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King Koyle
06-28-2006, 10:33 AM
I read in Bert Sugars book 'The 100 greatest fighters ever' that Sonny Listons fists were bigger than Carnera's and Willard's.Holy ****!I knew he had huge hands,but damn!Combine that with his unnatural reach,and this man was a machine.Anyways,im sure a lot of you already knew this.Just thought I would throw it out there.

SABBATH
06-28-2006, 11:09 AM
I read in Bert Sugars book 'The 100 greatest fighters ever' that Sonny Listons fists were bigger than Carnera's and Willard's.Holy ****!I knew he had huge hands,but damn!Combine that with his unnatural reach,and this man was a machine.Anyways,im sure a lot of you already knew this.Just thought I would throw it out there.Liston's fists were measured at 15 inches. That measurement is across the knuckles and palm (held in place by the fingers making the fist. It is said an ordinary man's fist is about 7-8 inches which I think is a bit low.

Ali, Holmes, Norton and Frazier have had their fists were measured anywhere between 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 inches.

King Koyle
06-28-2006, 11:47 AM
Cool!Thanks for the extra info!

Oasis_Lad
06-28-2006, 11:48 AM
Liston's fists were measured at 15 inches. That measurement is across the knuckles and palm (held in place by the fingers making the fist. It is said an ordinary man's fist is about 7-8 inches which I think is a bit low.

Ali, Holmes, Norton and Frazier have had their fists were measured anywhere between 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 inches.

id have hated to have been on the end of listons jab!

JDizzle79
06-28-2006, 11:50 AM
I wonder how big Marciano's fists were?

SABBATH
06-28-2006, 12:08 PM
Marciano's were 11 1/2.

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The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>John L.
Sullivan</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>James J.
Corbett</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Bob
Fitzsimmons</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Jim
Jeffries</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
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Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
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Fist
Forearm

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Willard</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
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Chest/Exp.
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Carnera</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Max
Baer</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Jimmy
Braddock</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Joe
Louis</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-5
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Patterson</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
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Chest/Exp.
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The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Ingemar
Johansson</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Sonny
Liston</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Muhammad
Ali</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Joe
Frazier</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
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Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

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JDizzle79
06-28-2006, 12:09 PM
Marciano's were 11 1/2.

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The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>John L.
Sullivan</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>James J.
Corbett</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Bob
Fitzsimmons</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Jim
Jeffries</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>5-10
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The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Marvin
Hart</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Tommy
Burns</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Jack
Johnson</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Jess
Willard</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>5-11
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</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=50 bgColor=#edd3b5>Tale Of
The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Jack
Dempsey</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Gene
Tunney</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Max
Schmeling</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Jack
Sharkey</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-0
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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-0
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74
40
45
34
14
17
7
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10
24
12
15
</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=50 bgColor=#edd3b5>Tale Of
The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Primo
Carnera</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Max
Baer</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Jimmy
Braddock</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Joe
Louis</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-5
260
85
48
54
38
18
20
9
20
11
30
14
16
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-2
209
81
44
47
32
14
17
8
15
9
21
12
14
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-2
193
75
41
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34
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8
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10
22
11
12
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-1
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42
45
36
15
17
8
14
10
22
11
12
</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=50 bgColor=#edd3b5>Tale Of
The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Ezzard
Charles</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Jersey Joe
Walcott</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Rocky
Marciano</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Floyd
Patterson</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-0
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74
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33
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13
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>5-10
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11
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32
14
17
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9
21
12
12
</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=50 bgColor=#edd3b5>Tale Of
The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Ingemar
Johansson</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Sonny
Liston</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Muhammad
Ali</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Joe
Frazier</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-0
196
72
43
45
34
16
17
7
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10
24
13
15
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-1
214
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33
16
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12
25
15
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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-3
210
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45
34
15
17
8
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12
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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>5-11
205
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goddamn...he was a small dude compared to the HW's also...he was throwing 'clubs'

SABBATH
06-28-2006, 12:09 PM
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The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>George
Foreman</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Leon
Spinks</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Ken
Norton</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Larry
Holmes</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

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40
42
32
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17
7
15
9
24
12
12
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215
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33
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18
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25
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13
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-3
209
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35
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10
25
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13
</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=50 bgColor=#edd3b5>Tale Of
The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>John
Tate</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Mike
Weaver</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Michael
Dokes</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Gerrie
Coetzee</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-4
240
80
42
44
36
16
17
7
17
10
26
13
13
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-1
207
78
44
46
32
17
18
8
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10
24
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13
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-3
216
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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-2
215
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13
</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=50 bgColor=#edd3b5>Tale Of
The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Tim
Witherspoon</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Pinklon
Thomas</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Greg
Page</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Tony
Tubbs</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-3
220
77
43
45
36
17
17
9
16
9
25
12
14
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-3
216
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42
44
32
15
17
8
17
10
24
12
12
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-3
236
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45
46
35
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13
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-3
230
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38
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17
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12
13
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle></TD><TR><TD align=middle width=50 bgColor=#edd3b5>Tale Of
The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Michael
Spinks</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Trevor
Berbick</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Mike
Tyson</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Bonecrusher
Smith</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-2
200
76
38
40
32
13
15
7
16
11
22
13
12
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-2
215
78
42
44
37
15
17
7
15
10
24
13
12
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>5-11
218
71
43
45
34
16
19
8
18
11
27
13
14
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-4
230
82
42
44
38
18
18
9
16
9
29
13
14
</TD><TR><TD align=middle width=50 bgColor=#edd3b5>Tale Of
The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Tony
Tucker</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Buster
Douglas</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Evander
Holyfield</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Riddick
Bowe</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-5
225
81
42
45
34
16
17
8
16
10
22
13
13
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-4
231
84
43
44
36
18
17
8
16
10
27
13
14
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-2
215
77
43
45
32
16
19
7
13
10
22
12
12
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-5
230
81
46
50
36
15
17
8
16
11
26
13
17
</TD><TR><TD align=middle width=50 bgColor=#edd3b5>Tale Of
The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Lennox
Lewis</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Michael
Moorer</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Oliver
McCall</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>George
Foreman</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-5
245
84
44
46
34
17
18
8
18
11
26
12
15
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-2
225
78
42
44
34
17
20
8
17
10
26
12
14
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-2
231
79
46
48
34
17
17
10
19
9
26
14
14
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-4
250
79
48
50
39
20
20
12
20
13
28
13
14
</TD><TR><TD align=middle width=50 bgColor=#edd3b5>Tale Of
The Tape</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Bruce
Seldon</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#edd3b5>Frank
Bruno</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-1
233
71
43
45
34
16
19
8
18
11
27
13
14
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle>6-3
230
82
48
50
34
17
18
9
17
10
24
14
14
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

The Raging Bull
06-28-2006, 01:34 PM
****in hell. No wonder he had such a devastating punch with all that area hitting his opponents face!

SABBATH
06-28-2006, 01:56 PM
Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey and Marciano were among three of the hardest punchers who also happened to have three of the smallest fists (along with Braddock and Tunney they are the only champions under 12 inches).

Marciano was just small all around compared to other champions. Height, reach, fist, neck, chest, biceps, thighs etc....while Marciano's 32 inch waist ( the first place most men store fat) is the same as much bigger guys like Mike Weaver, Pinklon Thomas, and Evander Holyfield to name just a few.

Marciano was clearly a cruiserweight by today's standards.

Hard Boiled HK
06-28-2006, 03:00 PM
I don't think that chart is entirely accurate. It list Ali having a reach of 82 inches. However, if you watch some of his fights, they either say or show on the picture that his reach is 80 inches. Unless someone has an explaination for this.

Also, this is what I don't understand. I thought your reach is suppose to equal your height. Ali is 75 inches in height, and yet his reach is at least 5 inches more? Is the 1 to 1 ratio between height and reach outdated or am I missing something here?

Southpaw Stinger
06-28-2006, 03:54 PM
Also, this is what I don't understand. I thought your reach is suppose to equal your height. Ali is 75 inches in height, and yet his reach is at least 5 inches more? Is the 1 to 1 ratio between height and reach outdated or am I missing something here?

Thats outdated. Listons reach was 84 and he was just over 6'. Valuev has a shorter reach than Liston and he is 7'!

SABBATH
06-28-2006, 03:58 PM
I don't think that chart is entirely accurate. It list Ali having a reach of 82 inches. However, if you watch some of his fights, they either say or show on the picture that his reach is 80 inches. Unless someone has an explaination for this.

Also, this is what I don't understand. I thought your reach is suppose to equal your height. Ali is 75 inches in height, and yet his reach is at least 5 inches more? Is the 1 to 1 ratio between height and reach outdated or am I missing something here? Reach measurements can be off a couple of inches depending on how far the fighter is stretching his wingspan, slackness in the tape, or not quite measuring finger tip to tip.

Nobody's skeletal frame is exactly symmetrical. Look at the fifference between Liston and Tyson. Two inches in height but 13 inches in reach. We'd all be buying suits off the rack and putting tailors out of business if we were all created completely symmetrical.

The measurement that surprised me was Foreman at 217 lbs having smaller upper arms than Leon Spinks. That seem off. Maybe Spinks was flexing or they didn't measure Foreman at the thickest part of his upper arm.

Pork Chop
06-28-2006, 05:03 PM
Gotta love how foreman went from:

Ht Wt Rch Chest Wst Bi Nk Wrst Calf Ank Thi Fst Fore
6-3 217 82 42 44 34 15 17 7 17 9 25 12 13

to

6-4 250 79 48 50 39 20 20 12 20 13 28 13 14

He grew an inch but lost 3 in reach, gained 4.5 inches on wrist, 3.5 on ankle, and an inch and a half on fist.
Crazy


Met bowe in person last year and remember him being one of the largest human beings I've ever met [EDIT: which is funny coz of trained with & sparred plenty of people 6'4"- only an inch shorter]. The idea that our biceps are around the same girth is almost comedic to me; even if that's a relaxed bicep measurement.

According to that, Dempsey had bigger biceps than tyson.

Dempsey 1919
06-28-2006, 05:13 PM
Gotta love how foreman went from:

Ht Wt Rch Chest Wst Bi Nk Wrst Calf Ank Thi Fst Fore
6-3 217 82 42 44 34 15 17 7 17 9 25 12 13

to

6-4 250 79 48 50 39 20 20 12 20 13 28 13 14

He grew an inch but lost 3 in reach, gained 4.5 inches on wrist, 3.5 on ankle, and an inch and a half on fist.
Crazy


Met bowe in person last year and remember him being one of the largest human beings I've ever met [EDIT: which is funny coz of trained with & sparred plenty of people 6'4"- only an inch shorter]. The idea that our biceps are around the same girth is almost comedic to me; even if that's a relaxed bicep measurement.

According to that, Dempsey had bigger biceps than tyson.

No way! :eek: