Not me, I feel that its all over oil.

Not me, I do not believe its a solution. I do not believe the problem will go away and we will have sacrified our people and at the same time aggravate the problem

Agreed.
We just signed a 25 year contract with russia, and and were going to help the clear out a little uprising in one of thier provinces over there. How thoughtful of us?

Thus, we will stop buying oil from the middle east, while continueing to surplus our oil, in hopes that one day all the worlds oil will be drained, and we will have it all. Great business sense, but I don't think we need an Oil tycoon running the country, especially when his daddy tried that same thing. What happened to the original charges of Hussein? Did they just dissappear? Before this year, we have met with hussein and continued to do business with him. Its all a bunch of bs.

lol Russia has agreed to do business with Hussain too lol

It doesn't matter if I agree or not, if we go to war, I'm going.

I suppoert my country, bottom line. These middle-east idiots only understand one thing, VIOLENCE. Until we go make a mud-puddle out of their asses, this **** will continue forever. On a side note, Saturday night I ate dinner with three men form Israel. Needless to say they had some very interesting things to say about all of this, of course in complete suppoert of going after Saddam and Osama.

[quote:444ac1efac="TheBull"]It doesn't matter if I agree or not, if we go to war, I'm going.[/quote:444ac1efac]

of course it matters, isn't that what this country is all about? having the right to opinion without having to be a thoughtless follower?

No war! [b:5d176a8006]I HATE WAR![/b:5d176a8006]

[quote:d061840192="prime cut"]I suppoert my country, bottom line. These middle-east idiots only understand one thing, VIOLENCE. Until we go make a mud-puddle out of their asses, this **** will continue forever. On a side note, Saturday night I ate dinner with three men form Israel. Needless to say they had some very interesting things to say about all of this, of course in complete suppoert of going after Saddam and Osama.[/quote:d061840192]


It is never ending, unless you plan on gong to every country in the planet looking for supporters and killing them all. Its a chain reaction, never ending, ever... of course Israel will support the US going to WAR that is what they want, we are the ones that supply Israel with weapons.

Exactly Kato, and it's actually the reason for all this to begin with. We don't let anyone **** with Israel, and only became worse once they attacked us.

I haven't heard of a single person here in Sweden who supports "you"

[quote:3db1de4ae7="prime cut"]Exactly Kato, and it's actually the reason for all this to begin with. We don't let anyone **** with Israel, and only became worse once they attacked us.[/quote:3db1de4ae7]

Thats why the US should not become involved in other countries affairs, when we do get involved its not for the sake of peace, its because there is an interest at stake. In Venezuela when we have had problems with Colombias "guerrillas" the US has always wanted to help by coming and taking over the borders, (guess which part of Venezuela contains the most petroleum?) we have always turned the help down because it would only make matters worst.

We go to war and I will bet you my life earning this will happen again 10 years from now and again and again.

[quote:f1f4a63977="paddan"]I haven't heard of a single person here in Sweden who supports "you"[/quote:f1f4a63977]"you" as in Bush.

Kato, our country has no choice but to support Israel, not matter what the circumstances are.

[quote:d77d0ccaf2="prime cut"]Kato, our country has no choice but to support Israel, not matter what the circumstances are.[/quote:d77d0ccaf2]

Why do you say that?...

Because we had the most part in creating them and to let it fail looks bad to the US. I just think it was weird in the first place that land was given to the jews that wasnt thiers because the allies felt bad about turning thier heads to a massacre in Europe.

I particularly do not want war cause the lower class will suffer on both sides. Iraq and the US will send in soldiers and nobody sitting in power will risk anything from thier personal assets. The spoils will be payed by the blood of the people of these courtries so a fat assed soccor mom can pay less to fill up her SUV.

Well, in our country the jewish people have lots of power. They as a group have lots of money, and many serve high positions in our government. Needless to say money controls the interests of our government. The fastest way for a man in power in the United States to fall to nothing is by pissing off the jews. So basically whatever happens to them happens to us.

I agree Prime. All the media control is primarily owned by Jews. You **** with them and every News broadcast and paper will be verbally buggering you.

[quote:b1a84b1fab="prime cut"]Well, in our country the jewish people have lots of power. They as a group have lots of money, and many serve high positions in our government. Needless to say money controls the interests of our government. The fastest way for a man in power in the United States to fall to nothing is by pissing off the jews. So basically whatever happens to them happens to us.[/quote:b1a84b1fab]

Well, I am understand where you are coming from, I don't agree with it, but I understand, so what if Israel is the worst of 2 evils, does that makes it right for what is happening to come back and bite us in the ass?... We supported the middle East with their troubles with Russia because we wanted Russia to suffer... everything is one sick money driven issue and will always come back to hunt us, thats why war is not the answer, its like giving a sugar pill to tumor that must be removed.

I agree Kato but the gray areas are huge. Negotiations cant be reached and mass slaughter I feel wouldnt help at all so its chaos until they reach a solution. gotta wait it out.

Kato, you explain your points very well, makes discussions more interesting. Just consider me a brain-washed American. I just believe that until we oust Saddam and the Al-Quida we will continue to be under attack. I personally believe that Bush is using this thought of war to devert the public from seeing what a ****ty job he is doing as our president. Saying that though, I want to live in a safe country and those ****ers are not making that a reality at the present time.

[quote:7e874f39b2="Aaron Suave"]I agree Kato but the gray areas are huge. Negotiations cant be reached and mass slaughter I feel wouldnt help at all so its chaos until they reach a solution. gotta wait it out.[/quote:7e874f39b2]

All I am saying is War will not be the answer, its the end, it will not make it better and in the mean time our people will be getting killed, mentally disturbed, injured, etc.

[quote:749f66ba43="Kato"][quote:749f66ba43="Aaron Suave"]I agree Kato but the gray areas are huge. Negotiations cant be reached and mass slaughter I feel wouldnt help at all so its chaos until they reach a solution. gotta wait it out.[/quote:749f66ba43]

All I am saying is War will not be the answer, its the end, it will not make it better and in the mean time our people will be getting killed, mentally disturbed, injured, etc.[/quote:749f66ba43]
I tend to believe the opposite. If we as a nation sit around and let Osama and/or Saddam continue to terrorize our country and do nothing about it, I believe our people will suffer from constant fear and our economy will crash even further than it has. We cannot show that we will not retaliate when attacked, or we will be asking for an eventual invasion.

[quote:7b113d2674="prime cut"]Kato, you explain your points very well, makes discussions more interesting. Just consider me a brain-washed American. I just believe that until we oust Saddam and the Al-Quida we will continue to be under attack. I personally believe that Bush is using this thought of war to devert the public from seeing what a ****ty job he is doing as our president. Saying that though, I want to live in a safe country and those ****ers are not making that a reality at the present time.[/quote:7b113d2674]

you hit the nail on the head "present time". We can go to war, thing will calm down, and the result of the war will generate more hatred by those who suffer and this will come back.

Bush has used this situation for his own purposes, as you say, look at our current living conditions in our country, things are not 100%, the economy sucks, every is scared to invest, companies are ****ing around left and right, no one trust the market. We continue to educate people in third world countries in military so they can in return opress the people of their nation.

When Bush came to office he wanted for all people that have had a drug offense (yes, even those under the age of eighteen) to be denied financial aid, meaning that if you were 13 and got caught with a joint and that was on your record you would no longer have aid as an option. Since Sept 11th, all of that has been forgotten. The fact that there is tax money being spent to see if monorities are as intelligent there for making them or not deserve financial aid, or if this was indeed a risk loan. All these things have been put in the back burner.

Agreed, except I don't think these guys will ever leave us alone until they a terminated. They hate us for helping Israel, and we can't change that. So I don't think they're going to change either.

[quote:a458fade25="prime cut"]Agreed, except I don't think these guys will ever leave us alone until they a terminated. They hate us for helping Israel, and we can't change that. So I don't think they're going to change either.[/quote:a458fade25]

they will never be terminated, you would have to commit genocide, and still someone out there will feel hatred for all that has happen and it will start all over. Their hatred is also a result from us helping them go to war with Russia and then turning our back on them after all the destruction took place, we never helped them get back on their feet, they felt used, which we did. I am not saying that anyone here is in the correct, all I am saying is that war is not the answer

Unfortunatly, there is no right answer. So I take my country's side :)

I support nothing the US government does.

Same regarding the Canadian government, whatever they do.

[quote:b4d10d61e1]When Bush came to office he wanted for all people that have had a drug offense (yes, even those under the age of eighteen) to be denied financial aid, meaning that if you were 13 and got caught with a joint and that was on your record you would no longer have aid as an option. [/quote:b4d10d61e1]

thats kinda funny for a guy caught doing blow in college.


[quote:b4d10d61e1]Agreed, except I don't think these guys will ever leave us alone until they a terminated. They hate us for helping Israel, and we can't change that. So I don't think they're going to change either.[/quote:b4d10d61e1]

feel it will be hard to settle these problems. that is why War will not work. Unfortunetly it will always be there and in rare cases it is necessary. They hate us for exploiting thier resources in the third world as well (despite various shieks and sultans who squander and leave thier people to live in shacks) but its always the people who suffer.

Ill use your avatar of Michael Corleone as an example. In the book The Godfather they bring up the fact that the death of a man may also be necessary for his son once he has reached a certain age. after all, little boys grow up to be men capable of revenge. So if we go balls to the wall in the middle east the victims families will hate us also and the American families will blame the "rag heads" for the casualties as well. unless you want to wipe out the next generation I feel that these mutual feelings will always be unless countries try to make peace.

We don't have a government..at least not one that I recognize.

I am voting for Aaron ;)...

I'd vote for him if I live in the states.

thanks you guys. If I only had political backing, soft spots for tobacco companies and the 8 million dollar minimum campaign fee that keeps the common man from having a shot at running a country that is predominatly like him, I would make you proud,lol.

I'd love to be the secretary of defense, but my views aren't very popular :)

works out perfect. you have the view needed for war time and ill handle the general public and social aspect. I would go about the Global board and assign my advisors.

you kill them they kill you, thats not a very diplomatic solution if the economy its in a bad condition war should not be the anwer, also if saddam is giving so many problems let t iraq solve their own problems.
50% of iraq designated aereas for agriculture are polluted as comsecuence of the gulf-war, it would be a shame another war in that part of the world, in terms of "danger" North-Korea and China are more important and no military action is taken against them? why because they dont have oil and could be a serious threat? stop the bs or at least dont vote for those who love war.

There will never be peace so we may as well win. Just nuke the ****ers.

I dont want an utopic paradise if someone loves the prophet mahomo ok, if you believe in jesus and elvis presley ok. I just think earth would be a better place if everybody minds their own business.

Guys, I come from the future. Don't do it, I promise the whole nuke thing is a lie.

We need to nuke everything. KILL EM ALL

Holy ancient thread Batman!