He doesnt deserve a rematch. Think about his, He fought a very very defensive fight and everytime vlad would try to punch he would tie him up put his head right on Vlad's head. He did this throughout the whole fight up until he lost. THe bottom line is that fighting this type of style leads to endings such as the tech dec loss, especially when you are fighting for the ko and not win rounds. When you choose that style, it may or may not work, but this is one of the consequences. It is irrelevant whether vlad would have been stopped or williamson lose by dec or ko'd. Vlad won most of the fight on points, thus won by the rules. Williamson was losing, landed a couple good shots and thats it.
Dont get me wrong, Vlad looked like garbage, but the positives he is better conditioned, fighting at a much slower pace, clinching and finally being forced to brawl and best of all getting up after being nailed to win, and thats something he has never done. This new style is safer for him and if he can add just a little bit from the Fritz Sdunek style of aggressiveness he has a chance.
He needs to fight Whitaker who is perfect for him, then No talent bum brewster, then sanders.

I gotta say that your words make some sense

I also want to add kudos to Williamson for surviving and landing a good shot. I like him, He is a superb role model and has good power. I would love to see him get rid of the piece of trash toney. But, he ran the whole fight, and asked for a loss like this. There is no market for a rematch and Vlad has nothing to prove, he easily outboxed davarryl.

thank you,
i am waiting to get slammed for this.But if you think about it, it really holds water. No one has pointed this out and this is not a rah rah vlad post of how great he is.

it would be pointless to fight sanders. the redemption factor is minimal, however, i would love to see him rematch brewster. How can you be a worse so called heavyweight champion than John Ruiz? being Lamon Brewster, it is obvious he got lucky vs Wlad and got outworked and outfought by a sparring partner in Meehan, if he wasnt a DKing fighter, he would be fighting bums for bologna sandwiches, no disrespect of course.

I also want to add kudos to Williamson for surviving and landing a good shot. I like him, He is a superb role model and has good power. I would love to see him get rid of the piece of trash toney. But, he ran the whole fight, and asked for a loss like this. There is no market for a rematch and Vlad has nothing to prove, he easily outboxed davarryl.

He didn't run because he was scared of Wlad. He ran as a strategy...a strategy that probably would have worked before Round 10. He was gaining points, Wlad was bleeding and breathing hard out of his mouth and he wasn't going to catch Williamson.

Yes, Williamson is a third rate fighter, but what does that make Wlad then?

He didn't run because he was scared of Wlad. He ran as a strategy...a strategy that probably would have worked before Round 10. He was gaining points, Wlad was bleeding and breathing hard out of his mouth and he wasn't going to catch Williamson.

Yes, Williamson is a third rate fighter, but what does that make Wlad then?

Here we go again. TOS is ranked in the top 11 in 3 out of 4 of the top sanctioning bodies. Did you look at the punch stats? The fight wasn't even close. He saved himself in the 2nd round by holding on to Wlad forever even when Nady was trying to pull him off him. Nady saved him in the 4th round when he warned Wlad for spinning when he wasn't even spinning him. Running away the whole time and even losing a round in which you KD your opponent does not merit a rematch. Especially since I think the same thing will probably happen. TOS leads with his head way too much, and he headbutted Wlad more than just that last time before the 5th round ended.

Points don't matter when you KO your opponent. Brewster and Danny williams didn't care that they were behind on the cards. They had game plans and they executed. Williamson was working on it when the young Kutko brother lucked out. The head butt was accidental. You don't brag about accidents.

Points don't matter when you KO your opponent. Brewster and Danny williams didn't care that they were behind on the cards. They had game plans and they executed. Williamson was working on it when the young Kutko brother lucked out. The head butt was accidental. You don't brag about accidents.

Yeah the headbutt was accidental but TOS leads with his head and it happened more than just that last time. Danny Williams has no place in this conversation, but I'm glad you brought up Brewster. I could see myself agreeing with you had TOS fought a style similar to Brewster. Brewster at least put some level of pressure on Wlad and he landed a fair number of power shots to the body. Besides for that one punch in the 4th and a good combo in the 1st TOS basically did nothing the entire fight. And for the record Wlad was breathing out of his mouth because he had a nosebleed before the fight.

Danny used a similar strategy to Brewster. Jameel McCline did, to a lesser extent, against Cedric Boswell. Some fighters don't worry about points because they think their best shot is by KO. Hell, look at Mayorga the other night...you think he was worrying about whether he won a round or not?

Danny used a similar strategy to Brewster. Jameel McCline did, to a lesser extent, against Cedric Boswell. Some fighters don't worry about points because they think their best shot is by KO. Hell, look at Mayorga the other night...you think he was worrying about whether he won a round or not?

You didn't address the fact that TOS was doing anything to tire Wlad out except dancing around the ring.

I'm not sure I buy the nosebleed thing. Plus, Wlad's legs looked bad early. He seemed nervous the whole way through to me.

I'm not sure I buy the nosebleed thing. Plus, Wlad's legs looked bad early. He seemed nervous the whole way through to me.

So now the Showtime crew is lying. Seeming nervous has nothing to do with TOS's ability to close the show.

Neuraxis, you crack me up because you are the ultimate Wlad appologist. It does matter how many times he get his ass whoopped and looks crummy fighting bums, you always stick up for him. The Showtime crew is lying, he got drugged, manny stewart F'ed up his style. LOL! Your a ****ing crack up. :D Are you sure your not Vitali? :confused:

Neuraxis, you crack me up because you are the ultimate Wlad appologist. It does matter how many times he get his ass whoopped and looks crummy fighting bums, you always stick up for him. The Showtime crew is lying, he got drugged, manny stewart F'ed up his style. LOL! Your a ****ing crack up. :D Are you sure your not Vitali? :confused:

Who knows maybe I am. Apparently you missed this:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=758

Points don't matter when you KO your opponent. Brewster and Danny williams didn't care that they were behind on the cards. They had game plans and they executed. Williamson was working on it when the young Kutko brother lucked out. The head butt was accidental. You don't brag about accidents.

The TOS headbutt was on purpose! Watch it again!

and he was drugged vs Brewster so that fight is irrelevant!

The TOS headbutt was on purpose! Watch it again!

and he was drugged vs Brewster so that fight is irrelevant!

No way that headbutt was on purpose. The two guys just came togehter. I've heard the drugged comment, too. But the fact remains, for those who don't buy the drug story, Brewster's fight seems like a blueprint for guys that wouldn't stand a shot against Wlad fighting in the center of the ring trading punches.

It doesn't seem like they are going to give him one anyway.

Wladimir, according to the advice from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, you should not carry out even easy sparring within two months, and should not fight anyone for at least six months… So, how’s your health and state of mind?
That’s the first time I heard that. I feel perfectly fine. My mood is great.

And what’s the deal with your cut?
I have no problem with the wound. On Sunday in the afternoon, in Las Vegas I went to the medical complex “Town Center,” where plastic surgeon Ronald Biff Makkann, who has worked with Oscar De La Hoya and many other boxers, in fifteen minutes, operated on the cut and was able to close it, leaving just a small scar in its place.

Wladimir, maybe I’m ahead a bit, but there are persistent rumors about your next fight in December?
Basically there is such an idea. However, whether I’ll be able to fight in December will be known by the end of this month. If the process of rehabilitation passed well, when most likely I will box by the year’s end. That’s something I would like. But will it happen, we’ll find out later.

Wladimir, what do you think of the last nights fight?
The most important thing in this fight was a victory, and realistically I expected a different end to that fight. Overall the fight was good. I was ready for this fight, and showed that I’m physically and physiologically ready to fight.

And what about mentally, how was your fighting spirit. Some say that lately you’re lacking it?
I don’t agree with that statement. While I’m able to fight – I will do that. I was ready to continue fighting, even though I was head budded. I needed just a round or two to end the fight.

But your opponent disagrees with you, and even said that he needed just one more round to end the fight. DaVarryl told the press that he knocked you down, that you breathed heavily, and was able to evade your punches…
Well, what can I say…? I was hit with two unpleasant punches. As far as knockdown concern, I was carrying out attack, and was off balance, so even a push would’ve stumbled me.
If DaVarryl thinks that I missed all my punches, then he should closely watch the fight again. It was him who missed most of his punches. Besides, he was also rather tired since he constantly moved trying to avoid my attacks.
He spoke of his plan to fight aggressively in the end, yet it seemed he was just trying to justify his passivity in the fight, plus his trainers constantly shouted for him to do something and attack me throughout the fight.

DaVarryl said that he wants a rematch…
I don’t think so, it’s not necessary.

Wladimir, what were you unable to do in this fight?
I wanted to win quickly and convincingly, and that averted my attention from being more cautious.

How did Emanuel Steward rate your performance?
Generally my performance was good. He has noted some things we have to improve on, and we’ll take care of that in the future.

Your plans?
Already tonight we fly off to Germany, where the presentation of our autobiography “Between Brothers…” will take place.

Lastly, few words to your fans…
I want to thank all of you for the support given to me. Perhaps, this fight wasn’t my best one, but it did answer some of those questions I had since Lamon’s fight. I want to return to the ring as soon as possible to begin preparing for my next fight. I am ready to reach our dream – that both Vitali and I simultaneously hold a world championship belts. This dream will become reality.

The 4th round was scored 10-9 on every single official judges scorecard. Poor TOS

I don't really need to see a Williamson rematch anyway. Wlad's opponent might as well have not had a name the other night. The focus is on Wlad and not the guy he fought. Any number of pros could have fought the way DaVarryl did the other night. Only Corrie Sanders really destroyed Wlad. The other 2 losses were Wlad beating himself. Or the bigots as tech9ne will add if I don't beat him to it.

I don't really need to see a Williamson rematch anyway. Wlad's opponent might as well have not had a name the other night. The focus is on Wlad and not the guy he fought. Any number of pros could have fought the way DaVarryl did the other night. Only Corrie Sanders really destroyed Wlad. The other 2 losses were Wlad beating himself. Or the bigots as tech9ne will add if I don't beat him to it.

Yeah I am starting to wonder if techn9ne is Onewarrior5 or Farmboxer. The similarities are frightening.

Wlad was drugged vs Sanders!

Watch the fight again... during his entrance his eyes look hazey and glossy... he seemed like he wasnt all there!

That wasnt the same Wlad that night in Hanover, Germany!

Wlad was drugged vs Sanders!

Watch the fight again... during his entrance his eyes look hazey and glossy... he seemed like he wasnt all there!

That wasnt the same Wlad that night in Hanover, Germany!

:D Would you please just shut the hell up.

Like i said before and i'll say it again. STOP trying to take away the victories of Corrie Sanders and Lamon Pooster. Wladimir was beaten fair and square. He has NO stamina, chin or killer instinct and thats a fact. :cool:

Wlad was drugged vs Sanders!

Watch the fight again... during his entrance his eyes look hazey and glossy... he seemed like he wasnt all there!

That wasnt the same Wlad that night in Hanover, Germany!

He may have. Who knows. But, I do know that Wladimir had a very bad flu that day, and still wanted to fight a difficult fighter. This is why he was sluggish and his eyes looked the way they did. He may have been taking medicine. So, it may be true what you said.

what happened to the 1000 points i gave you... are you just gettin robbed blind?

:D Would you please just shut the hell up.

Like i said before and i'll say it again. STOP trying to take away the victories of Corrie Sanders and Lamon Pooster. Wladimir was beaten fair and square. He has NO stamina, chin or killer instinct and thats a fact. :cool:

He preferes Lemon Pooster.

you are such a ****ing moron

:D Would you please just shut the hell up.

Like i said before and i'll say it again. STOP trying to take away the victories of Corrie Sanders and Lamon Pooster. Wladimir was beaten fair and square. He has NO stamina, chin or killer instinct and thats a fact. :cool:


I wonder what the "real" reason was for his loss to Purity? I'm so tired of the Wlad bashing and the Wlad blind love.

My opinion on Wlad: Tremendous skill and power. Lacking a chin and stamina. In the past he has beaten good fighters, but in the last couple of years he has looked pathetic. To say he should retire is premature becuase he is still young and maybe can turn it around in this talent weak division. To say he is a top contender is also premature. I would sure like to see him beat someone convincingly.....ANYONE! I wish him well becuase he seems like a good guy and it would be great for Boxing...having said that, I don't feel he will.(my opinion)

I wonder what the "real" reason was for his loss to Purity? I'm so tired of the Wlad bashing and the Wlad blind love.

My opinion on Wlad: Tremendous skill and power. Lacking a chin and stamina. In the past he has beaten good fighters, but in the last couple of years he has looked pathetic. To say he should retire is premature becuase he is still young and maybe can turn it around in this talent weak division. To say he is a top contender is also premature. I would sure like to see him beat someone convincingly.....ANYONE! I wish him well becuase he seems like a good guy and it would be great for Boxing...having said that, I don't feel he will.(my opinion)

:) Good opinion Marvdave and i have to say i agree. I just get annoyed when blind fans start trying to take away the victories from other fighters. If they are true boxing fans they will give all fighters credit and not come out with rubbish like "He was poisoned" etc

I don't think Wladimir's fans are taking any credit away from other fighters.

Wladimir fans have given Corrie Sanders the most credit out of anyone, and rightfully so. Corrie Sanders is a very tough and difficult fighter. But, when they gave Corrie Sanders credit, people made fun of them. They have given Williamson much credit, they are made fun of even more.

I think Wladimir fans are the most fair fans. They rarely criticize other fighters. They love to just talk about their favorite fighters. Wladimir fans say Wladimir's chin is not glass. This is more of an accurate opinion and fair statement so far than saying he has a glass chin, because Wladimir has never been knocked out like so many others. To never be knocked out in the Heavyweight Division is a good sign his chin is not as bad as haters say.

Also, to say corruption cannot occur in boxing is very inaccurate to say. Las Vegas thinks there is a strong possiblity something was wrong with the Wladimir Brewster fight. If Las Vegas can say something may have happened, then Wladimir fans can say also.

The Brewster fight was one thing but now i come and read this:

Wlad was drugged vs Sanders!

Watch the fight again... during his entrance his eyes look hazey and glossy... he seemed like he wasnt all there!

That wasnt the same Wlad that night in Hanover, Germany!

I wonder what the "real" reason was for his loss to Purity? I'm so tired of the Wlad bashing and the Wlad blind love.

My opinion on Wlad: Tremendous skill and power. Lacking a chin and stamina. In the past he has beaten good fighters, but in the last couple of years he has looked pathetic. To say he should retire is premature becuase he is still young and maybe can turn it around in this talent weak division. To say he is a top contender is also premature. I would sure like to see him beat someone convincingly.....ANYONE! I wish him well becuase he seems like a good guy and it would be great for Boxing...having said that, I don't feel he will.(my opinion)

Well what's your opinion as why Wlad lost to Purrity?

Well what's your opinion as why Wlad lost to Purrity?

I would have to watch it again to give an honest answer. My memory tells me Wlad tired late? But I'm not clear on that fight. Please don't bring me into the middle of the Wlad arguments. I gave my opinion on him. Some was positive, some negative. Let me leave it at that. This topic has been argued back and forth for years it seems. Every angle has been covered. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens

Since you have a better memory of the fight, what did happen in the Puritty fight in your opinion?

I would have to watch it again to give an honest answer. My memory tells me Wlad tired late? But I'm not clear on that fight. Please don't bring me into the middle of the Wlad arguments. I gave my opinion on him. Some was positive, some negative. Let me leave it at that. This topic has been argued back and forth for years it seems. Every angle has been covered. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens

Since you have a better memory of the fight, what did happen in the Puritty fight in your opinion?

First of all Purrity has a rock solid chin. It Wlad's first fight in Ukraine and it looked like he was trying to be overimpressive for the hometown crowd. Wlad used to fight with a lot more movement as he was bouncing around the ring and such. Purrity didn't start tagging him with power shots until the 5th round. Time and time again he wasted a lot of energy trying to put Purrity by throwing 4 and 5 punch combos. Wlad started eating a lot of punches by the time the 10th round came around. He goes down one time though it wasnt from a punch. He was retreating along the ropes and he fell when the ropes came to an end at a corner. Finally during one of Purrity's barages Wlad's corner jumps in the ring and stops the fight. And Purrity has good power too, which is strange as to why Wlad never went down from a punch. Though I haven't seen the 9th round so I don't know what happened during that round.

First of all Purrity has a rock solid chin. It Wlad's first fight in Ukraine and it looked like he was trying to be overimpressive for the hometown crowd. Wlad used to fight with a lot more movement as he was bouncing around the ring and such. Purrity didn't start tagging him with power shots until the 5th round. Time and time again he wasted a lot of energy trying to put Purrity by throwing 4 and 5 punch combos. Wlad started eating a lot of punches by the time the 10th round came around. He goes down one time though it wasnt from a punch. He was retreating along the ropes and he fell when the ropes came to an end at a corner. Finally during one of Purrity's barages Wlad's corner jumps in the ring and stops the fight. And Purrity has good power too, which is strange as to why Wlad never went down from a punch. Though I haven't seen the 9th round so I don't know what happened during that round.

thanks for the rundown..I'll try and get a copy.

Well what's your opinion as why Wlad lost to Purrity?

He lost to Purrity because he was exhausted. He had fought about 22 fights in the course of 24 months!

He lost to Purrity because he was exhausted. He had fought about 22 fights in the course of 24 months!

About 22 fights in 24 monts = 25 fights in a little less than 25 months.

So is that why he lost to Lamon Brewster?

So is that why he lost to Lamon Brewster?

Shouldn't you be watching a Kung Fu movie or something?

About 22 fights in 24 monts = 25 fights in a little less than 25 months.

I nominated you in the lounge for funniest member of the week for your constant excuses for your buddy Wlad. You crack me up with this crap.

I nominated you in the lounge for funniest member of the week for your constant excuses for your buddy Wlad. You crack me up with this crap.

me too

hes just like that one guy who said Wlad was drugged vs Sanders

reality seems to be hard concept for these people

I nominated you in the lounge for funniest member of the week for your constant excuses for your buddy Wlad. You crack me up with this crap.

So let me get this straight now I am not allowed to correct other peoples posts.

So let me get this straight now I am not allowed to correct other peoples posts.


This came out of left field. where did you get that impression from my post you quoted?

This came out of left field. where did you get that impression from my post you quoted?

Someone offered that as an excuse and then I corrected their excuse. Then you said that it was my excuse. Is it really that difficult?