. And that is what i think will happen. Whitaker would have to focus so much on avoiding Duran's attack, he wouldn't be able to mount his own offensive. Even if Whitaker successfully dodges the majority of Duran's punches (not a gaurantee), he won't be scoring points.

Duran by dec.

oldgringo
07-01-2006, 03:16 AM
On paper, it's an intriguing matchup. In this bout, we have Pernell Whitaker, the best defensive fighter of his era--and possibly all-time--facing Roberto Duran, one of the most well-rounded fighters to ever live. Obviously, it would be advantageous for Duran to have the fight in a phone booth, but i'm more than confident that he'd be able to hold his own on the outside as well. Whitaker has never faced a fighter with Duran's arsenal. While it can be said that Duran has never seen a boxer with Whitaker's capabilities, Duran has little to fear when it comes to incoming punches.

The same cannot be said about Whitaker, who must face one of the most complete and fiercest punchers ever, while dealing with Duran's vastly underrated defense--a combination that could prove to be overwhelming. And that is what i think will happen. Whitaker would have to focus so much on avoiding Duran's attack, he wouldn't be able to mount his own offensive. Even if Whitaker successfully dodges the majority of Duran's punches (not a gaurantee), he won't be scoring points.

Duran by dec.


its good to see you post my friend, but i must disagree that whitaker would not score on duran. his jab was effective and his reflexes were top of the line when he'd drop the left hand in on his opponents. whitaker never really lost until he moved up to 147....and it was when he was past his best weight for sure. i believe his underrated jab, movement, and defense would allow him to score more than any other opponent duran faced at lightweight. whitaker was better at 135 than was dejesus (who was also a monster at 135). just look at how much he frustrated a great azumah nelson (who was the smaller man, but was still great at the time).

wmute
07-01-2006, 03:53 PM
it would be close and it would be great. If I had to bet, with fair judges, I would bet on whitaker thinking of his performance against chavez (note I am not drawing a perfect parallel, but there are some similarities between the two, and pea won pretty muche every round with chavez, so he might pull out seven with duran)

shortright
07-01-2006, 06:14 PM
over 15 rds i take duran, ringsize could play a factor, a prepared prime duran may be the toughest fighter for someone to ever face